Purito - Joaquim Rodriguez thread

[Arredondo]

He will do Rio too. It's one of his big goals. And i think he's got as much chance als Bala on that parcours.

In some article he said he perhaps will do the Tour, in order to get the super-compensation for Rio. It's more difficult to get in top shape for that race if you are doing a Giro/Vuelta approach.

But i would love him to do the Giro/Vuelta double, and only fighting for GC in the last one. The problem with Purito is that he always wants to fight for the win in the Ardennes AND Giro. The risk is that he's good in both races, but not super. Like in 2012.

He should target Liege 110%. It's his dream race. The chance he wins the Giro is really small, so why risking a possible LIege victory for a podium in the Giro? I think this is the best schedule for him:

Races in Mallorca
Algarve
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Amstel/FW/LBL
Giro (for stages, not for GC)
Spanish road race
Teide block + perhaps stage race during Tour?
Rio (Olympics)
Clasica
Burgos (haven't checked if it's possible)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia (one can hope )

 

[pink_jersey]

Re:

He will do Rio too. It's one of his big goals. And i think he's got as much chance als Bala on that parcours.

Races in Mallorca
Algarve
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Amstel/FW/LBL
Giro (for stages, not for GC)
Spanish road race
Teide block + perhaps stage race during Tour?
Rio (Olympics)
Clasica
Burgos (haven't checked if it's possible)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia (one can hope )

Hmm...I think the longer he starts the season, the better he'll be at the Vuelta.
Andalucia
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Pais Vasco
Amstel, FW, LBL
Dauphine
Austria
Rio
CSS
Vuelta
Lombardia

No Giro...He can't fight for GC with Nibali/Aru, Landa, maybe Porte as well and he already won 2 stages in 2012.

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

He will do Rio too. It's one of his big goals. And i think he's got as much chance als Bala on that parcours.

Races in Mallorca
Algarve
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Amstel/FW/LBL
Giro (for stages, not for GC)
Spanish road race
Teide block + perhaps stage race during Tour?
Rio (Olympics)
Clasica
Burgos (haven't checked if it's possible)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia (one can hope )

Hmm...I think the longer he starts the season, the better he'll be at the Vuelta.
Andalucia
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Pais Vasco
Amstel, FW, LBL
Dauphine
Austria
Rio
CSS
Vuelta
Lombardia

No Giro...He can't fight for GC with Nibali/Aru, Landa, maybe Porte as well and he already won 2 stages in 2012.

Purito always rides the classics better without Pais Vasco, and doing a training block at Teide instead of that. Although Pais Vasco is a beautiful race for him

And concerning the Giro. He should start to win stages. He can win 3/4 stages if he goes into the breaks. And with all kind of respect to Porte, but he never showed he's a real deal for GT's. Purito still can beat him. He perhaps can finish podium, but i rather see him winning stages.

 

[Velolover2]

Re: Re:

He will do Rio too. It's one of his big goals. And i think he's got as much chance als Bala on that parcours.

Races in Mallorca
Algarve
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Amstel/FW/LBL
Giro (for stages, not for GC)
Spanish road race
Teide block + perhaps stage race during Tour?
Rio (Olympics)
Clasica
Burgos (haven't checked if it's possible)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia (one can hope )

Hmm...I think the longer he starts the season, the better he'll be at the Vuelta.
Andalucia
Strade
Tirreno
Catalunya
Pais Vasco
Amstel, FW, LBL
Dauphine
Austria
Rio
CSS
Vuelta
Lombardia

No Giro...He can't fight for GC with Nibali/Aru, Landa, maybe Porte as well and he already won 2 stages in 2012.

Porte is going to the Tour. So is Aru.

And I wouldn't be afraid of Nibali. He is overrated IMO and somewhat inconsistent. At least as a climber. The Giro field next year will be the best of the rest. Lots of guys, he should beat on paper like Pozzovivo, Peraud, Hejsedal, Majka and Chaves. Landa is the only problem. That's why he needs to recognize every corner of the hilly time trial (and the mountain time trial) so he can gain time on him.

I'd rather see him skipping the Vuelta than the Giro. If Contador, Quintana and Froome choses to ride the Vuelta, it's going to be hard to win it. The Giro is his best chance by far.

 

[Velolover2]

The best would be something like:

Oman
Strade
Tirreno
Pais Vasco
Ardennes
Giro

long break

Rio
CSS
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia

 

[portugal11]

purito has no chance against contador in pais vasco

 

[Nirvana]

If i was him i'll skip the worlds this year (cobbles doesn't suits him) to focus only on the italian classics, the Lombardia seems better for him than last year, Giro dell'Emilia with the uphill finish in San Luca suits him perfectly and also Milano-Torino with Superga finish and quit the season.

Another race that could suit him is GP Beghelli (PDF with route here http://www.gsemilia.it/gare/beghelli/2015/beghelli%202015%20altimetria.pdf) and also Coppa Sabatini with the uphill finish in Peccioli but i don't think Katusha will ride these 1.1 races even if between 2012 and 2014 he rode the GP Industria e Commercio di Prato that is 1.1 (i don't know the route of the reborn Giro del Piemonte and Tre Valli Varesine is very easy this year).

 

[hrotha]

He isn't too keen on the worlds this year but he can't risk pissing off the coach and not being selected for the Olympics next year.

 

[Nirvana]

For next year:

San Luis
Dubai (the Hatta Dam finish suits him very well)
Oman
Tirreno-Adriatico (or Paris-Nice)
Catalunya
Pais Vasco
The three Ardennes classics
Tour of Romandie
Giro

one month break with training on Teide

Tour of Austria
Tour the Wallonie
San Sebastian
Olympics
Vuelta Burgos (if not in the same dates of Olympics)
Eneco Tour (with the Ardennes like stages is better for him than the boring circuits of Pologne)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia

 

[Arredondo]

Re:

For next year:

San Luis
Dubai (the Hatta Dam finish suits him very well)
Oman
Tirreno-Adriatico (or Paris-Nice)
Catalunya
Pais Vasco
The three Ardennes classics
Tour of Romandie
Giro

one month break with training on Teide

Tour of Austria
Tour the Wallonie
San Sebastian
Olympics
Vuelta Burgos (if not in the same dates of Olympics)
Eneco Tour (with the Ardennes like stages is better for him than the boring circuits of Pologne)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia

The biggest mistake would be doing Romandie with that approach. Then you would be already dead at the start of the Giro. In 2012, he also didn't do Romandie, and Pais Vasco. Seems to me like the perfect build up.

Wallonie and Austria are also not options imo. Well, perhaps Austria is.

 

[Velolover2]

Not even Valverde would survive such a race-heavy program.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yeah, that doesnt seem super doable, Nirvana. At least not if you want to win anything

 

[jsem94]

That is WAY too much racing.

 

[Kwibus]

I think Rio will be won by a pure climber, or maybe I just hope it.

Seeing Contador ride away on the final climb and winning the Olympics right after he won the TdF
If not Purito is ofcourse allowed to win

 

[gunara]

For next year:

San Luis
Dubai (the Hatta Dam finish suits him very well)
Oman
Tirreno-Adriatico (or Paris-Nice)
Catalunya
Pais Vasco
The three Ardennes classics
Tour of Romandie
Giro

one month break with training on Teide

Tour of Austria
Tour the Wallonie
San Sebastian
Olympics
Vuelta Burgos (if not in the same dates of Olympics)
Eneco Tour (with the Ardennes like stages is better for him than the boring circuits of Pologne)
Vuelta
Milano-Torino
Lombardia
Emilia

Is that true? He basically race everything he can outside June. 60+ race days before Teide and then another 50 after, in three continents, and for a leader who's expected to get some big win for the team and finish everything, no.

 

[Arredondo]

Re:

I think Rio will be won by a pure climber, or maybe I just hope it.

Seeing Contador ride away on the final climb and winning the Olympics right after he won the TdF
If not Purito is ofcourse allowed to win

You can say what you want, but Purito is a pure climber. Not on the level of Conta, but he's a pure climber.

Just ask Rujano

 

[jsem94]

On that note... Rujano to win the Vuelta a Colombia 2016 in style and get selected to go to Rio and will win the damn race. That would make for some interesting posts on this forum among others...

 

[hrotha]

Re: Re:

You can say what you want, but Purito is a pure climber. Not on the level of Conta, but he's a pure climber

His status as a proper climber seems to come and go depending on what the discussion is about.

 

[Velolover2]

He is an explosive climber. Definitely not a puncheur.

Puncheur/Explosive climber-ratio:

Albasini: 95/5
Gilbert: 90/10
Gallopin 80/20
Vuillermoz: 75/25
Alaphilippe 70/30
Martin: 60/30
Valverde 25/75
Moreno 20/80
Purito: 10/90
Henao: 5/95

Other riders like Gerrans are on the Puncheur/Sprinter-ratio.

 

[ice&fire]

Re: Re:

You can say what you want, but Purito is a pure climber. Not on the level of Conta, but he's a pure climber.

Just ask Rujano

Purito is sh*ttier than Conta in flat/windy stages and in ITT, so in that aspect he's even more of a pure climber.

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

You can say what you want, but Purito is a pure climber. Not on the level of Conta, but he's a pure climber.

Just ask Rujano

Purito is sh*ttier than Conta in flat/windy stages and in ITT, so in that aspect he's even more of a pure climber.

But he's better in the rain, or snow

 

[jsem94]

So let us hope we get some snow in Rio. Oh wait....

 

[bala v]

Re: Re:

You can say what you want, but Purito is a pure climber. Not on the level of Conta, but he's a pure climber.

Just ask Rujano

Purito is sh*ttier than Conta in flat/windy stages and in ITT, so in that aspect he's even more of a pure climber.

A "pure climber" term doesn't refer to a rider who only can climb and can't do nothing else. Pure climber is someone who can climb tremendously, who is natural, who climbs with ease, with fluid style, a joy to watch. It doesn't exclude other skills of cycling, you can be a pure climber and a good time trialist, or fast on the line, or a good descender. It's a quality more. For example Contador, he can TT pretty well, and who can say he's not a pure climber when anybody who saw him ride knows he's born for climbing. And so is Purito, theirs TT have nothing to do with that!

 

[Arredondo]

Haha, look what i have found

Purito who's speaking English. Well, at least something what looks like English

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/video/485514819722/Post-race-Joaquim-Rodrguez

 

[Velolover2]

His Giro team could be a very strong one. Purito, Taaramäe, Van den Broeck, Restrepo, Machado, Losada, Vicioso.

And Paolini + Caruso if they are allowed to race.