Rabobank(+ the rest): what a stuff up!

[theyoungest]

http://twitter.com/#!/DavidBombeke/status/59633044511928321

David Bombeke is a Belgian. Belgians and Rabo: bash them whenever you can.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I musn't be the only person then. In some way, the quoted posters agree with me.

you were the only one who made a stupid pointless thread yes.

A number of those guys also acknowedged that rabo weren't good enough in the finale, not losers. there is a difference. And that had nothing to do with my comment about distingusing the difference of cycling tactics. I know those guys have insight in the sport.

3 guys in the top ten, not to bad for a fail. Pretty sure if this was b,c a certain someone would be appaluding this rather then being a troll. not naming names tho

And hey, I totally agree it was fail by rabo, it was fail by katusha and vasc too. and everyone else who didn't make podium.
Loser comment is stupid tho, not being good enough and riding a tactically smart race... yep ok.

@acf I'm only going after you (and nick check the other thread) because of the rubbish you posted. Nothing personal, just a fact that I'm gonna reply to things I disagree with.
Hypocritical? sureee thing.
if you didn't wanna be replied to, don't make the thread. It is a forum pal.

 

[La Pandera]

I musn't be the only person then. In some way, the quoted posters agree with me.

Normally someone uses actual experts to support their claims, not anonymous posters on a forum. I'd have to see some credentials first.

 

[auscyclefan94]

David Bombeke is a Belgian. Belgians and Rabo: bash them whenever you can.

So it is just a racial thing? Bombeke works with BMC. Spin it any way you like. It is not just me who thinks they played it badly.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

but rabo should have at least tried to attack since they had 3 riders on the front instead of hiding there. should have done something like androni did in giro dell appolino

Why should they? It was in none of their interest to take that risk: Freire should wait to sprint, Gesink cramped, and I imagine Martens was similarly on the ropes. I keep wanting to point to Schleck as an example of what would have happened if someone had gone away, but I don't actually know where he finished. As it looks right now though, they all made the right choice (in that they beat AS).

 

[auscyclefan94]

you were the only one who made a stupid pointless thread yes.

A number of those guys also acknowedged that rabo weren't good enough in the finale, not losers. there is a difference. And that had nothing to do with my comment about distingusing the difference of cycling tactics. I know those guys have insight in the sport.

3 guys in the top ten, not to bad for a fail. Pretty sure if this was b,c a certain someone would be appaluding this rather then being a troll. not naming names tho

And hey, I totally agree it was fail by rabo, it was fail by katusha and vasc too. and everyone else who didn't make podium.
Loser comment is stupid tho, not being good enough and riding a tactically smart race... yep ok.

keep on backtracking.... you were defending them before. So is it alright to make a thread when a team plays it tatically badly in RVV but not in AGR. same type of thread but no complaints about that thread?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=12975&highlight=garmin

 

[Bala Verde]

So it is just a racial thing? Bombeke works with BMC. Spin it any way you like. It is not just me who thinks they played it badly.

was he talking about that 80K attack with the entire team to get Barredo up front...

 

[auscyclefan94]

was he talking about that 80K attack with the entire team to get Barredo up front...

well he said it straight after the finish.

 

[theyoungest]

So it is just a racial thing? Bombeke works with BMC. Spin it any way you like. It is not just me who thinks they played it badly.

Yes, the Belgians are a different race

Of course not, but whenever a Belgian discusses Rabo, there's a huge amount of bias involved, that's just how it is.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

keep on backtracking.... you were defending them before. So is it alright to make a thread when a team plays it tatically badly in RVV but not in AGR. same type of thread but no complaints about that thread?

I only posted about JV comments on radio mate.
I totally get why they did it. I just disliekd his comments. Go back and read teh entire thread. Furthermore at PR i was fully in support of how thor dode tactically. Follwong the best.
This thread on the other hand was just trolling. childish.
Why no katusha or vasc. thread?

Personally I would never make a thread like this.
I have made 2 before. one congratulating a good show by bmc, and a race thread. Don't see how I am a hypocrite, but whatever floats your boat acf.

again imo rabo didn't ride like losers, they just weren't good enough. If your issues is them not doing any work, well then the whole group are losers. I fail to see your point.

 

[NickRooz]

Yes, the Belgians are a different race

Of course not, but whenever a Belgian discusses Rabo, there's a huge amount of bias involved, that's just how it is.

And for all the right reasons? Besides the Belgians, at the moment, have all the bragging rights, seeming as they win about every classic monument atm.

 

[eric_vv]

It's all easy to say they should have attacked, but it was obvious both Gesink and Martens didn't have the legs to do it. Gesink had a hard enough time keeping up with the group. Just look at the trouble he had when Gilbert lead the chase.

How are you supposed to attack if you aren't strong enough, the final climb showed that clear enough.

The last thing they should have done is help Gilbert chase, Schleck was always within striking distance and they needed a tired Gilbert to stand any chance. You don't chase just because you have menpower, you chase to increase your chances. In this case not chasing increased thier chances (just not by much).

 

[La Pandera]

What should they have done?

@ACF the primary problem with the topic/subject of this thread is that you fail to answer the above question in your original post and you've chosen to ignore/not respond to the above post, which has been a question put to you for the 3rd time (twice by Lanark). If their tactics were so bad what exactly should they have done? It is unfair to rag on a team about not winning the race with 3 riders in the final selection when you don't give any alternative to what methods/tactics they chose to use.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I only posted about JV comments on radio mate.
I totally get why they did it. I just disliekd his comments. Go back and read teh entire thread.
This thread on the other hand was just trolling. childish.
Why no katusha or vasc. thread?

Personally I would never make a thread like this.
I have made 2 before. one congratulating a good show by bmc, and a race thread. Don't see how I am a hypocrite, but whatever floats your boat acf.

this is not about trolling. btw, katusha did not fail because they nearly won. Nobody really expected much of vacansoleil.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

it certainly seemed like trolling. shall i quote all the posters who have posted similar comments acf style ?

It's all easy to say they should have attacked, but it was obvious both Gesink and Martens didn't have the legs to do it. Gesink had a hard enough time keeping up with the group. Just look at the trouble he had when Gilbert lead the chase.

How are you supposed to attack if you aren't strong enough, the final climb showed that clear enough.

The last thing they should have done is help Gilbert chase, Schleck was always within striking distance and they needed a tired Gilbert to stand any chance. You don't chase just because you have menpower, you chase to increase your chances. In this case not chasing increased thier chances (just not by much).

this. thank you.

 

[Archibald]

If you were australian and you knew who Bruce McAvaney was you would understand.

I'm Australian, and I know who Bruce "speshaaal" McAvaney is, but you didn't make sense...

 

[auscyclefan94]

@ACF the primary problem with the topic/subject of this thread is that you fail to answer the above question in your original post and you've chosen to ignore/not respond to the above post, which has been a question put to you for the 3rd time (twice by Lanark). If their tactics were so bad what exactly should they have done?

I personally they didn't play the race tatics very well. Barredo and LLS looked quite strong. I think they initially rode to early on the front to split it up. I thought Martens and Gesink regardless of cramp should of given it a go. A lot if riders generally have cramp after 250km's. Just my opinion. I feel I have been singled out here even though I did make this thread. Again, others have agreed with me.


I think "loser" is too stronger of a word. Nobody is a loser as that is quite a mean word.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

this is not about trolling. btw, katusha did not fail because they nearly won. Nobody really expected much of vacansoleil.

did anyone really expect anything from rabo?
I know I didn't.

I thought martens might be able to do something, but he clearly didn't have the legs.
It was already obvious at basque gesink is below par.
And I have been saying for years that rabo waste their effort on friere here, when he never comes through. Not taht they did today.

 

[Havetts]

Gesink regardless of cramp should of given it a go.

What? I dunno, but to do a move with cramps to beat Gilbert? Suppose you havent had cramps then ..

 

[Mellow Velo]

Can't wait for Dekker Tifosi to see this thread, when he gets off the Cauberg.
Makes a change from the usual Sky bashing.

I'm sure we won't be short of thread volunteers the next time Cadel crumbles.

 

[La Pandera]

I personally they didn't play the race tatics very well. Barredo and LLS looked quite strong. I think they initially rode to early on the front to split it up. I thought Martens and Gesink regardless of cramp should of given it a go. A lot if riders generally have cramp after 250km's. Just my opinion. I feel I have been singled out here even though I did make this thread. Again, others have agreed with me.


I think "loser" is too stronger of a word. Nobody is a loser as that is quite a mean word.

How can you be singled out? You started this thread and with that comes the responsibility of dealing with the responses to your chosen subject. Man up dude and stop whining!

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I personally they didn't play the race tatics very well. Barredo and LLS looked quite strong. I think they initially rode to early on the front to split it up. I thought Martens and Gesink regardless of cramp should of given it a go. A lot if riders generally have cramp after 250km's. Just my opinion. I feel I have been singled out here even though I did make this thread. Again, others have agreed with me.


I think "loser" is too stronger of a word. Nobody is a loser as that is quite a mean word.

you obviously don't ride
if you don't have the legs, you don't have the legs. simple.

no offense but your aggresive thread and posts like "loser" is the exact reason why people are picking on you. And like I said earlier a lot of the guys (other then nick) are at least acknoweging that rabo were simply not good enough.

An argument, they should have given it a go is no basis for this thread. They didn't have it in them. This is not the first time something like this happens,a nd not the last. Rabo played thier cards right, and failed. They never looked like winning tho.

 

[Archibald]

What? I dunno, but to do a move with cramps to beat Gilbert? Suppose you havent had cramps then ..

was just thinking the same. I cramped at the base of a climb and there was no way I could stay with the group I was in

 

[Bala Verde]

I cramped also when I saw this race unfold from the moment we had live images...

But just like me, Gesink and the lot should have persevered and bite through the pain...

 

[la.margna]

the felt that they lacked the power and form to have a chance to win, confirmed by the result, so did it as good as they could and rode fine. you can't always win.