Pulling a Wiggins

[ray j willings]

I remember reading an article about Basso. Who went for a training ride 4-6 hours and just took a water bottle. I started doing the same thing 2-3 hour rides and it worked fine, just water. You get used to it. I am sure though that some energy foods would help if exertion is strenuous. I personally find to much food makes me feel sluggish... a couple of friends I do the odd 2-3 hour ride always hit the gels around an hour or so. I don't. I can drop them quite comfortably in the last hour.

I do like to have some beans on toast in the morning but have gone out without breakfast and not really found much difference.

I'm sure PEDs help as well

 

[red_flanders]

summary in English:

source: http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=412.0

The clinic just got interesting again.

 

[ray j willings]

http://www.velonation.com/news/id/11395/doping-aicar-telmisartan-and-the-need-for-vigilance.aspx

 

[DirtyWorks]

The clinic just got interesting again.

Look at the date. Not new.

The EPO variations are well documented. The other drugs have some positives except telemastarin. Naturally, they are all lower-level positives because elites don't dope.

 

[sniper]

Look at the date. Not new.

The EPO variations are well documented. The other drugs have some positives except telemastarin. Naturally, they are all lower-level positives because elites don't dope.

indeed it's been discussed before.
for the record: have there been AICAR positives? Not that I know of.

I think Nigel Mitchell is an interesting person.
Relatively unknown, but credited with slimming down British Cycling, Garmin (2009) and Team Sky (2012 and 13(?)).
He also promotes gluten free BS on some websites.

 

[sniper]

I think Nigel Mitchell is an interesting person.
Relatively unknown, but credited with slimming down British Cycling, Garmin (2009) and Team Sky (2012 and 13(?)).
He also promotes gluten free BS on some websites.

not sure about Garmin, but in any case Wiggins (2009) and many others from BC and Sky

http://www.americanpistachios.org/power-of-pistachios/nigel-mitchell

One of the most respected experts in the practical application of sports nutrition, has been supporting the nutrition goals of elite athletes for twenty years. Among his roster of clients is Mark Cavendish, whom Nigel has coached since the 28-year old cycling star was just 17. Nigel is the head of nutritional services for British Cycling and the British Professional Cycling Team ?Sky Pro Cycling?. In 2012 he provided nutritional support for the historical Bradley Wiggins Tour de France Win and for British Cycling at the 2012 London Olympiad. His role involves leading and providing specialist nutritional services to a variety of world class athletes and sportspeople.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes, total BS. Cyclists stopped eating mass carbs for breakfast in the late 80's.

Fette biscottate e marmellata, good to go! oh and an espresso.

my point was that there are hardly any carbs in eggs compared to the other food mentioned anyway.

 

[wrinklyvet]

indeed it's been discussed before.
for the record: have there been AICAR positives? Not that I know of.

I think Nigel Mitchell is an interesting person.
Relatively unknown, but credited with slimming down British Cycling, Garmin (2009) and Team Sky (2012 and 13(?)).
He also promotes gluten free BS on some websites.

He answered this question:

@DonalCoakley asked: ?How did Bradley Wiggins lose 5kg between Paris Roubaix and Tour of California?

Nigel answered: "Good quality protein and strict dieting. small portions and low GI"

http://blog.gnc.co.uk/2014/07/01/cy...ith-nigel-mitchell-team-sky-cnp-nutritionist/

 

[thehog]

my point was that there are hardly any carbs in eggs compared to the other food mentioned anyway.

Yes, one would not eat an omelette for carbs unless it was a pasta infused omelette

But agree, Brailsford and Sky just saying whatever comes to mind.

 

[Benotti69]

He answered this question:

@DonalCoakley asked: ?How did Bradley Wiggins lose 5kg between Paris Roubaix and Tour of California?

Nigel answered: "Good quality protein and strict dieting. small portions and low GI"

http://blog.gnc.co.uk/2014/07/01/cy...ith-nigel-mitchell-team-sky-cnp-nutritionist/

Professional athletes cant lose 5kg of weight and maintain power in such a short time.

 

[Freddythefrog]

He answered this question:

@DonalCoakley asked: ?How did Bradley Wiggins lose 5kg between Paris Roubaix and Tour of California?

Nigel answered: "Good quality protein and strict dieting. small portions and low GI"

http://blog.gnc.co.uk/2014/07/01/cy...ith-nigel-mitchell-team-sky-cnp-nutritionist/

Now now Benotti, Wrinkly believes.

All that time Brad spent in the boozer - those wilderness years - he could have been 7kg lighter, had better endurance and insect-man Froome could have been out TT ing Sparticus for years, if only they had just gone to a decent diet in the beginning. Simples.

It is purely a nasty coincidence that yet another undetectable drug comes on the scene at the time he finds what foods agree with him and that undetectable drug, just happens to make you lose weight and yet be able to pull for an extra 42% longer.

Lance never tested positive. I believe in Lance. Where is my yellow band, I will sneak out of the house early tomorrow for my Sunday ride and I will wear it. It will be like the old times.

 

[sniper]

Now now Benotti, Wrinkly believes.

All that time Brad spent in the boozer - those wilderness years - he could have been 7kg lighter, had better endurance and insect-man Froome could have been out TT ing Sparticus for years, if only they had just gone to a decent diet in the beginning. Simples.

It is purely a nasty coincidence that yet another undetectable drug comes on the scene at the time he finds what foods agree with him and that undetectable drug, just happens to make you lose weight and yet be able to pull for an extra 42% longer.

Lance never tested positive. I believe in Lance. Where is my yellow band, I will sneak out of the house early tomorrow for my Sunday ride and I will wear it. It will be like the old times.

Seems Mitchell got his nutritional skills onto a whole new level in 2009.
He'd previously been guiding Wiggins for years prior to 2009.
This is him about Wiggins in 2006:

?We aim to get Bradley to the Tour very lean, around 75 to 76kg. The goal is to come out of the Tour at roughly the same weight he went in. If he comes out only a kilo lighter, that?d be a good job.?

clearly AICAR wasn't around yet:

?Cyclists can get obsessive about bodyweight, but if you lose too much weight you can sacrifice power.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/nutrition/six-golden-rules-of-nutrition-74553

 

[TailWindHome]

Seems Mitchell got his nutritional skills onto a whole new level in 2009.
He'd previously been guiding Wiggins for years prior to 2009.
This is him about Wiggins in 2006:


clearly AICAR wasn't around yet:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/nutrition/six-golden-rules-of-nutrition-74553

Fairer to give the full quote, no?

?Cyclists can get obsessive about bodyweight, but if you lose too much weight you can sacrifice power. Sometimes we have to work with a rider and do something extreme to lose weight, but it?s always done in a controlled and measured way. Radical weight loss should be avoided Unless you have proper guidance.?

 

[sniper]

Meet Mr. Nigel Mitchell.
'Visting lecturer' at the university of Portsmouth but I seriously doubt he ever finished high-school.
http://www.port.ac.uk/department-of-sport-and-exercise-science/staff/mr-nigel-mitchell.html
That bio of his comes a few inches short of saying he specializes in the purchase and administration of state of the art doping products.

 

[thehog]

every single thing they tell us about diet has been known for decades upon decades in bodybuilding or any other sport for that matter.
Training on an empty stomach, less carbs, more protein, etc etc.....no sugar...who'd have thought

Agreed. Bodybuilders are always the first. They actually don't mind talking about the drugs they take and the results. No pretending going on in that scene! Protein shakes not!

The zero eating, low carb 7 hour training rides work really well on AICAR and low dose amphetamine.

 

[red_flanders]

Yes, total BS. Cyclists stopped eating mass carbs for breakfast in the late 80's.

Fette biscottate e marmellata, good to go! oh and an espresso.

Late 70s from my recollection. I'm sure before as well. Absurdity.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Meet Mr. Nigel Mitchell.
'Visting lecturer' at the university of Portsmouth but I seriously doubt he ever finished high-school.
http://www.port.ac.uk/department-of-sport-and-exercise-science/staff/mr-nigel-mitchell.html
That bio of his comes a few inches short of saying he specializes in the purchase and administration of state of the art doping products.

Let's try to be a bit fairer than that. It's a few feet short of it. You do exaggerate for effect!

 

[red_flanders]

Fairer to give the full quote, no?

I guess. Hardly addresses the point or the bulk of what's being discussed here. Or do you actually think Wiggins can lose weight and gain power without help, when no one had ever been able to do it after being a pro for that many years previously? He just ate low carbs?

You don't seem to be addressing those issues.

 

[sniper]

Let's try to be a bit fairer than that. It's a few feet short of it. You do exaggerate for effect!

Sky leave no stone unturned, but can't pay for a proper nutritionist?
This guy doesn't have a degree. I'm not exaggerating.

 

[thehog]

Late 70s from my recollection. I'm sure before as well. Absurdity.

Yes, correct. It was the exercise, gym revolution that started 'carb loading' to horrible effect in the '70s. I believe that was the point, they wanted them coming back to the gym because the weight never came off.

Effet d'annonce. Or something like that.

Cyclists were never that stupid. Cycle 7 hours one an espresso and slice of Serrano.

 

[SundayRider]

I guess. Hardly addresses the point or the bulk of what's being discussed here. Or do you actually think Wiggins can lose weight and gain power without help, when no one had ever been able to do it after being a pro for that many years previously? He just ate low carbs?

You don't seem to be addressing those issues.

Wiggins clearly found his 'magic formula' in 2009 (not sure what happened in 2010 though ). However as far as teh carb issue goes - athletes don't need as many as some believe especially if the intake of good fats is high/increased. The carb load theory is kept going by companies who (unsurprisingly) sell carbohyrdate energy products.

 

[sniper]

...Sir David (knowing and making sure everyone knew when and where he would not be looking) and Cookson OBE (too stupid to know where to look but keen on looking exactly where he would find nothing) are in the frame

very much in the frame.

Cookson concerned Armstrong may ?taint? Wiggins? Tour win.

?For example, he might say ?you can?t win the Tour without doping?,? Cookson told Manchester Evening News. ?I am very happy and confident to say we have got Bradley Wiggins and you can win the Tour drugs free. I have known Bradley since he was a young man and he has proved you can win all the top races without doping.?

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...may-taint-Wiggins-Tour-win.aspx#ixzz3RneCuxnU

 

[sniper]

Let's try to be a bit fairer than that. It's a few feet short of it. You do exaggerate for effect!

1. you're not addressing the wider issue (see red flanders' post above)

2. i'm hardly exaggerating.
the guy doesn't have a diploma.
a guy without a diploma is credited for developing nutrition that makes topathletes slim down another 5-7 kilo while gaining power.
some jackpot Sky hit there.

 

[wrinklyvet]

1. you're not addressing the wider issue (see red flanders' post above)

2. i'm hardly exaggerating.
the guy doesn't have a diploma.
a guy without a diploma is credited for developing nutrition that makes top athletes slim down another 5-7 kilo while gaining power.
some jackpot Sky hit there.

He is a registered dietician since 1991. About 50% of these have degrees as there are other ways to qualify and I assume as he does not claim a degree you are right that he does not have one. He says he has a clinical and sport career spanning almost 20 years. He is a Visiting Senior Lecturer at the University of Portsmouth.

I am sure you are right - he must be a mere amateur who knows less than you or me about what can be done in his field of non-expertise.

Forgive me, but I don't propose to enter debate with you about what Wiggins can do with or without drugs or what this guy knows about it. I generally feel that as you have nothing to go on other than "it's impossible" you are clutching at sttraws.

However, it's so well known as to be a cliche that you can't prove a negative and I intend to leave it at that. Go on patting each other on the back while running down this apparently honest man. I'm out.

 

[sniper]

He is a registered dietician since 1991. About 50% of these have degrees as there are other ways to qualify and I assume as he does not claim a degree you are right that he does not have one. He says he has a clinical and sport career spanning almost 20 years. He is a Visiting Senior Lecturer at the University of Portsmouth.

I am sure you are right - he must be a mere amateur who knows less than you or me about what can be done in his field of non-expertise.

Forgive me, but I don't propose to enter debate with you about what Wiggins can do with or without drugs or what this guy knows about it. I generally feel that as you have nothing to go on other than "it's impossible" you are clutching at sttraws.

However, it's so well known as to be a cliche that you can't prove a negative and I intend to leave it at that. Go on patting each other on the back while running down this apparently honest man. I'm out.

doping in cycling.
clutching at straws.
gotcha.