Pro Rider reaction to Ricco news

[Ryaguas]

WTF? Excuse me, but I think you will find that it was CN that chose to include Cav's comments about anal rape in the video that CN released. It would seem hypocritical to then complain when people comment about it.

Anyway, I thought his comment was gold.

+1

but I have to add that Susan always follow that line... at least She and CN staff is constant with that hypocrisy tho...

anyway... ManxMan... no no no... man you hit it out of the park...

 

[fatandfast]

Funny how the CN 'interview' with Frodo, Aldag and Kelly fails to mention that 2 of the three are convicted dopers. One of whom nearly killed himself on EPO. Maybe they could have asked Kelly about that time the whole PDM team went down with 'food poisoning'.

Aldag - a self confessed doper who continues to employ dopers like Zabel and work with a doper like Holm. And some how we are supposed to take his condemnation seriously???

As for Frodo - the poster boy for ODing on HGH and roid rage ought to stfu and hope that HTC have kept upto date with their payments to the UCI.

I agree with you. And I think that hrotha post reflects the need for separation of the the opinion of CN and the person being interviewed. For the immediate future of cycling Cav's opinion will be some kind of benchmark because he has sidestepped any major scandal. His moral compass is a little slow to work , it took him a year to say sorry for crashing his fellow competitors. Cav also has put in the review mirror his association w T-mobile who drugged alumni are some of the most fabled in the sport. PDM..Breukink, Rooks,Theunisse, Delgado..were all eating there body weight in dope..and the team chef was sprinkling Intralipid on all of Kelly's meals.

 

[Boardslide]

Isn't the animosity aimed at Ricco more because he is a massive, massive tw*t than just because he doped? I always thought that was Cav's opinion, at least.

+1 The animosity between these two goes back as far as the 2008 TDF and Cav hasn't been slow in voicing his opinions in the past concerning Ricco so why should he change now. If the comments were that offensive to CN then they should have edited them first before putting them up or is it another case of the media lighting the touch paper and see how far it goes.

 

[NashbarShorts]

Quite frankly, you're setting up one strawman after another. The article never once says Riccò was the only problem or that Pozzato and Armstrong aren't the problem. In fact, its point is the complete opposite, and it alludes to Armstrong quite clearly. You're imagining things because you don't think CN can do right.

Just sayin', Ricco is a husband and father and right now he's laying in hospital hoping his kidneys don't fail. Why the need to call him stupid and suggest he's a low-IQ loser??

The only thing that sets Ricco apart is the fact that he couldn't afford an Allen Lim to oversee his transfusions. The only thing that sets Ricco apart is he couldn't afford a dedicated mini-fridge and an assistant to keep an eye on the temperature.

Why doesnt' CN lament this fact? Ricco is not the disease, he is simply one of the casualties. If he had died, would he be lauded as "tragedy", or would CN still be slinging the "stoopid" moniker around?

To suggest the sport would be "healthier" if one rider went away is RIDICULOUS. Beyond hypocrisy.

 

[kurtinsc]

I don't believe i was being insulting, i was trying to draw a parallel to illustrate what i consider barbaric thinking
You mention they were merely celebrating his absence

However the fact remains that as these people were celebrating the man was ill in a hospital. I mentioned that he is a human being and has family who care about him . If nothing else i would think about someone's family and loved ones and err on the side of discretion rather than the wholesale venting which we saw.

There is a difference between celebrating while someone is in the hospital, and celebrating BECAUSE he was in the hospital.

I'd wager most are celebrating because a person they dislike appears likely to be gone from the sport. The fact he was in a hospital bed while they were doing so was just a happenstance... not the cause of the celebration.

Some may have actually wished him harm... but I'd guess most just don't like him and are happy they wont' have to see him in the peloton again.

 

[dolophonic]

The point is its easy to kick a man when he's down.
These riders went saying much last week....
Shlecket did the same when he knew Conta was going down all of a sudden he cant stand him and runs his mouth....
If people are disgusted by systematic doping that is fair enough.
To slag off someone after the fact speaks volumes about the the ones giving it.

 

[NashbarShorts]

...As for Frodo - the poster boy for ODing on HGH and roid rage ought to stfu and hope that HTC have kept upto date with their payments to the UCI.

Frodo, HGH? Have not heard about this. I remember Cav signed some sort of "clean" pledge when he first signed w/ HighRoad.

Can you elaborate on this allegation? Thnx.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

There is a thread in this forum about his 'jaw' problems last year and the increase in the size of his mandible/head. Both are side-effects of HGH use.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=6209&highlight=dental

The pledge isn't worth the paper it is written on HTC are one of the dirtest teams out there - run by dopers and full of dopers.

 

[rhubroma]

As if making perverse statements like his would change the public perceptions of the sport.

All they do is reinforce how terrified they are at having it all come to a crashing end.

After reading the cyclists' opinions about a man in hospital, you'd think Ricco' was the Great Satan. The rest of the peleton, heavenly angles. The farce becomes even more absurd daily.

 

[NashbarShorts]

If Ricco is truly done w/ the sport now, the best thing he can do is tell-all, maybe get paid by Gazzetta or The Times to just spill everything. Certainly has nothing to lose, and it'd be a great way to tell all the Cavs and Pozzatos and Kellys and Aldags to go pound salt.

 

[hektoren]

WTF? Excuse me, but I think you will find that it was CN that chose to include Cav's comments about anal rape in the video that CN released. It would seem hypocritical to then complain when people comment about it.

Anyway, I thought his comment was gold.

Somehow I feel vindicated by CN's inclusion of Cav's comment of today. I am now the proud recipient of a warning from Francois the egg-on-his-face-man harking back to that fateful day when I suggested the proper punishment for his holy Lanceness:

"Dear hektoren,

You have received a warning at CyclingNews Forum.

Reason:
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Inappropriate Language

that's inappropriate language, bypassing the language filter, and wanting someone to get raped.

Not the sort of post we want to see here.

Francois"

In retrospect it kind of makes me wonder what filter Cav bypassed.....

 

[Benotti69]

i dont understand Cavenish making such a comment when his brother is in prison for dealing drugs. i can only put it down to ignorance, a lack of education and a bad upbringing. But empty vessels make the most noise.

well done to CN for asking the 3 their opinion on the other doping case that is current, Contador.

 

[Ryaguas]

Well balanced="his hematocrit is higher than his IQ?" Is that statment well balanced, a la Fox News?????

BTWWhy is CN interested in propping up Ricco? Could it be that their interviewer had done several pieces on Ricco and now looks like a fool for laughing with Ricco???
Maybe?

You cant make a serious point and jackass statements like that.

I think the opinion article makes quite plain that neither Ricco NOR THE INTERVIEWER understood who was laughing at whom at any point. Nor who would or SHOULD have the last laugh. Or maybe it was just the poor writing quality that leaves one confused.

Quiz TIme boys and girls!!

The interviewer was:

1. Enabling Ricco by laughing?
2. Encouraging Ricco to keep saying "stupid" things that he could put in the article at Ricco's expense?
3. Mouthpiece-puppet for an indefensible moron?
4. Exploiting Ricco's badboy image to gain a momentary readership for a failing website?
5. all of the above

Yup, the correct answer is:

5. all of the above.

Then when your interviewee gets trashed BY THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNOW WHAT THE SCORE IS, ie the riders, then we (and by we I mean the pathetic author of the op ed piece) takes the moral high ground and criticizes who? THE pro peloton riders-of all people?!?!-- for criticizing a multiple repeat doping offender.

Way to stay classy CN.

Right?

Maybe the part about how the pro peloton would be "healthier place for never having known" Ricco? (Yeah, 'cause one rider is ruining an otherwise clean sport....)

Maybe the part about how "no rider, no matter how stupid or morally bankrupt" has the right to "ruin" a TdF? (Right, b/c those 1999-2005 TdFs were squeaky clean gems... CN, wanna go on the record and call Mr. Armstrong "stoopid"??)

Maybe the part about how Ricco has "taken US for a ride yet again"? (Please. Cyclingnews has been only too happy to covering this festering cesspool of a sport and tell us its a rose garden. CN, you ain't "us".)

Cyclingnews, you now want to be seen taking the high road, lamenting "oh woe is me" about Sr. Ricco?
Yet on the same day, you give press to Pozzatto and his "concern" for the sport????

POZZATO IS THE JERKWAD WHO LED THE PELOTON'S JEERING OF SIMEONI AFTER HE WAS BROUGHT BACK BY THE KING DOPER HIMSELF.

Cyclingnews, its too late to play it "straight". Only the completely mentally challenged among your readership are blind enough to not see that you are 100% complicit in this sport's race to the bottom.

Totally agree...

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

It is appropriate to discuss whether or not Cavendish should have made such remarks.

It is inappropriate for forum members to advocate illegal acts, or to discuss who should be the victim of such acts.

Susan

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Funny how journalists are never willing to look at how they behave and act in all of this.

If we are talking about rider double standards it needs to be extended to media double standards.

Still I am sure that if you wait long enough they'll be an 'exclusive' interview with McQuaid along soon enough.

 

[hektoren]

It is appropriate to discuss whether or not Cavendish should have made such remarks.

It is inappropriate for forum members to advocate illegal acts, or to discuss who should be the victim of such acts.

Susan

Which doesn't answer the question whether it is appropriate for CN to act as a mouthpiece sans filtre for Cavendish's advocation of illegal acts. What is the difference, if any, in editorial responsibility towards propagation of said illegal acts on the front page as opposed to buried deep down in a thread on a forum.
Excuse me, but this isn't exactly crystal clear.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

How about CN asks some rape victim organizations what they think about Frodo's comments?

How about CN asks him if he thinks that is appropriate given his brother is in jail?

How about CN asks him if he thinks all dopers deserve to be raped - does he feel that it should happen to his mentor Erik Zabel, his DS Ralf Aldag or his GB team mate David Millar. Do they deserve to be raped too?

Why was the comment allowed to go unchallenged by CN?

 

[Anonymous]

1) Can't you see the other thread for this?

2) Why does that quote make him a legend?

Theres like a new thread everytime someone says anything round here recently.

 

[Ryaguas]

It is appropriate to discuss whether or not Cavendish should have made such remarks.

It is inappropriate for forum members to advocate illegal acts, or to discuss who should be the victim of such acts.

Susan

This must be a joke....

long way to go CN staff...

 

[Barrus]

Which doesn't answer the question whether it is appropriate for CN to act as a mouthpiece sans filtre for Cavendish's advocation of illegal acts. What is the difference, if any, in editorial responsibility towards propagation of said illegal acts on the front page as opposed to buried deep down in a thread on a forum.
Excuse me, but this isn't exactly crystal clear.

The cyclingnews main site does not necessarily need to have the same standards as the forum, there is a significant, almost complete, independence between the forum and the main site

 

[Anonymous]

How about CN asks some rape victim organizations what they think about Frodo's comments?

How about CN asks him if he thinks that is appropriate given his brother is in jail?

How about CN asks him if he thinks all dopers deserve to be raped - does he feel that it should happen to his mentor Erik Zabel, his DS Ralf Aldag or his GB team mate David Millar. Do they deserve to be raped too?

Why was the comment allowed to go unchallenged by CN?

Where on earth in that statement does cav say he would like to see Ricco sexually assaulted? You are reading far too much into things. ***** in that sense usually just means slave, or lackey. Again, maybe its a british phrase v american or european interpretation.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Where on earth in that statement does cav say he would like to see Ricco sexually assaulted? You are reading far too much into things. ***** in that sense usually just means slave, or lackey. Again, maybe its a british phrase v american or european interpretation.

No, it specifically implies sexual subordination especially in a prison context.

***** - female - implies an emasculated man, men in jail are emasculated through sexual subordination - primarily through rape. Did you never watch Oz?

He is not saying that he hopes Ricco spends his time in prison working as someone's lackey bringing him cups of tea and tidying their cell.

Even if Frodo did mean it in a benign sense - it was a very stupid thing to say precisely because of its ambiguity and the fact that it can easily be understood as hoping that Ricco is raped in jail.

re- too many topics - can this topic not be merged into rider reactions thread?

 

[palmerq]

You are reading far too much into things. ***** in that sense usually just means slave, or lackey.

I'm quite sure that's not what he means :S... but i think it is just an unfunny joke, so who cares :S..

 

[Anonymous]

No, it specifically implies sexual subordination especially in a prison context.

***** - female - suggests emasculation, men are emasculated through sexual subordination - primarily through rape. Did you never watch Oz?

He is not saying that he hopes Ricco spends his time in prison working as someone's lackey bringing him cups of tea and tidying their cell.

Even if Frodo did mean it in a benign sense - it was a very stupid thing to say precisely because of its ambiguity.

re- too many topics - can this topic not be merged into rider reactions thread?

The ***** system

A system that exists in most penitentiaries. *****es are weaker prisoners that belong to tougher prisoners. *****es must do whatever their master tells them to. In return, the *****'s master protects them from other prisoners.

it can mean a whole host of things. I think getting upset about sexual abuse is just one interpretation of the word. Being british, that is not actually the first thing that springs to my mind, and im assuming that is not what cav meant by it. All i would say is he needs to learn to shut up.

 

[sublimit]

Kind of funny to see the many Anti Cav threads and people wanting him hurt and thrown into the barriers etc etc.. now probably the same people getting uptight by a throwaway line about Ricco lol.. pathetic.