Rabobank(+ the rest): what a stuff up!

[Bala Verde]

The race development in the Ronde was totally different from AGR... Didn't Canc attack at 40k before the finish?

Here the race only started at about 10-20K.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Did I even mention Garmin/RVV? What does that have to do with this useless thread other than another way to divert attention away from your personal disappointment with your own team's performance? For me your true point is clear as day. Cadel couldn't, ride GVA wasn't anywhere to be seen so you may as well rag on the Dutchies team just to get something started as a way to mask your pain.

I never said you did say that. I don't see how there tatics were different to rabobanks today? I am very happy about the result today. not remotely dissapointed. Some posters are very sensitive when their favourite riders are being bagged.

 

[afpm90]

I think Rabo should have attacked with one of their riders in the final part of the race. Instead of just standing there.

 

[Havetts]

I never said you did say that. I don't see how there tatics were different to rabobanks today? I am very happy about the result today. not remotely dissapointed. Some posters are very sensitive when their favourite riders are being bagged.

Well, when Gesink cramps up at the moment he thought he wanted to attack theres not much you can do. Martens isnt quite on form, the Cauberg is too steep for Freire and Gesink cramps. Would be extremely stupid to even help Gilbert, but if you want to call it cowardish go ahead..

And I giggled when you said:
"Some posters are very sensitive when their favourite riders are being bagged."

 

[theyoungest]

Gesink looked as bad as last year, basically. But he still rode himself into the top-10. Unlike, for instance, Sammy Sanchez, who didn't even make the front group. So ACF, if this will be the order at the Tour, fine with me

Luckily they have Mollema for Liege. He has found top form later than he wanted, but at the right time for the classics.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I'm not and I don't so please enlighten me.

Bruce Mcavaney (who is an excellent commentator of AFL) sometimes uses the term delicious in a quite humourous tone. A lot of people made fun of him and still do. It is an ongoing joke amongst people who listen to Bruce.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Did I even mention Garmin/RVV? What does that have to do with this useless thread other than another way to divert attention away from your personal disappointment with your own team's performance? For me your true point is clear as day. Cadel couldn't, ride GVA wasn't anywhere to be seen so you may as well rag on the Dutchies team just to get something started as a way to mask your pain.

acf can't distinguish the difference between two races with little in common.
The only loser is the creator of this thread. The thread itself shows how little he knows about cycling tactics.

katusha, vasc. were basically the same, and every other rider in the group.
Everyone was outclassed. Rabobank failed, so did others.
But yeah big time losers.

 

[Cowgirlup]

Some posters are very sensitive when their favourite riders are being bagged.

OMG

Ring ring......Hello kettle, pot is calling

 

[meandmygitane]

I think there are obvious hierarchy issues within Rabobank. No one wants to sacrifice their own chances for their teammates.

That sounds exactly like the problems for Garmin-Cervelo this year (I don't think anyone of Farrar, Haussler or Hushovd would do a pull for another)

I wonder if the Tour de France-team of Garmin-Cervelo will be as divided as Cervelo TdF 2010 where Sastre and Hushovd was fighting over domestiques.

Teams should pay really close attention to VDBs monsterpull for Gilbert..

 

[auscyclefan94]

Gesink looked as bad as last year, basically. But he still rode himself into the top-10. Unlike, for instance, Sammy Sanchez, who didn't even make the front group. So ACF, if this will be the order at the Tour, fine with me

Luckily they have Mollema for Liege. He has found top form later than he wanted, but at the right time for the classics.

A one day classic is different to a stage race. Suerly you would understand that. I felt, like quite a few others did, that rabobank should of had a go. Most riders get some sort of cramps after 250km of racing. Why did rabo ride so hard if Gesink didn't have it again?

 

[auscyclefan94]

OMG

Ring ring......Hello kettle, pot is calling

Yes, but at least I can admit that, unlike some other posters.

 

[theyoungest]

Regardless of whether they could have done more today (Gesink didn't look good, Martens disappointed and this isn't a finale for Freire), I think there are obvious hierarchy issues within Rabobank. No one wants to sacrifice their own chances for their teammates.

Last year Gesink sacrificed his chances in the final for Freire. Half the Dutch cycling world later flamed Rabo for that, so he wouldn't dare to do so anymore

Freire always rides his own race, teammates or no teammates.

 

[La Pandera]

I never said you did say that. I don't see how there tatics were different to rabobanks today? I am very happy about the result today. not remotely dissapointed. Some posters are very sensitive when their favourite riders are being bagged.

Of course being sensitive about your favourite rider(s) is something completely foreign to you.

As was stated earlier Rabobank did animate the race earlier and their tactic of sitting on Gilbert to hopefully tire him out sounded like a viable strategy. He was just too strong and Rabo's riders just couldn't match him. No shame is necessary, they did their best. RVV and AGR are completely separate scenario's that can't be compared.

 

[Lanark]

What should they have done?

Still no answer, outside of 'have a go'. Seriously, what tactic should they have used?

 

[theyoungest]

A one day classic is different to a stage race. Suerly you would understand that. I felt, like quite a few others did, that rabobank should of had a go. Most riders get some sort of cramps after 250km of racing. Why did rabo ride so hard if Gesink didn't have it again?

I'm just repeating what you said, I don't think this race has anything to do with the Tour, but if it does: Gesink beat Andy Schleck and Samu today

Gesink basically said that he wanted to launch his planned attack on the Keutenberg, and he just cramped up immediately. BTW, his last 260 k race was the Amstel Gold Race last year, so maybe he has to get used to the distance again (I don't really believe this myself, but...)

 

[Havetts]

Gesink basically said that he wanted to launch his planned attack on the Keutenberg, and he just cramped up immediately.

This. I've noted it and youngest did, thats the reason why Gesink couldnt do anything.

 

[Anonymous]

Wish id never listened to ACF and put Van Avermaet in my team. At least Gesink got in the top ten and scored me a few points.

 

[joy118118]

Wish id never listened to ACF and put Van Avermaet in my team. At least Gesink got in the top ten and scored me a few points.

i wish i'd never buy the hype of mini phinney

 

[NickRooz]

Oh nice a topic about bashing Rabo.

But seriously they rode really bad today, having three contenders in the final and doing absolutely nothing. No wonder Gilbert was talking to Gesink. Gilbert had to do all the work, and I almost thought it would be to much for him, but still he pulled it off. That's just priceless, one rider being stronger than the threesome of Rabo.

 

[dlwssonic]

but rabo still did better than a super dissapointing bmc. Im getting kinda sick of all their mess ups gonna support leopard now unless bmc get themselves a win

 

[La Pandera]

Bruce Mcavaney (who is an excellent commentator of AFL) sometimes uses the term delicious in a quite humourous tone. A lot of people made fun of him and still do. It is an ongoing joke amongst people who listen to Bruce.

I always hoped for your sake that your using that as a description of your idol had some deep hidden meaning that wasn't readily apparent.

 

[peloton]

Maybe I was watching a different race than ACF, but I think Rabo did actually pretty well, they split the race earlier on, had good numbers in the final selection, and didn't help Gilbert chase Andy when he attacked.

That Gesink was cramping or didn't the have legs, that's just the way it goes sometimes. Having still 3 riders in top 10 is hardly a "stuff up", imo.

 

[auscyclefan94]

acf can't distinguish the difference between two races with little in common.
The only loser is the creator of this thread. The thread itself shows how little he knows about cycling tactics.
katusha, vasc. were basically the same, and every other rider in the group.
Everyone was outclassed. Rabobank failed, so did others.

But yeah big time losers.

I musn't be the only person then. In some way, the quoted posters agree with me.

Yeah it's logical that he trains to be good at Oman, a race that doesn't really matter anyway. When it really matters, when the real races are ridden with the strongest competitors, Rabo simply doesn't have what it takes to win a race, let it be a major classic or stage race. Maybe they should hire Bjarne Riis, who gets most out of his riders?

In other words:they should think about their strategy. They failed in trying to isolate Gilbert, after that they failed in making a mark in the final stage of the race.

The boy's a bit special, that's for sure! Can we say Cancellara is the Gilbert of Flanders now?

I have nothing against Rabobank at all, but they were made to look stupid in the final. Amateur, even.

I'm beginning to think Gesink has left his legs on his trialing bike.
His edge seems to be gone at present.
Really expected more from him, today.
That was the Rabo of old. No idea what to do when you have half the team left in a small group.


Has Greg van Slowatthat finished yet?

So Rabobank came up empty handed??? That's why you ride to win.

wow. just wow! What a ride by Phil... Rabo couldn't even put anyone on the podium with that group they had... would love to be a fly on the wall at dinner tonight.

Rabo make Garmin look good. Best rider won and thats the main thing though. Congratulations to Gilbert

Rabobank - epic fail.

I think Rabo should have attacked with one of their riders in the final part of the race. Instead of just standing there.

http://twitter.com/#!/DavidBombeke/status/59633044511928321

 

[dlwssonic]

but rabo should have at least tried to attack since they had 3 riders on the front instead of hiding there. should have done something like androni did in giro dell appolino

 

[auscyclefan94]

but rabo should have at least tried to attack since they had 3 riders on the front instead of hiding there. should have done something like androni did in giro dell appolino

lets see if timmy loves rabo stops being a hypocrite and goes after some other people. I should of been a little less strong with my language but the mesage is the same.