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anonymous_1 said:
It's no problem. My Giro is almost finished.
Thanks a lot! So here is my first stage:

Giro d' Italia Stage 1 Reggio Calabria-Terme Luigiane 207.2 km Flat with uphill finish

The first climb of the day is Barriterri which is 3rd category with 13km at %4 as the climb should form the breakaway. Then after taking some uncategorized hills, with 2.5 km to go the peloton starts to go uphill. They go uphill all the way to the outskirts of Terme Luigiane and have the finish there. This is a lifetime chance for riders like Gilbert to wear the maglia rosa.

Barritteri (3rd Category, 540 m, 13.2 Km at 4.0%, Km 43.9)
Terme Luigiane (4th Category, 131 m, 2.4 Km at 5.1%, Arrive)
Apr 27, 2017
Giro d'Italia stage 18: Rieti - Monte Terminillo (ITT) (19 km)

After an easy stage, this is the final high mountain stage. And yes, it's an MTT. The start is in Rieti, where stage 17 finished. The climb to Monte Terminillo aka Sella di Leonessa is very isolated, there are no other hard climbs surrounding it. A climbing time trial is maybe the best way to use it, instead of a _____/ stage.

The finish is on the Monte Terminillo, but not at the highest point of the pass because there's no parking space over there. The final part of the climb won't be really missed, because it's partially false flat. This is the profile, until Campoforogna (5 km from the actual top). As you can see, there are some parts of 8-9% which makes this climb hard. There is a time check at Rosce Caffè, a restaurant located halfway up the climb.

cat. 1, Monte Terminillo (19,5 km @ 6,5%)

Apr 27, 2017
Giro d'Italia stage 19: Terni - San Quirico d'Orcia (179 km)

The penultimate stage starts in Terni, not far from Rieti. Shortly after the start there is an easy hill to San Pellegrino, which could decide the breakaway. The stage remains easy - for now - and goes to Orvieto, a city dating back as far as the Etruscan age. However, the route doesn't go through the old part of the town (located on a volcanic hill) but only through Orvieto Scalo (below the hill). There is an intermediate sprint in Orvieto Scalo, shortly followed by the feed zone in Sferracavallo.

Not long after leaving Orvieto, things start to get interesting. The riders will have to face this. That's right, sterrato. The first section of the day is 6,5 km long and contains a climb within. The climb isn't hard, but the road becomes narrow after a while. The gravel is also rough in some places. The riders that want to win will have to be at the front very early.

After this first section, the riders head to Castel Giorgio but just before entering the town, they take a right turn and enter the second sterrato sector of the day. It's not a hard sector, but the first part is on a narrow road. On the first two sectors, there won't be team cars, just like on many cobble sections in Paris-Roubaix. The sector is 1400 m long. The third sector (1300 m) is almost immediately after it, again not too hard and this time the road is even reasonably wide. It ends on the region border between Umbria and Lazio. Again, it doesn't last long until the next sector. It's just 600 m long, but quite rough and on a narrow road.

After four sectors, the riders get some rest but things should have been shaken up. There is an intermediate sprint in Acquapendente. Then there is a short downhill followed by 10 km of easy flat roads, before they pass through Ponte a Rigo and the roads turn white again.

The longest sector of the day starts, and it's the longest one of the day at 9,5 km. It starts flat but after a few km it goes uphill, although it isn't steep. The gravel isn't rough, but at some places there are stones in the middle of the road. Some pictures: the flat section, the uphill part (2). It's also a part of the Via Francigena, a pilgrim route from Canterbury to Rome (although in the other direction). After the sterrato ends, it's just 1 km to the top of the climb, located within the village of Radicofani.

The riders take a descent to the Formone river, where another climb starts. This time it's on normal asphalted roads. It is on the slopes of the Monte Amiata, but the riders won't go to the top. The first few km are steep, with a 10% section of 2,5 km in length. After passing through Campiglia d'Orcia, the climb gets easier with also a short flat section. The top is located just outside the village of Vivo d'Orcia. One could make the climb a bit harder by taking the road through Belvedere, but it's not a big difference as the hardest part is still before Campiglia d'Orcia.

The downhill doesn't start immediately, but there is 7 km of false flat (with a short actual downhill section in it) first. It's not a difficult descent, but there are some turns. However, what comes next will cause some havoc. The riders take a narrow road onto a short but very steep climb. And after a few hundred meters, it becomes sterrato too. Overall, the climb to Poggioferro is 1,3 km at over 12% average.

The descent is on an asphalted road and not steep, so the sterrato climb to Poggioferro is perfectly usable. The next sterrato section starts with a very short downhill part, but it becomes uphill after a while. It's also steep, the average slope is 9,4%. On the descent the riders pass through Castiglione d'Orcia, but there are also some hairpin bends.

Right after the descent, the final climb and sterrato section starts. It's named after the village of Bagno Vignoni, at the foot of the hill. It's another steep one, being 10% average. The sterrato isn't hard, but it will have an influence. The descent of the Bagno Vignoni climb is also mostly on sterrato, but it doesn't contain any sharp corners so it should be doable. The finish is in San Quirico d'Orcia, just 1 km after the final sterrato section ends.

This stage should create quite some gaps and make the winner of this Giro a very all-around rider. The disadvantage of this stage is that the Giro may be decided by bad luck. However, the riders can adapt to it by choosing the right equipment.

cat. 3, San Pellegrino (3,7 km @ 5,8%)
cat. 3, Citerno (3,6 km @ 7,3%)
cat. 2, Radicofani (8,9 km @ 5,2%)
cat. 2, Vivo d'Orcia (10,9 km @ 4,8%)
cat. 4, Poggioferro (1,3 km @ 12,4%)
cat. 3, Poggio Rosa (2,6 km @ 9,4%)
cat. 3, Bagno Vignoni (2,5 km @ 10,2%)

Giro d'Italia Stage 3 Monopoli-Potenza 190.2 km Flat
Miglionico (4th Category, 424 m, 8.3 Km at 3.8%, Km 101.3)
Potenza-Via dei Molinari (4th Category, 796 m, 2.4 Km at 4.6%, Km 184.3).

The 3rd stage of my Il Giro starts from on the coastal city of Monopoli, which has close to 50,000 inhabitants.

After 20 km, the first intermediate sprint of the day is on Putignano.

After 75 kms the 2nd intermediate sprint of the day is in Matera, which was the finish of 5th stage of the Giro 2013, where John Degenkolb won.

The first categorized climb of the day is Miglionico, around 8 kms in a bit less than %4. After the descent of Miglionico, the road starts to go uphill, with very low percentages. With around 8 kms to go we start climbing to Potenza. With 5.9 km to go the 2nd and last categorized climb of the day is crested in the outskirts of Potenza. It is 2.4 kms with 4.6 average gradient. Then after some short descending and climbing parts we finish the stage in Corso Garibaldi after a short descent. This should be a stage for Sagans and Gavirias of this world, and they need to use it properly, because the next 3 days won't be for them.

Apr 27, 2017
Giro d'Italia stage 20: Siena - Firenze (110 km)

So here it is, the final stage of this Giro. The start is in Siena, known for being the finishing place of Strade Bianche. From the start, the route goes to the Northwest. The route passes through the city of Poggibonsi, followed by Certaldo, where an intermediate sprint takes place.

The next place on the route is Castelfiorentino. The first hill of the day, to Calenzano II, is after 60 km of racing. It's an easy one. The second intermediate sprint is in Empoli. Not much later the riders pass through Montelupo Fiorentino, but they won't climb the hill that's on the picture.

The second climb of the day - and the last climb of the entire Giro - starts in the village of Cerbaia and goes to Chiesanuova. It's nothing hard, being only 4% steep. There is a short, slightly technical descent to Galluzzo Certosa. From there, the only uphill road the riders will see is just some false flat. The riders enter Firenze, which will be the finishing city of this Giro. The finish is at the Piazza delle Libertà.

A bunch sprint is to be expected, given the short length of the stage. It's the 6th sprinting stage of this Giro, or the 7th if you count the stage to Benevento. Overall this Giro should attract some strong sprinters, who won't drop out early.

cat. 4, Calenzano II (2,5 km @ 5,1%)
cat. 4, Chiesanuova (2,3 km @ 3,9%)


(Wed) stage 3: Andalo - Ultental, 133 km

The third day of this race sees its only mountain top finish. It's a short stage, but includes more than 4.000 meters of climbing. We start in Andalo, just down the road from Molveno, where the previous stage had ended.

We begin with the descent from Andalo, then cross Val di Non and climb Gampenjoch.

A long descent brings us to the valley of the river Etsch. We turn left into Ultental (Val d'Ultimo) and immediately start climbing again.

The elevation from Etsch valley to the finish is over 1.500 meters. However, we don't take the direct route to the top. Instead we take the scenic road via Mariolberg, which means even more climbing.

Mariolberg is 8,5 km at 8,6%. This includes a section of 1,5 km at 11% near the top.

We descend to the village of Ulten, home of Dominik Paris. There is another short climb (3,1 km at 9,6%) along Zoggler Stausee. The final part of this multi-stepped climb leads to the Weißbrunnsee. The first kilometers are fairly easy, but are followed by a section of 3,7 km at 10%. This will certainly sort the men from the boys.

The final 1,5 km are easy along the lake.

Great race so far, fauniera. Using many unknown climbs.
Here comes the 4th stage of my Giro.
Giro d' Italia Stage 4 Brienza-Monte Faito 173.9 km Mountain Top Finish

Valico di Chiunzi (2nd Category, 655 m, 12.1 Km at 5.4%, Km 135.0)
Monte Faito (1st Category, 1264 m, 18.5 Km at 6.6%, Arrive)

4th stage of my Il Giro starts from the town of Brienza.

There are some climbs in the first 50 km that can be categorized but I was pretty lazy to do. The first intermediate sprint of the day is on the town of Eboli. After hitting the coast and riding a bit there, we have the 2nd intermediate sprint of the day, in Salerno.



Then with more than 50 km to go, things get a bit more serious. Valico di Chiunzi, 12,1 km at %5,4 is the first 2nd category climb of my Giro. The climb is pretty regular and has its steepest kilometer as the last.

After a descent and a flat part, we have the final climb of the day, and the first 1st category climb of my Il Giro, Monte Faito! The climb has its steepest parts between km 2,5 and 8,5. The remaining part still has kms in %7 and %6. The climb overall is 18,5 km at %6.6 as we will be going to the top. And this climb should do pretty big damage, because the climbers need lots of time against almost 120 km of ITT.

Monte Faito:

(Fri) stage 5: Sterzing (Vipiteno) - Anras, 177 km

The final stage of this race is a hard one.



Staller Sattel

The finale takes place on Pustertaler Höhenstraße. Two brutally steep climbs have to be tackled in a row. First Bannberg, then St. Justina.

Bannberg from the east is 6 km at 9,4%.The second half of this climb includes a section of 1,4 km at 12,8%.

We descend on the Römerweg to the south. That's the road zig-zagging on the right of this picture:

St. Justina is 5,2 km at 10,9%. The final 11 km are on rolling terrain, typical Höhenstraße.


Race overview
Giro d' Italia Stage 5 Caserta-Pescocotanzo 213.66 km Medium Mountain

5th stage of my Il Giro is a challenging and punishing stage from Caserta to Pescocotanzo with more than 4700m of vertical meters gained in more than 210 km.

Guardia Sanframondi (3rd Category, 463 m, 7.6 Km at 5.3%, Km 56.4)
Bocca della Selva (1st Category, 1390 m, 17.0 Km at 5.9%, Km 91.8)
Campitello Matese (3rd Category, 1633 m, 8.0 Km at 4.7%, Km 103.8)
Valico di Macerone (4th Category, 686 m, 3.8 Km at 5.2%, Km 157.1)
Rionero Sannitico (2nd Category, 1030 m, 9.1 Km at 6.7%, Km 169.7)
Pietransieri (2nd Category, 1347 m, 10.6 Km at 5.8%, Km 201.6)
Rivisondoli (4th Category, 1339 m, 1.7 Km at 6.4%, Km 210.7)
Pescocotanzo (1350 m, 1.3 Km at 5.5%, Arrive)

We start the stage in the city of Caserta.

After an uncetgorized climb (which should be categorized) establishing the breakaway, we have our first categorized climb of the day, Guardia Sanframondi, 7.6 km at %5.3. The climb is 3rd category.

Then, things get serious as Bocca della Selva via Molino del Tierno starts. The climb starts with some steep gradients and after 5kms there is a false flat of a km. Then the next 3 kms are easier at %4-6. Then after another short descent/false flat part the last 5-6 kms are at %6-7, with the last 700 meters averaging almost %10. This climb was used in Giro d' Italia 2016 stage 6 to Roccaraso, with Alessandro Bisolti summiting the climb as leader. The stage was eventually won by Tim Wellens.


Then we have a short descent and a 3rd category climb to Campitello Matese which is around 8 km at %4.7.
After a descent and flat/rolling terrain we have an intermediate sprint at Isernia.

On the outskirts of Isernia we have our 4th categorized climb of the day, Valico di Macerone. A short, not steep climb. But it should sap the riders' legs even more before our next climb of the day. The climb featured in the 7th stage of 2008 Giro and 11th stage of 2010 Giro and both of them were excellent stages.

The next climb of the day is Rionero Sannitico. With 9.1 km at %6.7, this is a 2nd category climb in this Giro and gets crested with 44 kilometers to go. And the stats don't tell the truth since there are 2 kms of %2 in the middle which makes the climb look easier than it is. This one should hurt and the peloton should get much smaller, to 15-25 riders. Perhaps even an attack by a GC contender who lost time in the first 4 days. Just like Valico di Macerone, the climb featured in the 7th stage of 2008 Giro and 11th stage of 2010 Giro and both of them were excellent stages.

After a false flat like descent and some flat kilometers we have another climb, Pietransieri. Another 2nd category climb with 10 km at %6, and the race should explode here after 190 kilometers and many hard climbs before. Just like the previous 2 climbs, this climb was also featured in the 7th stage of 2008 Giro. By the time, the climb is crested there are only 12.1 kilometers left.

After a short descent there is the 2nd and last intermediate sprint of the day in Roccaraso at which point there is only 8.5 km left.

The last 5 km features two small climbs to Rivisondoli and Pescocotanzo which are 1.7 km at %6.4 and 1.3 km at %5.5 respectively, as the finish is 200 m after the latter. And the climb to Rivisondoli is categorized as category 4 while the finish in Pescocotanzo is not categorized. This should be a punishing day with may climbs.
Pescocotanzo was the finish location of the 7th stage of 2008 Giro d' Italia and the stage was won by Gabriele Bosisio with Saunier Duval going ballistic and only Contador and Di Luca managing to follow them. (Thanks to BikeRaceInfo for the top 10 of that stage)

1 Gabriele Bosisio (LPR) 4hr 45min 5sec. 37.041 km/hr
2 Vasil Kiryienka (Tinkoff) @ 46sec
3 Emanuele Sella (CSF) @ 1min 2sec
4 Felix Rafael Cardenas (Barloworld) @ 1min 33sec
5 Danilo Di Luca (LPR) @ 2min 4sec
6 Riccardo Riccò (Saunier Duval) s.t.
7 Leonardo Piepoli (Saunier Duval) @ 2min 7sec
8 Alberto Contador (Astana) @ 2min 10sec
9 Davide Rebellin (Gerolsteiner) @ 2min 55sec
10 Franco Pellizotti (Liquigas) s.t.
Also: Kloden, Liepheimer, Simoni, Savoldelli and Menchov @ 2min 55sec


Giro d' Italia Stage 6 Montesilvano-Porto Sant' Elpidio 173.8 km Hilly

Cossignano (3rd Category, 370 m, 2.8 Km at 8.5%, Km 96.5)
Carassai (4th Category, 313 m, 3.3 Km at 5.8%, Km 105.8)
Monterubbiano (3rd Category, 372 m, 4.5 Km at 5.9%, Km 117.6)
Fermo (4th Category, 225 m, 1.8 Km at 8.6%, Km 128.2)
Monte Urano (4th Category, 241 m, 3.0 Km at 6.1%, Km 138.8)
Montegranaro (4th Category, 196 m, 3.1 Km at 4.8%, Km 145.4)
Vagli (4th Category, 221 m, 2.2 Km at 6.4%, Km 149.6)
Montegranaro (3rd Category, 229 m, 1.2 Km at 13.6%, Km 152.8)
Sant' Elpidio a Mare (3rd Category, 237 m, 2.7 Km at 7.7%, Km 160.0)
Casette d'Ete (4th Category, 150 m, 1.0 Km at 10.2%, Km 165.1)

A brutal hilly stage with many walls and hills near the Adriatic sea. There are 2 intermediate sprints, one on Fermo and one after on Montegranaro after the first pass of the climb.



The final climbs are mostly similar to the climbs used in the 2013 T-A stage 6, and boy the stage was great. Sagan won the stage outsprinting Nibbles and Purito and Nibbles took the lead from Froome after a great ride. And with the next stage being much easier this stage should be carnage.


Porto Sant' Elpidio:
Apr 27, 2017
Nice stage, that second Montegranaro climb looks hard. And two 30% walls in short time on the Race Design Thread... :cool:

Anyway, I'll have to decide what to post next. I have a few ideas:
- a Tour of Austria
- a Tour de France with foreign Grand Départ
- a completely fantasy GT (no Tour, Giro or Vuelta). It has been done before here.
- a WCh/ECh/NCh route. I have multiple ones, all but two are in Europe:
1. An easy route with only very short hills.
2. A hard route, with a serious climb and a smaller hill (like Firenze).
3. A circuit with (easy) cobbles.
4. Another route with small hills. This one is most complete.
5. A route with a hard climb, outside Europe.
6. A circuit with 3 climbs, highest one about 120 m elevation.
7. Another non-European course, with one big climb (160 m) and two small ones.
8. A circuit with 4 climbs, highest one about 160 m elevation.

anonymous_1 said:
Nice stage, that second Montegranaro climb looks hard. And two 30% walls in short time on the Race Design Thread... :cool:

Anyway, I'll have to decide what to post next. I have a few ideas:
- a Tour of Austria
- a Tour de France with foreign Grand Départ
- a completely fantasy GT (no Tour, Giro or Vuelta). It has been done before here.
- a WCh/ECh/NCh route. I have multiple ones, all but two are in Europe:
1. An easy route with only very short hills.
2. A hard route, with a serious climb and a smaller hill (like Firenze).
3. A circuit with (easy) cobbles.
4. Another route with small hills. This one is most complete.
5. A route with a hard climb, outside Europe.
6. A circuit with 3 climbs, highest one about 120 m elevation.
7. Another non-European course, with one big climb (160 m) and two small ones.
8. A circuit with 4 climbs, highest one about 160 m elevation.
Thanks a lot!
Also is any of the WCH/ECH/NCH routes in Turkey? If so then definitely do it. :razz:
If not, then I would go for either a WCH/ECH/NCH route or a fantasy GT.
I loved the initiative of Nordic Series so I am posting a ski resort here, even though it may not be suitable for nordic events (ski jumping, croos country, nordic combined)

Port del Comte, Spain

Port del Comte is a ski resort in Catalunya, Spain. This ski resort is really well connected with some other climbs and I made 5 stages with finish in this ski resort.

Proposal 1 : Vic-Port del Comte 236,8 km
Collada de Bracons (2nd Category, 1129 m, 6.6 Km at 6.0%, Km 29.1)
Collada de Sentigosa (2nd Category, 1058 m, 13.4 Km at 4.5%, Km 58.7)
Collada de Toses (2nd Category, 1786 m, 10.8 Km at 6.0%, Km 110.0)
Coll de la Creuta (4th Category, 1921 m, 2.4 Km at 6.7%, Km 117.3)
Collada Sobirana (2nd Category, 1206 m, 6.0 Km at 6.5%, Km 146.5)
Collada Sant Isidre (2nd Category, 1110 m, 5.0 Km at 8.7%, Km 163.9)
Coll de Fumanya (Hors Catégorie, 1563 m, 11.6 Km at 8.0%, Km 183.6)
Coll de Pradell (2nd Category, 1732 m, 3.3 Km at 11.4%, Km 189.1)
Coll de Josa (3rd Category, 1624 m, 8.6 Km at 3.8%, Km 205.3)
Coll de Port (2nd Category, 1668 m, 9.9 Km at 5.5%, Km 226.4)
Port del Comte (3rd Category, 1753 m, 6.3 Km at 5.2%, Arrive)




Creuta: (the last 2.5 km of the climb, from the end of the Toses descent in that profile, you can also see the false flat and descent after Toses there)


Sant Isidre:



Coll de Port+Port del Comte:

PS: The stage takes the tunnel on the road to Bracons instead of the road from Torello, that is a mistake.

The stage should probably be in the 3rd week of La Vuelta, perhaps as the 20th stage. Then the last stage can be a Montjuic circuit in Barcelona.
Proposal 2: Andorra la Vella-Port de Comte 212,9 km

Port d'Envalira (Hors Catégorie, 2406 m, 28.0 Km at 5.1%, Km 28.5)
Coll de la Creuta (2nd Category, 1922 m, 18.0 Km at 4.1%, Km 93.6)
Collada Sobirana (2nd Category, 1206 m, 6.0 Km at 6.5%, Km 122.7)
Collada Sant Isidre (2nd Category, 1110 m, 5.0 Km at 8.7%, Km 140.0)
Coll de Fumanya (Hors Catégorie, 1564 m, 11.6 Km at 8.0%, Km 159.8)
Coll de Pradell (2nd Category, 1730 m, 3.3 Km at 11.3%, Km 165.3)
Coll de Josa (3rd Category, 1624 m, 8.6 Km at 3.8%, Km 181.4)
Coll de Port (2nd Category, 1667 m, 9.9 Km at 5.4%, Km 202.6)
Port del Comte (3rd Category, 1742 m, 6.2 Km at 5.1%, Arrive)

This stage would be used in La Vuelta since it is too hard for Volta a Catalunya. The biggest difference that this stage has is that Envalira is the opening climb and maybe even the highest point of La Vuelta, Creuta being climbed from the different side and that the stage starts in Andorra so stage 19 should be a tough mountain stage too Rabassa-Comella-Beixalis(Ordino)-Gallina-Rabassa MTF or Canto-Gallina-Rabassa MTF or Rabassa-Ordino-Beixalis-Gllina-Rabassa MTF then the stage 20 would be this proposal.


Forgot to put the link of 2nd proposal. Edited to put it.

Proposal 3: Tarrega-Port del Comte 158.6 km

Coll de Comiols (2nd Category, 1100 m, 18.6 Km at 4.2%, Km 53.9)
Coll de Faidella (2nd Category, 1233 m, 13.1 Km at 4.7%, Km 78.7)
Coll de Boixols (4th Category, 1329 m, 2.5 Km at 4.8%, Km 88.7)
Coll de la Veça (2nd Category, 1260 m, 15.6 Km at 4.7%, Km 125.9)
Port del Comte (2nd Category, 1748 m, 11.0 Km at 4.1%, Arrive)

This proposal would be most suited as a stage for Volta a Catalunya or as a stage in the first week of the Vuelta to bring some small gaps and separating the riders who have a good from and the riders who are in bad form.


Faidella+Boixols: (from the intersection Coll de Comiols)

Port del Comte: (last 9-10 kms of the profile)