Pulling a Wiggins

[Ironhead Slim]

Re: Re:

Anyway listening to Cooke's testimony to the Senate committee give us a good idea as to why the investigation into the mystery package will probably go nowhere.

Her testimony tells us why it typically would go nowhere, but her testimony will itself be the reason why this story does not end until the package is exposed completely. UKAD cannot privately sweep this under the rug with so many watching. C'mon, cheer up this is good news!

How can the package be "exposed completely"? A few people know what was in it and no one can prove they're currently lying.

Others know. Be patient, the ones capable of ignoring this are not the ones looking at it anymore. Smoke, fire. Once these inquiries begin other things pop up. Unless, of course, Wiggins is all perfectly clean and tidy and there really is nothing to this. Do you really think that is what this looks like?

No, I don't. I just doubt whether anyone has the leverage to find out what was really in there. I like your optimism, but don't share it.

Zero chance I thought Wiggins was clean before any of this started. He's one of the most comically obvious dopers I've ever seen.

Thanks! My optimism is very high right now, though. You get so many noses poking around...

 

[Norks74]

Before the Tour, would you have thought your British record of 4th place overall would be threatened by Wiggins?

No, not at all. Bradley had been a talented track rider, but the teams he had been with up until now hadn't helped him realise that he might have career on the road too. Maybe he didn't realise that either.

Are you surprised by what he's done? (did you think he had this in him?)

I think everyone is surprised by his rapid progression this year, obviously he has the power to ride fast but the transition to being competitive on the road and and, even more surprising, being good uphill was hard to foresee . His weight loss has certainly helped his climbing so it's apparent he's has been looking at his diet closely, but that'll be only one component he'll have changed. If only it was as simple as losing a bit of weight and training for a bit longer, then that would be great but it's not that easy. I think anyone who can be world pursuit champion can be a decent road rider, they obviously have the power and the focus, so if they can support the new demands required for racing on the road then there's no reason they wont be successful .

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From http://www.robertmillar.net/ ©robert millar & william fotheringham 2009

 

[ferryman]

Re:

Before the Tour, would you have thought your British record of 4th place overall would be threatened by Wiggins?

No, not at all. Bradley had been a talented track rider, but the teams he had been with up until now hadn't helped him realise that he might have career on the road too. Maybe he didn't realise that either.

Are you surprised by what he's done? (did you think he had this in him?)

I think everyone is surprised by his rapid progression this year, obviously he has the power to ride fast but the transition to being competitive on the road and and, even more surprising, being good uphill was hard to foresee . His weight loss has certainly helped his climbing so it's apparent he's has been looking at his diet closely, but that'll be only one component he'll have changed. If only it was as simple as losing a bit of weight and training for a bit longer, then that would be great but it's not that easy. I think anyone who can be world pursuit champion can be a decent road rider, they obviously have the power and the focus, so if they can support the new demands required for racing on the road then there's no reason they wont be successful .

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From http://www.robertmillar.net/ ©robert millar & william fotheringham 2009

Not seen that before from our Bob. Pretty neutral. When is he going to get round to finishing his Auto?!

 

[Norks74]

Re: Re:

Before the Tour, would you have thought your British record of 4th place overall would be threatened by Wiggins?

No, not at all. Bradley had been a talented track rider, but the teams he had been with up until now hadn't helped him realise that he might have career on the road too. Maybe he didn't realise that either.

Are you surprised by what he's done? (did you think he had this in him?)

I think everyone is surprised by his rapid progression this year, obviously he has the power to ride fast but the transition to being competitive on the road and and, even more surprising, being good uphill was hard to foresee . His weight loss has certainly helped his climbing so it's apparent he's has been looking at his diet closely, but that'll be only one component he'll have changed. If only it was as simple as losing a bit of weight and training for a bit longer, then that would be great but it's not that easy. I think anyone who can be world pursuit champion can be a decent road rider, they obviously have the power and the focus, so if they can support the new demands required for racing on the road then there's no reason they wont be successful .

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From http://www.robertmillar.net/ ©robert millar & william fotheringham 2009

Not seen that before from our Bob. Pretty neutral. When is he going to get round to finishing his Auto?!

I hadn't realised he was writing one? If he is, then hopefully sometime soon.

 

[ferryman]

Re: Re:

Before the Tour, would you have thought your British record of 4th place overall would be threatened by Wiggins?

No, not at all. Bradley had been a talented track rider, but the teams he had been with up until now hadn't helped him realise that he might have career on the road too. Maybe he didn't realise that either.

Are you surprised by what he's done? (did you think he had this in him?)

I think everyone is surprised by his rapid progression this year, obviously he has the power to ride fast but the transition to being competitive on the road and and, even more surprising, being good uphill was hard to foresee . His weight loss has certainly helped his climbing so it's apparent he's has been looking at his diet closely, but that'll be only one component he'll have changed. If only it was as simple as losing a bit of weight and training for a bit longer, then that would be great but it's not that easy. I think anyone who can be world pursuit champion can be a decent road rider, they obviously have the power and the focus, so if they can support the new demands required for racing on the road then there's no reason they wont be successful .

......................................


From http://www.robertmillar.net/ ©robert millar & william fotheringham 2009

Not seen that before from our Bob. Pretty neutral. When is he going to get round to finishing his Auto?!

I hadn't realised he was writing one? If he is, then hopefully sometime soon.

I've not been on Bikeradar for many a year but he posted on there under Gottheteeshirt and certainly alluded to writing an auto. But as as I said, was many moons ago...still hope tho..would certainly be an interesting read

 

[sniper]

Wiggins tdf winning bike:

http://road.cc/content/news/62505-bradley-wiggins-tour-de-france-winning-bike

"Wheels: Shimano/Various. It's hard to say with too much certainty just what wheels the team rode. Their official wheel sponsor is Shimano and many of the team were spotted on the company's C50, a 50mm carbon fibre deep-section wheelset. However there's much speculation about some of the unbranded wheels seen on Wiggo's Dogma and his Graal time trial bike throughout the race."

 

[samhocking]

Wiggins & Sky pretty much used the HED range of wheels during 2012 TTs. Several teams have the same sponsorship clause for HED wheels. Tinkoff & Quickstep last year did too. Basically, they test the fastest. Froome uses them too. Not sure the last year or two, but certainly he used the same for a couple of years after 2012.

 

[42x16ss]

From memory Wigans had a hand built set of climbing wheels in 2012 with low profile Enve rims and Chris King hubs, and Shimano C50's (or at least C50 labelled) wheels for flat stages. He used HeD for TTs most of the time at Sky.

 

[King Boonen]

Of course, if we just post the next paragraph...

"Wheels with Hed rims, Chris King and Tune hubs were spotted, suggesting that Sky isn't afraid to seek out the best kit, regardless of sponsorship responsibilities, if they think it'll give them a marginal gain. This is nothing new, we've seen many riders and teams over the years riding unbranded wheels in the search for extra speed."

 

[sniper]

"suggesting that Sky isn't afraid to seek out the best kit, regardless of sponsorship responsibilities"

Well that's interesting, seeing how they wanted Nicole Cooke to drop the skinsuit because it had no Sky logo.

 

[King Boonen]

Technically that was BC and has nothing to do with the Sky road team.

 

[sniper]

technically what?
brailsford is brailsford.
sponsor deal is sponsor deal.
I think the double standards here are quite obvious and blatant.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

technically what?
brailsford is brailsford.
sky sponsor is sky sponsor.

Sky seeking out performance gains clearly means the employees of the cycling team Sky. Rupe isn't out there wind testing skinsuits and those cans driving around the UK aren't full of super-secret rounder wheels. Nicole Cooke was told she couldn't wear her skinsuit because it didn't have the sponsors logo in it. That sponsor could have been to local takeaway, Kebabylon, for all it mattered.

 

[samhocking]

To be honest, nearly every team breaks the UCI rules re. wheels. Come the mountains & TTs it's simply a case of finding the fastest and the lightest. Sponsorship has little to do with it. e.g. Cavendish regularly used to have a pair of Zipps laced upto DuraAce hubs back in HTC days. Contador often using HEDs in TTs despite being sponsored by Roval etc

 

[samhocking]

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From memory Wigans had a hand built set of climbing wheels in 2012 with low profile Enve rims and Chris King hubs, and Shimano C50's (or at least C50 labelled) wheels for flat stages. He used HeD for TTs most of the time at Sky.

Yep, Wiggins used to ride the Chris King or Tune with Enve35 or HED S3 in the mountains.

 

[Mr.38%]

HED front wheels are still the fastest wheels available in many situations, so nothing to see here. Still, there was some discussion about Froome's unbranded wheels and probably these have been passed on to him from BW. Better focus on these.

 

[samhocking]

Since Shimano brought out the full carbon DuraAce C24 & 35s Sky haven't really used many custom wheels in the mountains. For the TTs last year they all stuck to Pro wheels too it seemed. I didn't see anyone on the HEDs or anything custom anyway. They did regularly label-up HEDs as Pro though a few years ago.
Froome used an unknown rear wheel in 2013 Tour stage 20. Looked a bit like a Mavic Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL, but with internal nipples. It could have just been a prototype C35 though which wasn't yet available.

 

[42x16ss]

Since Shimano brought out the full carbon DuraAce C24 & 35s Sky haven't really used many custom wheels in the mountains. For the TTs last year they all stuck to Pro wheels too it seemed. I didn't see anyone on the HEDs or anything custom anyway. They did regularly label-up HEDs as Pro though a few years ago.
Froome used an unknown rear wheel in 2013 Tour stage 20. Looked a bit like a Mavic Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL, but with internal nipples. It could have just been a prototype C35 though which wasn't yet available.

Shimano hubs have always been excellent, the issue until recently was the rim profile. Enve, HeD and Zipp got the drop on them with their wider profile, but now Shimano has caught up Sky will probably stick with them.

 

[TMJ]

I have just seen an new tv advert starring Mr. Wiggins, who is now a hired shill for Skoda.

There is a fawning montage of his cycling career, but quite remarkably no footage of him in Team Sky kit.

He is wearing Team GB colours, Garmin kit, even Cofidis, which was years ago, but nothing from his greatest moment, winning the TdeF in the Sky livery.

Now sponsorship and advertising can be tricky, maybe Sky did not want to be featured in the ad or is it a case the makers of the commercial did not want any reference to Team Sky?

Why not? Is it a tainted brand?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

leg fracture KO's celeb brad apparently
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/feb/12/sir-bradley-wiggins-sustains-small-leg-fracture-reality-show-the-jump-skiing
off-piste now

 

[bikenrrd]

I have just seen an new tv advert starring Mr. Wiggins, who is now a hired shill for Skoda.

There is a fawning montage of his cycling career, but quite remarkably no footage of him in Team Sky kit.

He is wearing Team GB colours, Garmin kit, even Cofidis, which was years ago, but nothing from his greatest moment, winning the TdeF in the Sky livery.

Now sponsorship and advertising can be tricky, maybe Sky did not want to be featured in the ad or is it a case the makers of the commercial did not want any reference to Team Sky?

Why not? Is it a tainted brand?

Sky have always had a different car sponsor (Jaguar, now Ford) than the other World Tour Teams which are all sponsored by Skoda, as are the Tour de France entourage vehicles.

 

[sniper]

I would like to know if the deal was made pre- or post-Fancybears.

If Skoda are really trying to break into the British market it probably makes some kind of sense.
Andy Murray would have been too expensive.

 

[sniper]

Re:

leg fracture KO's celeb brad apparently
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/feb/12/sir-bradley-wiggins-sustains-small-leg-fracture-reality-show-the-jump-skiing
off-piste now

I wonder if he faked this injury like he faked his asthma :lol:

Good to see him getting hammered left right and center on social media. Classical case of what goes around comes around.
That said, I hope in one or two years from now people will mock him for his doping, rather than for being an absolute buffoon.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

leg fracture KO's celeb brad apparently
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/feb/12/sir-bradley-wiggins-sustains-small-leg-fracture-reality-show-the-jump-skiing
off-piste now

I wonder if he faked this injury like he faked his asthma :lol:

Good to see him getting hammered left right and center on social media. Classical case of what goes around comes around.
That said, I hope in one or two years from now people will mock him for his doping, rather than for being an absolute buffoon.

Once he is referenced as "Disgraced former Tour de France winner Bradley Wiggins..." then the circle will complete.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

leg fracture KO's celeb brad apparently
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/feb/12/sir-bradley-wiggins-sustains-small-leg-fracture-reality-show-the-jump-skiing
off-piste now

I wonder if he faked this injury like he faked his asthma :lol:

Good to see him getting hammered left right and center on social media. Classical case of what goes around comes around.
That said, I hope in one or two years from now people will mock him for his doping, rather than for being an absolute buffoon.

Once he is referenced as "Disgraced former Tour de France winner Bradley Wiggins..." then the circle will complete.

:lol: Done too much good for too many people.