Pros & Cons of a Vegan Diet for Weight Loss & Cycling Performance?

[Granville57]

What was the time frame of the diet and ballpark foods consumed?

For me to achieve peak fitness—and this involves both strength training and endurance training—what has proven to be most effective is:

Breakfast: Eggs with cheese and veggies, all cooked in olive oil.

Snack: A wrap consisting of either almond or cashew butter, or hummus and veggies. Another option would be yogurt and fruit (or more specifically: Skyr, which is Icelandic yogurt. Low in sugars and higher in protein than most sugary yogurts).

Lunch: Chicken with veggies along with a very small amount of rice.
Or tuna fish also with some veggies.

Dinner: Chicken or steak with lots of veggies.

Most effective beverage: Water

Favorite supplements to all of the above: Dark chocolate (in moderation), and dried figs.

I would generally only consume pure carbs just prior to running or riding, and certainly during my rides.

Also, on such a diet, I can occasionally indulge in whatever I like with absolutely no detrimental effects or weight gain. Cheese burgers, beer and ice cream would sometimes precede some of my best training days. It's all about knowing what you can get away with and when, and that comes only through experience and trusting your body (and ignoring the advice of others).

More recently though, beans have become one my food staples, to great effect as well, while still leaning towards a low-carb/high-protein overall diet.

My personal stats:
Height = 6' (183cm)
Weight = 160 lbs (72 kg)
[This could get as low as 150 lbs (68 kg) depending on intake and training]

 

[durianrider]

Re:

What was the time frame of the diet and ballpark foods consumed?

For me to achieve peak fitness—and this involves both strength training and endurance training—what has proven to be most effective is:

Breakfast: Eggs with cheese and veggies, all cooked in olive oil.

Snack: A wrap consisting of either almond or cashew butter, or hummus and veggies. Another option would be yogurt and fruit (or more specifically: Skyr, which is Icelandic yogurt. Low in sugars and higher in protein than most sugary yogurts).

Lunch: Chicken with veggies along with a very small amount of rice.
Or tuna fish also with some veggies.

Dinner: Chicken or steak with lots of veggies.

Most effective beverage: Water

Favorite supplements to all of the above: Dark chocolate (in moderation), and dried figs.

I would generally only consume pure carbs just prior to running or riding, and certainly during my rides.

Also, on such a diet, I can occasionally indulge in whatever I like with absolutely no detrimental effects or weight gain. Cheese burgers, beer and ice cream would sometimes precede some of my best training days. It's all about knowing what you can get away with and when, and that comes only through experience and trusting your body (and ignoring the advice of others).

More recently though, beans have become one my food staples, to great effect as well, while still leaning towards a low-carb/high-protein overall diet.

My personal stats:
Height = 6' (183cm)
Weight = 160 lbs (72 kg)
[This could get as low as 150 lbs (68 kg) depending on intake and training]

Heck mate you must be CREEPING when you get on the bike due to chronic glucose exhaustion lol!

Have you had an angiogram recently?

If carbs are so bad how come ALL the worlds top athletes rely on them? Ive never heard of someone drinking olive oil instead of a sugar drink hehe.

I had a mate who did the atkins diet for about a week. His 20min power literally went from 380w down to 180 lol! and he STRUGGLED to hold that 180w. He almost punched me out I heckled him on the climb so much haha.

I don't understand your logic. You only eat certain yoghurts because they are low sugar but then you go eat high sugar ice cream during a binge?

That is like me claiming that riding with 20psi tires is the best but then I sneak in 100psi before the TT

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

What was the time frame of the diet and ballpark foods consumed?

For me to achieve peak fitness—and this involves both strength training and endurance training—what has proven to be most effective is:

Breakfast: Eggs with cheese and veggies, all cooked in olive oil.

Snack: A wrap consisting of either almond or cashew butter, or hummus and veggies. Another option would be yogurt and fruit (or more specifically: Skyr, which is Icelandic yogurt. Low in sugars and higher in protein than most sugary yogurts).

Lunch: Chicken with veggies along with a very small amount of rice.
Or tuna fish also with some veggies.

Dinner: Chicken or steak with lots of veggies.

Most effective beverage: Water

Favorite supplements to all of the above: Dark chocolate (in moderation), and dried figs.

I would generally only consume pure carbs just prior to running or riding, and certainly during my rides.

Also, on such a diet, I can occasionally indulge in whatever I like with absolutely no detrimental effects or weight gain. Cheese burgers, beer and ice cream would sometimes precede some of my best training days. It's all about knowing what you can get away with and when, and that comes only through experience and trusting your body (and ignoring the advice of others).

More recently though, beans have become one my food staples, to great effect as well, while still leaning towards a low-carb/high-protein overall diet.

My personal stats:
Height = 6' (183cm)
Weight = 160 lbs (72 kg)
[This could get as low as 150 lbs (68 kg) depending on intake and training]

Heck mate you must be CREEPING when you get on the bike due to chronic glucose exhaustion lol!

Have you had an angiogram recently?

If carbs are so bad how come ALL the worlds top athletes rely on them? Ive never heard of someone drinking olive oil instead of a sugar drink hehe.

"I had a mate who did the atkins diet for about a week. His 20min power literally went from 380w down to 180 lol! and he STRUGGLED to hold that 180w. He almost punched me out I heckled him on the climb so much haha."

I don't understand your logic. You only eat certain yoghurts because they are low sugar but then you go eat high sugar ice cream during a binge?

That is like me claiming that riding with 20psi tires is the best but then I sneak in 100psi before the TT

This is anecdotal of course, as is Granville's post. Everyone's body reacts differently to a certain diet.
For instance my body only works with a 100% steak diet.

Also, by definition a binge is a departure from your normal diet on a certain occasion. So, he might keep a low sugar diet, but then on occasion (key word) have some ice cream or a cheese burger...makes sense to me.

 

[durianrider]

Re: Pros & Cons of a Vegan Diet for Weight Loss & Cycling Pe

The reason for the binge is the body is glucose exhausted and then demands it get some sugars to restock glycogen.

If we look at how PED's work, the most common drugs used in cycling help the body store more glycogen or force more sugars into the cells.

Even EPO brings additional cardioprotection to the heart by enhanced phosphorylation of glycogen synthase kinase-3 beta.

To cut out or cut down the most IMPORTANT fuel for humans - sugar, is like taking air out of your tires as a cyclist or cutting chunks out of your rims to save weight or taking off your brake pads so your rims don't 'wear out'.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Pros & Cons of a Vegan Diet for Weight Loss & Cycling Pe

If we look at how PED's work, the most common drugs used in cycling help the body store more glycogen or force more sugars into the cells.

Sorry, what?

Even EPO brings additional cardioprotection to the heart by enhanced phosphorylation of glycogen synthase kinase-3 beta.

You realise this has nothing to do with glycogen don't you? And that googling EPO and glycogen and rewording the title from the article in the first hit is a very bad way to try and back up your claims?

 

[Granville57]

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Heck mate you must be CREEPING when you get on the bike due to chronic glucose exhaustion lol!

Actually, no. But thanks for asking.

If carbs are so bad how come ALL the worlds top athletes rely on them?

You mean Team Sky's notoriously low carb intake? This isn't the '80s anymore, dude. People have progressed.

However, where did I suggest that carbs are bad? Reading comprehension issues on your end, is that it?
I specifically mentioned the need and preference for carbs pre-ride, and during. Something difficult to understand about that? I just have no need for excessive carbs at any other time. In fact, excessive carb intake at any other time is actually detrimental to me. You see, I rely on carbs too. But only at specific times, as stated.

I had a mate who did the atkins diet for about a week.

Well, gee whiz. So which of you knows less about Atkins, you or him?
Atkins isn't something that you can "do for a week." Your blind ignorance on the topic is laughable. The Atkins program starts with a severely reduced carb intake for a period of usually 2 to 3 weeks. This is to compensate for the extremely high-carb diet that many people find themselves on, and have been unwittingly following for much of their lives (this goes back to the period before Atkins became spoken of in the mainstream, and many people were simply unaware of their own carb intake, or how it might affect them for good or bad).

After that initial phase, carbs are then methodically reintroduced to one's diet, with a new-found awareness of the affects they can have. This requires at least a few weeks to determine how much, or how littles is necessary. I'm sorry if you and your friend have too little patience for some things, but this is just how it works. Suggesting that one could "do Atkins in a week" and then draw conclusions from the failed attempt, would be akin to some saying, "I tried running for a week, but it made my legs sore, so I quit. It obviously has no benefit."

I don't understand your logic. You only eat certain yoghurts because they are low sugar but then you go eat high sugar ice cream during a binge?

You fail to understand many things, mostly due to your willful ignorance on the topic of nutrition. First of all, the term "binge" is all yours. I eat low sugar yogurts to reduce my daily carb intake, because doing so is beneficial to me. That point that I was making, and that you chose to ignore, was that when maintaing a low-carb diet on a regular basis, and achieving my desired race weight, I can then, on occasion, indulge in whatever the hell I like, and not suffer any unwanted weight gain. I might do this only once or month or so, or maybe twice in one week, or maybe only once every four months! But as long as return to my low-carb routine, and adhere to it with some diligence, then I am none the worse for my pleasant indulgence. And by sticking to my low carb routine, I never have those irresistible cravings for carbs. My choices become more about my wants and simple pleasures, as opposed to any perceived needs that are typically associated with craving and/or food addictions. But I realize that this might be a complex issue for you to understand.

The reason for the binge is the body is glucose exhausted and then demands it get some sugars to restock glycogen.

LOL

In my case, the "reason for the binge" has nothing whatsoever to do with glucose exhaustion. It has everything to do with the fact that I really do enjoy a good burger (with bacon!), some craft beer, and quality ice cream. See that? Science!

 

[ray j willings]

Yesterday I ate 4 cheese burgar's [low fat lean meat], Jacket potatoe's with beans a thick crust pizza [ medium] and 3 penguin chocolate bars. I had a brilliant ride today. Loads of energy felt really great. I obviously don't eat like that all the time. I tend to eat jacket potatoes a lot, you have to eat . The burgars had big white bread buns and loads of vegis in them so they were about as healthy a burgar as you could get " I know vegis/vegans "
Its not my usual daily food intake, that's usually more potatoes chocolate biscuits/bars ice cream/choc ices, diet caffine free pepsi , battered fish cod "love it" southern fried chicken portions "tasty" I drink plenty of water and make sure I get the potatoes and beans for the carbs. Its a crap diet but I'm not fat have loads of energy and don't count my calories. I can do sh5t loads of pull ups/chin ups and bench 200lbs every other day 3/5 sets of 10 reps and do other body parts has and when . I would go heavier with the weights but I don't have any more weight in the house to add works for me . The only supplement is B12.
No carbs= no fuel =no energy. Simple.

 

[Night Rider]

I have possibly had the odd argument with DR about eating meat and that not all meat eaters are fat bastards but this yesterday was completely over the top by this lunatic loser Anthony Colpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCasLsyJ6c

These two have had a long running war about veganism and whatever it is that Colpo promotes (mainly BS). Colpo turns up mid everesting attempt by DR and punches him out as he's climbing 12% gradient ...... WTF!!

Hope bike not too badly damaged.

FWIW Anthony Colpo was also a cyclist at some point, albeit a fat slow one.

 

[King Boonen]

That's utterly disgraceful, hope DR and his bike are both ok.

 

[ray j willings]

If you see DR latest vid he explains what happens. That guy AC looks like he his on full steroid rage to me and challenging DR to a fight in a ring.
That's crazy and proves nothing. Its so stupid to take things that far. I know DR comes across to some people like he's arrogant etc but I just see someone telling it like it is. I think he's very informative and makes a lot of sense. I'm not a vegan but what DR promotes is nothing but good. I would go Vegan but I do like a burgar/chicken. I do however make sure I eat plenty of carbs which just makes a lot of sense.
Fuel the body. Simple.
Keep it rocking DR .

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Still more evidence humans are designed to be omnivores.

Long term vegetarian diet changes human DNA raising risk of cancer and heart disease

Populations who have had a primarily vegetarian diet for generations carried a genetic mutation which raised risk of cancer and heart disease

...Populations who have had a primarily vegetarian diet for generations were found to be far more likely to carry DNA which makes them susceptible to inflammation.

Scientists in the US believe that the mutation occured to make it easier for vegetarians to absorb essential fatty acids from plants.

But it has the knock-on effect of boosting the production of arachidonic acid, which is known to increase inflammatory disease and cancer. When coupled with a diet high in vegetable oils - such as sunflower oil - the mutated gene quickly turns fatty acids into dangerous arachidonic acid....

...“In such individuals, vegetable oils will be converted to the more pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid, increasing the risk for chronic inflammation that is implicated in the development of heart disease, and exacerbates cancer...."

...However other research suggests vegetarianism lowers the risk of diabetes, stroke and obesity....

Because no one who subsists on bean sprouts and sawdust has a hearty appetite.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Because no one who subsists on bean sprouts and sawdust has a hearty appetite.

Baked beans, falafel, jacket potatoes, hummus, vegetable pizza, chocolate, mushroom risottos, vegetable spring rolls, Olivier salad, vegetable curry, corn and chickpea burgers... The list of foods on the vegetarian menu is long and delicious.

 

[Elagabalus]

Re:

I have possibly had the odd argument with DR about eating meat and that not all meat eaters are fat bastards but this yesterday was completely over the top by this lunatic loser Anthony Colpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCasLsyJ6c

These two have had a long running war about veganism and whatever it is that Colpo promotes (mainly BS). Colpo turns up mid everesting attempt by DR and punches him out as he's climbing 12% gradient ...... WTF!!

Hope bike not too badly damaged.

FWIW Anthony Colpo was also a cyclist at some point, albeit a fat slow one.

Uh,,, OK. I'll just put this here:

http://anthonycolpo.com/the-ugly-truth-about-harley-durianrider-johnstone/

And note that in the video that the alleged dog is actually still attached to its leash.

In two videos DR claims to have footage of the actual sucker punch but has not shown it.

Just saying.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

I have possibly had the odd argument with DR about eating meat and that not all meat eaters are fat bastards but this yesterday was completely over the top by this lunatic loser Anthony Colpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCasLsyJ6c

These two have had a long running war about veganism and whatever it is that Colpo promotes (mainly BS). Colpo turns up mid everesting attempt by DR and punches him out as he's climbing 12% gradient ...... WTF!!

Hope bike not too badly damaged.

FWIW Anthony Colpo was also a cyclist at some point, albeit a fat slow one.

Uh,,, OK. I'll just put this here:

http://anthonycolpo.com/the-ugly-truth-about-harley-durianrider-johnstone/

And note that in the video that the alleged dog is actually still attached to its leash.

In two videos DR claims to have footage of the actual sucker punch but has not shown it.

Just saying.

Both are douches, but Colpo is just a garden variety alpha male bogan, Johnstone is an outright creep who has been slandering and provoking Colpo and others for years. He's fabricated stories much worse than a sucker punch on a hill.

For more Google thirty bananas a day sux. The forum has closed, but there's still hundreds of disaster stories and slander cases.

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

I have possibly had the odd argument with DR about eating meat and that not all meat eaters are fat bastards but this yesterday was completely over the top by this lunatic loser Anthony Colpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCasLsyJ6c

These two have had a long running war about veganism and whatever it is that Colpo promotes (mainly BS). Colpo turns up mid everesting attempt by DR and punches him out as he's climbing 12% gradient ...... WTF!!

Hope bike not too badly damaged.

FWIW Anthony Colpo was also a cyclist at some point, albeit a fat slow one.

Uh,,, OK. I'll just put this here:

http://anthonycolpo.com/the-ugly-truth-about-harley-durianrider-johnstone/

And note that in the video that the alleged dog is actually still attached to its leash.

In two videos DR claims to have footage of the actual sucker punch but has not shown it.

Just saying.

Both are douches, but Colpo is just a garden variety alpha male bogan, Johnstone is an outright creep who has been slandering and provoking Colpo and others for years. He's fabricated stories much worse than a sucker punch on a hill.

For more Google thirty bananas a day sux. The forum has closed, but there's still hundreds of disaster stories and slander cases.

My thoughts exactly. I've called out DR so many times on his BS. He is an insult to the vegan community.

 

[Elagabalus]

Re: Re:

I have possibly had the odd argument with DR about eating meat and that not all meat eaters are fat bastards but this yesterday was completely over the top by this lunatic loser Anthony Colpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCasLsyJ6c

These two have had a long running war about veganism and whatever it is that Colpo promotes (mainly BS). Colpo turns up mid everesting attempt by DR and punches him out as he's climbing 12% gradient ...... WTF!!

Hope bike not too badly damaged.

FWIW Anthony Colpo was also a cyclist at some point, albeit a fat slow one.

Uh,,, OK. I'll just put this here:

http://anthonycolpo.com/the-ugly-truth-about-harley-durianrider-johnstone/

And note that in the video that the alleged dog is actually still attached to its leash.

In two videos DR claims to have footage of the actual sucker punch but has not shown it.

Just saying.

Both are douches, but Colpo is just a garden variety alpha male bogan, Johnstone is an outright creep who has been slandering and provoking Colpo and others for years. He's fabricated stories much worse than a sucker punch on a hill.

For more Google thirty bananas a day sux. The forum has closed, but there's still hundreds of disaster stories and slander cases.

Ah, memories ...


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[King Boonen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Neither veganism nor full-blown omnivorism are optimal diets. The best (and healthiest) is a diet with vegetables, grains, dairy products, eggs and fish, but no livestock or poultry in it.

Processed meat, on the other hand, is way too unhealthy, and even people who otherwise consume meat should eliminate it from their diet.

 

[Robert5091]

https://animalliberationpressoffice...nterview-with-olympic-medalist-dotsie-bausch/
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