Pulling a Wiggins

[Random Direction]

I can only speak from my own situation but if i said to my missuss, im gonna spend 6 months away from you and the kids to chase my dream. she might ............... might say ok. If i then went back and said i want another year, she would tell me to **** right off. Facts of life

Unless your career and pay check depended on it. If I married an airplane pilot or army officer she would be away for extended periods. Fact of life.

Marry a pro cyclist and there is an uderstanding he'll be away 1/2 the time, have an extra refrigerator and need regular subcutaepus injections of cold pressed olive oil.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I pretty much agree. Alls i can say is i understand the strain that challenging for a GT puts not only on a person but also his family. Its easy for us to condem him from the start but appreciate what goes on behind the scenes.

Travel is a part of the job. Some jobs require lots of travel, more than a pro cyclist's schedule and make much more money. If SO's don't accept lengthy times apart as part of the deal of being in a relationship with them, then that relationship is doomed. They tend to enjoy the privileges, less urgent lifestlyle that come with a highly valued SO though.

 

[ToreBear]

He was also sick this spring, right? I mean his 2013 P-R result was no different from his 2012 one.

I don't think he was still sick, more like, still not rehabilitated. Also he had a lot of bad luck at PR, so his results will look worse than his performance.

He didn't seem to show Hushovd level until the nationals in June.

 

[sniper]

Yeh you're right, which is why my armchair psychology tells me he's not the personality type for it. I know for me physically even if I could do it I would struggle with the mental load. That's why I think Froome will go on for years more, he doesn't let anything get to him.

hm. judging by the reactions from his girlfriend, he didn'T seem unafected by the quibbles with wiggo.

and the press haven't yet made his life really difficult, have they.
a guy like walsh with his head so deep up froome's behind he can't see straight anymore.
wonder what will happen as soon as froome gets a bit of a headwind from the press, journos picking apart his badzilla-tale, for instance, etc.
time for a guy like daniel benson to do a benson on froome.

 

[EnacheV]

time for a guy like daniel benson to do a benson on froome.

hard for him to find any list to wonder if froome is on it

but if froome hangs on him a couple of times im sure he will find one

 

[del1962]

hm. judging by the reactions from his girlfriend, he didn'T seem unafected by the quibbles with wiggo.

and the press haven't yet made his life really difficult, have they.
a guy like walsh with his head so deep up froome's behind he can't see straight anymore.
wonder what will happen as soon as froome gets a bit of a headwind from the press, journos picking apart his badzilla-tale, for instance, etc.
time for a guy like daniel benson to do a benson on froome.

Really, I would have thought his stoic reaction to the treatment from some of the Irish Corner fans shows that he is not going to be put off by ignoramus ppl.

 

[sniper]

hard for him to find any list to wonder if froome is on it

but if froome hangs on him a couple of times im sure he will find one

the contradictions in froome's badzilla-tale would be a good point of departure for benson.
geert leinders offers another opening for benson to actually do his job, though brailsford would be a better target than froome in this case.

Really, I would have thought his stoic reaction to the treatment from some of the Irish Corner fans shows that he is not going to be put off by ignoramus ppl.

true, he doesn't seem to be easily put off. but then the heat hasn't really been on him yet.
contador also looked very balanced, not easily put off.
until 2010.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I can only speak from my own situation but if i said to my missuss, im gonna spend 6 months away from you and the kids to chase my dream. she might ............... might say ok. If i then went back and said i want another year, she would tell me to **** right off. Facts of life

Projecting is very natural and occurs often, but in this instance is way off the mark.

If you were a pro, your wife would have met you either overseas, or in between long durations of absence as you raced at your place of work.

If your wife was now a joint millionaire, I am pretty sure you would not have much trouble convincing her that every 6 month stint you take for the next few years adds another mill to the account. Unless those performances involved risky business that could get you caught and back on the "looking for money down the back of the couch".

 

[sniper]

^this obviously.

 

[The Hitch]

Really, I would have thought his stoic reaction to the treatment from some of the Irish Corner fans shows that he is not going to be put off by ignoramus ppl.

Exactly which bit of suspecting the cleanliness of a bottle carrier overnight turned tour De France winner who puts out performances that historically have only been achieved through massive doping, do you consider ignorant?

 

[Benotti69]

Really, I would have thought his stoic reaction to the treatment from some of the Irish Corner fans shows that he is not going to be put off by ignoramus ppl.

Really, ignorant people who, it would appear, saw another doped up rider on the TdF! I mean what are the chances that fans (whatever their nationality) would recognise this when they see it, they have only been watching it forever.

You must have felt disgusted by Wiggins ignorant rants about doping doctors on teams and the real heroes of the TdF being in the gruppetto.

 

[martinvickers]

Projecting is very natural and occurs often, but in this instance is way off the mark.

If you were a pro, your wife would have met you either overseas, or in between long durations of absence as you raced at your place of work.

If your wife was now a joint millionaire, I am pretty sure you would not have much trouble convincing her that every 6 month stint you take for the next few years adds another mill to the account. Unless those performances involved risky business that could get you caught and back on the "looking for money down the back of the couch".

Except Kath Wiggins met Brad while both were cycling on the home tracks, and much of their relationship was with Brad week after week on the Manchester velodrome before heading off back up the road to the village. In other words, your scenario, while clearly very common, did not actually apply to them anything like as much as 'typical' road pro's.

So now (2009-20012) her former happy, relatively well known but relatively poor tracky is off all the time, thinks he's a rockstar and a millionaire several times over, most likely (I read a net worth of 5mil somewhere, but could be wrong on that) and having aclimatised to that, now clearly eclipsed by another rider for whom, and for whom's partner, you don't have much time. Hell, I even remember in that 'year in yellow' crap here saying she preferred track anyway (hardly a shock when it was what she rode).

Now, if you'd made the point about Cound, you'd have been 110% right. but the Wiggins' have, I would suggest, an unusual history in that limited sense.

I don't think she initially 'signed on' for the 'life', and now they're loaded, I can imagine she's not the most driven to keep it going. Cound, clearly, absolutely is. Maybe that's part of their mutual problem. I don't think wiggins and Froome get on, or ever really have, but I don't really think they really hate each other either. but I think that's as nothing compared to the womenfolk. I'd say getting between them in a fight would be a good way to lose your nuts in a hurry.

Bear in mind Wiggo's 'national treasure' status - he won't starve even just doing the Redgrave /Hoy motivation speech/corporate circuit, never mind the Fred Perry tie in.

 

[martinvickers]

Exactly which bit of suspecting the cleanliness of a bottle carrier overnight turned tour De France winner who puts out performances that historically have only been achieved through massive doping, do you consider ignorant?

the bit where somone tries to spray something in your mouth as you ride strikes me as fairly impolite, for example.

 

[sniper]

the bit where somone tries to spray something in your mouth as you ride strikes me as fairly impolite, for example.

was anybody denying this?
i think hitch and benotti just nicely exposed how fanboyship hinders del1962's clear-mindedness.

 

[Benotti69]

the bit where somone tries to spray something in your mouth as you ride strikes me as fairly impolite, for example.

I imagine wiggo loves his 'water sports' Why do you think Sky hired Kerrison?

 

[del1962]

Really, ignorant people who, it would appear, saw another doped up rider on the TdF! I mean what are the chances that fans (whatever their nationality) would recognise this when they see it, they have only been watching it forever.

You must have felt disgusted by Wiggins ignorant rants about doping doctors on teams and the real heroes of the TdF being in the gruppetto.

I think ppl who booed Sky and generally showed the loutish behavoir like those at Irish corner are ignorant, they did not boo teams with a track record of cheating like Astana or RadioShackl or Riis lead teams, if you or the Hitch have a problem with my view on this, f*** off and put me on ignore, because I don't want the ruile of the mob

 

[del1962]

was anybody denying this?
i think hitch and benotti just nicely exposed how fanboyship hinders del1962's clear-mindedness.

oh another ignoramus who thinks its ok to spray liquid into rider's mouths.

 

[sniper]

I think ppl who booed Sky and generally showed the loutish behavoir like those at Irish corner are ignorant, they did not boo teams with a track record of cheating like Astana or RadioShackl or Riis lead teams, if you or the Hitch have a problem with my view on this, f*** off and put me on ignore, because I don't want the ruile of the mob

the lance chronicles created ideal chances for cycling to start with a clean sheet.

along came Sky.

i think many who dislike Sky, do so because they see Sky as main responsibles for reigniting the PED arms race.

 

[del1962]

the lance chronicles created ideal chances for cycling to start with a clean sheet.

along came Sky.

i think many who dislike Sky, do so because they see Sky as main responsibles for reigniting the PED arms race.

Though you have no evidence for this, but are quite happy to stick up for ignorant hooligans.

 

[sniper]

Though you have no evidence for this, but are quite happy to stick up for ignorant hooligans.

i'm not talking evidence.
you wondered why certain fans pick on sky more than on other teams.
i gave you a possible answer.

 

[The Hitch]

wonder what will happen as soon as froome gets a bit of a headwind from the press, journos picking apart his badzilla-tale, for instance, etc.
time for a guy like daniel benson to do a benson on froome.

Really, I would have thought his stoic reaction to the treatment from some of the Irish Corner fans shows that he is not going to be put off by ignoramus ppl.

Sniper wonders whether Froome would withstand the pressure of journalists picking at his story.

You say the irish corner episode proves that "he is not going to be put off by ignoramus ppl"

So the "ignoramus" part of your sentence refers to people who ask Froome questions as much as it does to the irish corner fans.

So, nice try with the "omg you are rationalizing attacks on riders" strawman. But anyone with even a basic understanding of the English language can see that that is not what I was doing.

So I ask again. Since you clearly did refer to people sceptical of Froome as "ignoramus ppl"

Exactly which bit of suspecting the cleanliness of a bottle carrier overnight turned tour De France winner who puts out performances that historically have only been achieved through massive doping, do you consider ignorant?

 

[The Hitch]

the bit where somone tries to spray something in your mouth as you ride strikes me as fairly impolite, for example.

When did Daniel Benson or any other journalist do that?

 

[armchairclimber]

If Sean Yates reckons that Froome is likely to be unstoppable for the next few years, he ain't going to be pulling a Wiggins any time soon....to get this back on topic.

 

[EnacheV]

So I ask again. Since you clearly did refer to people sceptical of Froome as "ignoramus ppl"

dude everyone is a bottle carrier at start

for some last less time than others, for various reasons

this ****ty argument is laughable

 

[Armchaircyclist]

After juicing his performance to levels unseen in his career, Wiggins now cannot be bothered to ever try for a grand tour again. Convenient. Hesjedal was pretty much a joke this season. Even Contador does not seem willing to risk much. Is this the new strategy for doping: Dope yourself to the moon then coast on the results?

Who is next?

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Wiggins was physically probably the strongest rider in the giro. However the dope didn't make him a good descender. I think he'll try again, no matter what he says.

But Your theory seems very plausible, why risk more than what gets you a fat paycheck ?