Quintana??

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

http://www.chronoswatts.com/watts/19/

Alpe D'huez

37 Nairo Quintana Colombie Tour de France 2013 (#18) 39'50 6.25 w/kg 426

Why hasn't this ET performance been mentioned ? lol

Wait, wait, wait: Quintana put out more w/kg, in the third week of his tour in 2013, than Froome did on his 'mutant' stage 10 this year,the one that broke the internet, Even Froomes biggest estimates was 6.09 w/kg, and that was the first mountain stage of the tour, and it was after a rest day! That is brilliant

He's never been in the yellow jersey, makes a big difference to the level of scrutiny.

Bingo. While he has won a GT, has he made one boring through domination? Has his team declared him clean and smarter than everyone about training in the english-speaking media? Has he repeatedly insulted the intelligence of cycling fans? Does he have legions of fans defending his cleanliness despite all evidence to the contrary?

Nope. Pretty much everyone who understands the sport assumes him to be as doped as everyone else. Not terribly controversial, so not much chatter.

Well he did win the Giro.

He has much evidence as critics have on Froome, some estimates on w/kg he produces, almost beating Froome & Sky in his first tour at 23, people not sure what he does or if he is tested in Colombia, then you mix it all together to have little evidence but if you believe in your theory long enough, you will find a way to make it work. Some people just have a gut feeling on who's doping and who isn't

Lol, pretty obvious baiting.

 

[roundabout]

Only 39:30 or so for the climb. I am disappointed.

 

[red_flanders]

So 39:20 is what I'm hearing. 21st fastest time ever, matching the big house.

Here are the top 50. Struggling to find a clean rider in this list.

1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
11. 1995: 38:34 Laurent Madouas 21.47 km/h
12. 2006: 38:35 Floyd Landis 21.46 km/h
13. 2006: 38:35 Andreas Klöden 21.46 km/h
14. 2004: 38:40 Jan Ullrich 21.41 km/h
15. 1994: 38:55 Richard Virenque 21.28 km/h
16. 2006: 39:00 Carlos Sastre 21.23 km/h
17. 2003: 39:08 Iban Mayo 21.16 km/h
18. 2004: 39:12 Andreas Kloden 21.12 km/h
19. 2004: 39:14 Jose Azevedo 21.10 km/h
20. 2006: 39:14 Levi Leipheimer 21.10 km/h
21. 1997: 39:20 Francesco Casagrande 21.05 km/h / Nairo Quinata (not confirmed)
22. 1997: 39:21 Bjarne Riis 21.04 km/h
23. 1994: 39:30 Miguel Indurain 20.96 km/h
24. 1994: 39:30 Luc Leblanc 20.96 km/h
25. 2008: 39:30 Carlos Sastre 20.96 km/h
26. 1994: 39:37 Vladimir Poulnikov 20.90 km/h
27. 2004: 39:40 Giuseppe Guerini 20.87 km/h
28. 2004: 39:41 Santos Gonzalez 20.87 km/h
29. 2004: 39:41 Vladimir Karpets 20.87 km/h
30. 1995: 39:42 Fernando Escartin 20.86 km/h
31. 1995: 39:42 Claudio Chiappucci 20.86 km/h
32. 1995: 39:42 Paolo Lanfranchi 20.86 km/h
33. 2006: 39:46 Denis Menchov 20.82 km/h
34. 2006: 39:46 Michael Rasmussen 20.82 km/h
35. 2006: 39:46 Pietro Caucchioli 20.82 km/h
36. 1995: 39:48 Tony Rominger 20.80 km/h
37. 1995: 39:51 Pavel Tonkov 20.78 km/h
38. 1997: 39:52 Beat Zberg 20.77 km/h
39. 1997: 39:52 Udo Bolts 20.77 km/h
40. 1997: 39:52 Roberto Conti 20.77 km/h
41. 1997: 39:52 Laurent Madouas 20.77 km/h
42. 2004: 39:56 David Moncoutié 20.73 km/h
43. 2004: 39:57 Carlos Sastre 20.73 km/h
44. 2004: 39:58 Ivan Basso 20.72 km/h
45. 2004: 39:58 Stéphane Goubert 20.72 km/h
46. 1994: 40:01 Piotr Ugrumov 20.69 km/h
47. 1994: 40:01 Alex Zülle 20.69 km/h
48. 2001: 40:02 Jan Ullrich 20.68 km/h
49. 1995: 40:07 Laurent Jalabert 20.64 km/h
50. 2004: 40:07 Michael Rogers 20.64 km/h

 

[SlickMongoose]

http://www.climbing-records.com/

39:22, 26 second qicker than 2015.

 

[SeriousSam]

It's a bit quicker than Sastre in 08 and to find someone better, you have to go back to 2006.

The great natural climber Andres Klöden was almost a minute quicker then.

 

[Eagle]

Only 39:30 or so for the climb. I am disappointed.

He did break the record up Col de la Croix de Fer though, if that's any consolation for you

 

[red_flanders]

It's beating many top times from the supposedly "most doped" pre 50% limit era. Leblanc, Rominger, Indurain, Tonkov, Zülle, etc. Right in with Riis, Guerini, Sastre.

 

[snccdcno]

20th stage and after a fast time on Croix de Fer.

Impressive.

 

[Benotti69]

New generation...........where????????????


How the heck has Unzue gotten away with it for so long!!!!!!!

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

So 39:20 is what I'm hearing. 21st fastest time ever, matching the big house.

Here are the top 50. Struggling to find a clean rider in this list.

1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
11. 1995: 38:34 Laurent Madouas 21.47 km/h
12. 2006: 38:35 Floyd Landis 21.46 km/h
13. 2006: 38:35 Andreas Klöden 21.46 km/h
14. 2004: 38:40 Jan Ullrich 21.41 km/h
15. 1994: 38:55 Richard Virenque 21.28 km/h
16. 2006: 39:00 Carlos Sastre 21.23 km/h
17. 2003: 39:08 Iban Mayo 21.16 km/h
18. 2004: 39:12 Andreas Kloden 21.12 km/h
19. 2004: 39:14 Jose Azevedo 21.10 km/h
20. 2006: 39:14 Levi Leipheimer 21.10 km/h
21. 1997: 39:20 Francesco Casagrande 21.05 km/h / Nairo Quinata (not confirmed)
22. 1997: 39:21 Bjarne Riis 21.04 km/h
23. 1994: 39:30 Miguel Indurain 20.96 km/h
24. 1994: 39:30 Luc Leblanc 20.96 km/h
25. 2008: 39:30 Carlos Sastre 20.96 km/h
26. 1994: 39:37 Vladimir Poulnikov 20.90 km/h
27. 2004: 39:40 Giuseppe Guerini 20.87 km/h
28. 2004: 39:41 Santos Gonzalez 20.87 km/h
29. 2004: 39:41 Vladimir Karpets 20.87 km/h
30. 1995: 39:42 Fernando Escartin 20.86 km/h
31. 1995: 39:42 Claudio Chiappucci 20.86 km/h
32. 1995: 39:42 Paolo Lanfranchi 20.86 km/h
33. 2006: 39:46 Denis Menchov 20.82 km/h
34. 2006: 39:46 Michael Rasmussen 20.82 km/h
35. 2006: 39:46 Pietro Caucchioli 20.82 km/h
36. 1995: 39:48 Tony Rominger 20.80 km/h
37. 1995: 39:51 Pavel Tonkov 20.78 km/h
38. 1997: 39:52 Beat Zberg 20.77 km/h
39. 1997: 39:52 Udo Bolts 20.77 km/h
40. 1997: 39:52 Roberto Conti 20.77 km/h
41. 1997: 39:52 Laurent Madouas 20.77 km/h
42. 2004: 39:56 David Moncoutié 20.73 km/h
43. 2004: 39:57 Carlos Sastre 20.73 km/h
44. 2004: 39:58 Ivan Basso 20.72 km/h
45. 2004: 39:58 Stéphane Goubert 20.72 km/h
46. 1994: 40:01 Piotr Ugrumov 20.69 km/h
47. 1994: 40:01 Alex Zülle 20.69 km/h
48. 2001: 40:02 Jan Ullrich 20.68 km/h
49. 1995: 40:07 Laurent Jalabert 20.64 km/h
50. 2004: 40:07 Michael Rogers 20.64 km/h

17th if you take the 2004 TT times out.

 

[Brullnux]

That was a monster ride

 

[roundabout]

Only 39:30 or so for the climb. I am disappointed.

He did break the record up Col de la Croix de Fer though, if that's any consolation for you

When did they last go up Croix de Fer from that side? 2008, probably? Don't think it's used that much, so not sure how meaningful a fast time up it is.

 

[red_flanders]

So 39:20 is what I'm hearing. 21st fastest time ever, matching the big house.

Here are the top 50. Struggling to find a clean rider in this list.

1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
11. 1995: 38:34 Laurent Madouas 21.47 km/h
12. 2006: 38:35 Floyd Landis 21.46 km/h
13. 2006: 38:35 Andreas Klöden 21.46 km/h
14. 2004: 38:40 Jan Ullrich 21.41 km/h
15. 1994: 38:55 Richard Virenque 21.28 km/h
16. 2006: 39:00 Carlos Sastre 21.23 km/h
17. 2003: 39:08 Iban Mayo 21.16 km/h
18. 2004: 39:12 Andreas Kloden 21.12 km/h
19. 2004: 39:14 Jose Azevedo 21.10 km/h
20. 2006: 39:14 Levi Leipheimer 21.10 km/h
21. 1997: 39:20 Francesco Casagrande 21.05 km/h / Nairo Quinata (not confirmed)
22. 1997: 39:21 Bjarne Riis 21.04 km/h
23. 1994: 39:30 Miguel Indurain 20.96 km/h
24. 1994: 39:30 Luc Leblanc 20.96 km/h
25. 2008: 39:30 Carlos Sastre 20.96 km/h
26. 1994: 39:37 Vladimir Poulnikov 20.90 km/h
27. 2004: 39:40 Giuseppe Guerini 20.87 km/h
28. 2004: 39:41 Santos Gonzalez 20.87 km/h
29. 2004: 39:41 Vladimir Karpets 20.87 km/h
30. 1995: 39:42 Fernando Escartin 20.86 km/h
31. 1995: 39:42 Claudio Chiappucci 20.86 km/h
32. 1995: 39:42 Paolo Lanfranchi 20.86 km/h
33. 2006: 39:46 Denis Menchov 20.82 km/h
34. 2006: 39:46 Michael Rasmussen 20.82 km/h
35. 2006: 39:46 Pietro Caucchioli 20.82 km/h
36. 1995: 39:48 Tony Rominger 20.80 km/h
37. 1995: 39:51 Pavel Tonkov 20.78 km/h
38. 1997: 39:52 Beat Zberg 20.77 km/h
39. 1997: 39:52 Udo Bolts 20.77 km/h
40. 1997: 39:52 Roberto Conti 20.77 km/h
41. 1997: 39:52 Laurent Madouas 20.77 km/h
42. 2004: 39:56 David Moncoutié 20.73 km/h
43. 2004: 39:57 Carlos Sastre 20.73 km/h
44. 2004: 39:58 Ivan Basso 20.72 km/h
45. 2004: 39:58 Stéphane Goubert 20.72 km/h
46. 1994: 40:01 Piotr Ugrumov 20.69 km/h
47. 1994: 40:01 Alex Zülle 20.69 km/h
48. 2001: 40:02 Jan Ullrich 20.68 km/h
49. 1995: 40:07 Laurent Jalabert 20.64 km/h
50. 2004: 40:07 Michael Rogers 20.64 km/h

17th if you take the 2004 TT times out.

A very important point, thanks.

 

[red_flanders]

Only 39:30 or so for the climb. I am disappointed.

He did break the record up Col de la Croix de Fer though, if that's any consolation for you

When did they last go up Croix de Fer from that side? 2008, probably? Don't think it's used that much, so not sure how meaningful a fast time up it is.

An HC climb that's been ridden 29 times in the Tour? Pretty important.

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Of course someone will pop up about the distance of the stage.
Look at the similar distance in 2011. That ended up one of the slowest times.

 

[carton]

Re:

New generation...........where????????????

Oh, can it. Whatever they're doing now is clearly less than the were doing ten years ago. On a short stage,one guy went faster than 40:30.

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Re: Re:

New generation...........where????????????

Oh, can it. Whatever they're doing now is clearly less than the were doing ten years ago. On a short stage,one guy went faster than 40:30.

In 2011 on a short stage - 41:25---average speed 19.99 km/h(Samuel Sanchez)

 

[roundabout]

Only 39:30 or so for the climb. I am disappointed.

He did break the record up Col de la Croix de Fer though, if that's any consolation for you

When did they last go up Croix de Fer from that side? 2008, probably? Don't think it's used that much, so not sure how meaningful a fast time up it is.

An HC climb that's been ridden 29 times in the Tour? Pretty important.

There are 3 sides of that climb.

The one they did today was ridden in 2008 and 1995 (thanks to the climbing records blog). In the same period they climbed 2 other sides at least 6 times.

 

[red_flanders]

Only 39:30 or so for the climb. I am disappointed.

He did break the record up Col de la Croix de Fer though, if that's any consolation for you

When did they last go up Croix de Fer from that side? 2008, probably? Don't think it's used that much, so not sure how meaningful a fast time up it is.

An HC climb that's been ridden 29 times in the Tour? Pretty important.

There are 3 sides of that climb.

The one they did today was ridden in 2008 and 1995 (thanks to the climbing records blog). In the same period they climbed 2 other sides at least 6 times.

Great. The point is that it's an HC climb preceding another one, and he set incredible times up both. How 39:20 isn't mind-blowing just shows how comfortable everyone is with the insanity we're watching.

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Re: Re:

New generation...........where????????????

Oh, can it. Whatever they're doing now is clearly less than the were doing ten years ago. On a short stage,one guy went faster than 40:30.

In 2003 one guy went 39:08 Iban Mayo 21.16 km/h
Next fastest was 40:53 Alexandre Vinokourov 20.25 km/h
Clearly they were doing less 12 years ago by your logic.

 

[Rackham]

Re: Re:

New generation...........where????????????

Oh, can it. Whatever they're doing now is clearly less than the were doing ten years ago. On a short stage,one guy went faster than 40:30.

In 2003's first mountain stage, Iban Mayo won the Alpe D'Huez stage with a climb of 39:08, Armstrong was 02:12 behind, i.e. his ascent time was over 41:00. Both were on the juice.

There's no visible difference now, IMO.

 

[FroomehasneverdopedX]

quintana watts

300 watts / 20 kg weight

 

[Springveldt]

Great. The point is that it's an HC climb preceding another one, and he set incredible times up both. How 39:20 isn't mind-blowing just shows how comfortable everyone is with the insanity we're watching.

Especially when you consider the parcours this year, it's the 4th day in the Alps and 20 days into the Tour.

17th quickest all time, unreal.

 

[Lyon]

Great. The point is that it's an HC climb preceding another one, and he set incredible times up both. How 39:20 isn't mind-blowing just shows how comfortable everyone is with the insanity we're watching.

Exactly, the goal posts keeps moving and not even the clinic can recognize "not normal" anymore.
The W/kg numbers game has made everybody doubt their eyes and instincts.

 

[roundabout]

Stupid embedded quotes.

My point is that the time in itself up Croix de Fer doesn't mean that much when there were other people making the tempo for the vast majority of it and a lot of people ended up relatively close to Quintana over the top.

Quintana's attack was about 7 minutes in duration and he was paced by Serpa and Valverde in parts so it's difficult to tell how much effect it had for the final climb.