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Just like last year I've mapped an alternative Lombardia course, though not as radical as the last one.

There's three things that are changeable:

1) The start. It could be from Milano or Bergamo. Either way it should be mostly flat and make the total length of the race between 240 and 265km (longer is preferable).

2) Muro or no Muro. I've mapped it without since the road isn't there in Google Maps.

3) The 10km Civiglio loop. This can be dropped. I don't really like the the course crossing itself, and maybe riders will hesitate on Sormano b/c of this.

Link to the course.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
I'd consider a Lombardia route without Madonna del Ghisallo to be sacrilegious and difficult to really give the name to, but it would make a nice race for sure, with the length making it a real sufferfest.
I suppose it could be added in for traditions sake, but at the expense of Via Selva, for one, for another, the start would have to be at Bellagio, and for a third, it would be the very first climb of the race. In other words, what's the point?
 
Stage 19: Bagnères-de-Bigorre - Bagnères-de-Bigorre, 191km, high mountains

It's been a while since I posted stage 18 of my fantasy 2014 TDF, but I've been on vacation for a month and afterwards I didn't really care.

Originally the current stage 18 was stage 19, and for stage 18 I designed this, but discussions on several threads made me redesign the last mountain stages of this tour.
Instead of the French Basque insanity I drew a more traditional course, to some extents.

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This stage is a round trip, so the non-climbers can save themselves the trouble of even starting.
The race starts on wide, rolling roads to the foot of the already (in)famous Port de Balès. This climb is quickly followed by the Col de Peyresourde, Col d'Azet and Hourquette d'Ancizan. An 18km long descent is followed by the climb of the Col de Peyras. Admitted, it's on very narrow roads, that I tried to avoid in the French Basque country. But in that region almost every climb is on narrow roads, while here there are at least some on wider roads, suited to a passage of the tdf. The col de Peyras is followed by the steep(ish) and short(ish) col de Couret, the last real cimb of this tour.

Climbs:
Côte de Haut de la Côte: km2, 1.5km@5.4%, 4th cat
Côte de Mauvezin: km15.5, 3.4km@5.6%, 3rd cat
Port de Balès, km74, 18.8km@6.3%, HC
Col de Peyresourde: km99, 9.8km@7.6%, 1st cat
Col d'Azet: km117, 7.5km@8.3%, 1st cat
Hourquette d'Ancizan: km141, 10.3km@7.8%, 1st cat
Col de Peyras: km166.5, 6.8km@7.8%, 2nd cat
Col du Couret: km179, 5.5km@8.8%, 2nd cat
(starting from km5 on the climbbybike profile)

Intermediate sprint: Sainte-Marie-de-Campan, km 157
 
With the real Giro having stolen a bit of my thunder over the last couple of days, back to Italy... for a similar type of stage to the ones the real one is serving up.

Stage 5: Isola del Liri - Tivoli Terme, 166km

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Climbs:
Genzano di Roma (cat.4) 6,3km @ 4,7%

Yes, this is a pure transitional stage moving up towards the erstwhile capital city, through the terrain of Roma Maxima/the reborn Giro del Lazio. Perhaps the most dramatic sight during the stage will be the beautiful waterfall in the departure town...

However, this is a very straightforward stage; the only climb, into the picturesque Genzano di Roma, is pretty gradual, though the last 2km average over 7%. But being nearly 60km from the finish, the summit on the edge of the storied volcanic lake that is Lago di Nemi is all we will see of the Colli Albani, and unlikely to have much effect come the end of the race. There is a lap of a circuit around the finishing town of Tivoli Terme, and there will be a sprint. While I am trying to do some unusual things with this course and also trying to balance the route, this is the last chance the fastmen will get for a while, so they'd best make use of it.

Isola del Liri:
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6K at 10% is hardly a murito :p

I wanted to finish at the top of the second to last climb but that wouldn't be realistic and linking with any other climb would mean adding flat sections instead of a simple downhill.

And yes all roads are doable, 2 lanes roads all the way except for the very last part of the last climb which has the last 100 or so meters on an wind power park with lots of space to put the entire caravan as the roads need to be like 4 lanes or more wide for the trucks carrying the windmill parts to move around.

I don't know how serious the vertical meters thing should be taken but if this really has 5k meters of ascent wouldn't it actually be harder then anything the Volta has presented us in years? :eek: Also the last 3 climbs are very well linked giving opportunities for early attacks.
 
roundabout said:
Looks nice. What's up with a murito at the end though? :p

Are all the roads doable?

A very nice design, indeed.
Regarding the elevation gain: tracks for bikers is mostly quite correct (bar the occasional tunnel), depending on filter you choose: medium gives an overestimaton of 10-20%, high an overestimation of up to 10%. That means the total elevation gain would be a bit more than 4000m in reality, which is comparable to the hardest stages in tour or giro.
 
trevim said:
Knowing the area and passing through Lamas de Mouro, I bet it's a very beautiful stage. Can you link the map please?

It would have some great views, the climbs i know better from that route are the last 3 and all of them have fantastic views. About the map, right now i am too busy for that but tomorrow morning i will take care of it.

Libertine Seguros said:
If race organisers were happy to put finishes at a Parque Eólico, then northern Portugal and Galicia could host some brutal races.

Well if they didn't want to finish at the parque eólico all they had to do is put the finish line 100 or 200 meters down on the normal road and only use the parque for parking vehicles and stuff like that.
 
Stage 6: Rieti - Monte Prata (Rifugio La Baita), 150km

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Climbs:
Monte Terminillo-Sella Leonessa (cat.1) 21,0km @ 6,6%
Forca di Ancarano (cat.3) 6,7km @ 6,3%
Pian dell'Arco (cat.3) 7,6km @ 6,5%
Monte Prata-Rifugio La Baita (cat.1) 11,9km @ 8,0%

We introduce the real mountains on the first Friday of the Giro, a bit of a strange time but then the weekend ahead is hard. In typical Giro fashion the opening mountain stage is not the toughest, but it will certainly be able to tell you who is not going to compete this year. This is a short stage, the shortest mass start stage of the entire race in fact, and so there's little excuse for riders not to really go for it here.

We start things off by giving the riders absolutely no time to settle into the stage, instead they are sent straight up by far the hardest climb of the race thus far, and a well-known Giro classic, which has held 7 stage finishes dating back all the way to 1936 - the epic vistas of Monte Terminillo. The pass at the highest motorable point of the mountain is called the Sella Leonessa, and it is both long and hard, and since there is no lead-in at all to the stage, we can practically guarantee a strong break since the mountain's slopes will force selectivity.

This is by far the toughest climb on the stage, however, as I wanted to keep this one short and sharp. The Forca di Rua la Cama would perhaps have been categorised in an easier stage, but here it's just a speedbump, before the 3rd category Forca di Ancarano as the riders get their first glimpses of the Monti Sibillini, where we are headed. A period of downhill and false flat takes us to the scenic location of Visso for an intermediate sprint ahead of the one-two punch of climbs to finish. The road to the pass just beneath the ski station at Frontignano-Pian dell'Arco is not especially difficult, but given that it tops out just 19km from the finish it does have options to be used as a platform to attack, especially given the steep and technical descent into the very pretty Castelsantangelo sul Nera leading straight into the final climb, which has never been used in Il Giro before.

Above the Passo Gualdo, a tricky climb in the Monti Sibillini, you can continue to climb up towards the summit of Monte Prata, before reaching a ski summit and mountain refuge at La Baita, some 3,5km further up the mountainside. This produces a perfect type of finishing climb for our first major mountain stage; it's long enough to ensure that the bunch is cut down to its essentials but not so long that the gaps are insurmountable in the face of the stages to come; it's steep enough to ensure that gaps will be created, but not steep enough that the stage will be a brutal survival of the fittest. And as this is the Giro, it's also fitting that the scenery is glorious too. The climb wears its toughest gradients at the bottom as well, though there are a couple of serious ramps closer to the finish, particularly at the 9km mark; the last few kilometres, while still notably uphill, are not as strenuous as the first half of the climb, so there's still scope for those late attacks taking advantage of that last 14% ramp near the end to escape for the win.

Placing the first MTF on a Friday ahead of the weekend may seem like an odd choice, but I have my reasons.

Rieti:
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Rifugio la Baita:
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Parrulo said:
It would have some great views, the climbs i know better from that route are the last 3 and all of them have fantastic views. About the map, right now i am too busy for that but tomorrow morning i will take care of it.
Nah, it's fine you don't have to. I just assumed tracks4bikers worked out like map my ride where you need to save (and get a link) :)
 
I consider this to be one of my best stage designs full stop.

Stage 7: Ascoli Piceno - Macerata, 177km

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Climbs:
Potenza Picena (cat.4) 2,7km @ 6,4%
Montelupone (cat.3) 1,8km @ 12,3%
Macerata (cat.4) 2,3km @ 8,4%
Montefano (cat.4) 3,0km @ 4,5%
Recanati-Monte Conero (cat.4) 3,8km @ 6,2%
Montelupone (cat.3) 1,8km @ 12,3%
Macerata (cat.4) 2,3km @ 8,4%

Yes, after an MTF on the Friday, a hilly stage on the Saturday, perhaps a bit of a surprise. But really, this one should create some really chaotic racing and should be a lot of fun as things will be extremely hard to control, with seven categorised climbs and a couple more uncategorised ones as well, looping through heartlands of Tirreno-Adriatico.

The stage eases the riders in; with the first half, almost all of it along the Adriatic coast in Abruzzo, being absolutely pan flat. Only if the wind is blowing will there be any trouble here. However, once the first 90km are up and the second half of the stage begins, all hell breaks loose. The first climb of the day is a couple of kilometres long and maxing out at 17% into one of the many picturesque hilltop towns in the region, Potenza Picena, which is well known among women's cycling fans as the home of former Junior World Champion turned disability campaigner Marina Romoli, whose recovery from a paralysing back injury became a major story in Italian U23 and women's cycling a couple of years ago and whose charity is a co-sponsor of Bardiani Valvole as well as being supported and patronised by a number of Italian pros such as Valerio Agnoli, Salvatore Puccio, Manuel Belletti and of course her fiancée Matteo Pelucchi. [plug over] After this, about 6km of downhill takes us to the toughest climb of the day, and a well known - though only used a small number of times - climb of the area, the instant classic that is Il Muro di Montelupone, otherwise known as "Cima Joaquím Rodríguez" after the only man to triumph on its epic, moto-killing slopes. Revisit the 2008 climb here, where the legend of Murito was born.

Of course, there are over 70km remaining from here, but we're far from done with it. There's about 9-9,5km of rolling terrain with a little downhill, then we hit another climb, this one steep but not quite as steep as Il Muro. This takes us into the day's stage town of Macerata, from the river crossing to the direct east. In fact, apart from the first, shallow descending section (which is replaced by a shorter, steeper bit of descending out of Montelupone), this section is identical to the closing stages of the 2011 Tirreno-Adriatico stage which was won by Cadel Evans, as shown here.

From here, the riders go on a long loop including a number of other climbs, whether they be uncategorised (the gradual ascent into the scenic Montecassiano with 47km to go, or the 500m at 9% into the hamlet of Spaccio Bagnolo with 35km to go) or worthy of categorisation (Montefano, gradual but comparatively long and with a max gradient of 9% and topping out with 40km to go, or the very tough climb into Recanati, which is the longest climb of the day and maxes out with 26km remaining.

Realistically I would expect the first serious moves to be on that Recanati climb, although only secondary contenders and stagehunters are likely to make the big moves then. However a high pace over the earlier climbs, particularly the first three, should have left most of the top names short on domestiques by this time. This will mean they may have to do a bit of work themselves on the flat after Recanati - which isn't very long - to pull back attacking moves, although that may leave them vulnerable when they reach the next climb, which is a second go at Montelupone! That's right, Montelupone will lead us into the final uphill finish in Macerata, finishing in the town square as per the Tirreno-Adriatico stages in 2010 and 2011; however while those finishing battles were exciting, do not expect such a large group coming in together in this stage, for Il Muro di Montelupone crests with 12km remaining on the day, and given just how steep and nasty that climb is, it's hard to see them soft-pedalling that one. So it could be small groups and individuals head to head on the awkward slopes of Macerata, which vary from false flat to wall, sometimes within the same hundred metres. After all, look at the time gaps opened by Montelupone in Tirreno, and imagine the riders coming to the top with those with a whole further climb to look forward to - yes, this is not a big mountain stage, but I really do feel it's a worthy weekend stage.

Ascoli Piceno:
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Macerata:
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Super fun Saturday stage - really well crafted.

Also enjoying the first MTT - how would you feel about going a few km further south down that that little descent from Passo Gualdo for a little "muro" finish in Castelluccio? Cause that's been on my mind for a Giro for quite a while with a similar lead-in.
 
Stage 8: Rimini - San Marino Città (SMO), 55,3km (ITT)

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Climbs:
San Marino-Seconda Torre (cat.2) 9,1km @ 5,7%

This is a real moment of tradition in the Giro. Quick, off the top of your head, what's the most commonly-used uphill finish in Giro history? Most of your guesses would be wrong. For the most commonly-used uphill finish in the history of the Giro is in fact the various routes - all uphill - into San Marino Città. Yes, that's right, the most frequent finishing climb ever in the Giro isn't even in Italy. San Marino has hosted stage finishes on no fewer than 12 occasions, from 1951 through to the most recent stage finish, in 1998. It was commonly used in the 1950s and 1960s, however its use since then has fallen out of favour, and only 3 stages have been held finishing in the World's Oldest Republic since then. Interestingly, of the 12 stages finishing in San Marino Città, eight of them have been time trials; three of these from Rimini as per today's stage, two from Cenesatico, two from within San Marino and one from Santarcangelo di Romagna. Also, one of the four road stages into the country started in Rimini, so Rimini to San Marino is a stage filled with Giro history, even if none of the genuine stages were as long as the one I have for the riders today.

Going into the rest day and with yesterday's leg-breaking Tirreno-Adriatico type stage in the legs, the riders will not be too pleased to see the longest time trial of the race in store for them, that's for sure. Starting outside Il Grand Hotel di Rimini, after a few technical corners in Rimini itself the first part of the route is a real test of power, a completely flat and almost entirely straight 12km drag race to Bellaria, all along the coast, so also susceptible to wind. Rouleurs and time trial specialists will surely take this opportunity to put some serious time into competitors. After the race turns inland, it turns to slight uphill, but to the point of being barely perceptible as the riders head through Savignano sul Rubicone.

Ultimately, it is effectively after 45km of an absolute pan flat power riders' dream time trial that the border into San Marino is crossed, and at this point the time trial switches its allegiances; the rouleurs should have gained big by this time, so it's time they start paying for it. And so the road turns uphill and winds its way into the capital and eponymous city of the small republic. None of the gradients are especially tough, however after 45km of ITT it is more than enough to be felt. I hypothesise some bike changes. The riders will make their way through the lavisch scenery of the old city, around picturesque town lacets, along the old city walls, a beautiful relic of time gone by, before eventually finishing at the car park beneath The Second Tower, one of the most dramatic sights in the country. 9-10km of constant uphill on the end of a long TT should really sort the men from the boys and I would expect gaps in this one to be huge, and set the stall out for the racing after the rest day.

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Giro d'Italia

Stage 1: Erice - Trapani, 16 km ITT

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My Giro starts in Sicily, actually at the westernmost tip of Sicily. It starts with a downhill individual time trial. That's something i always wanted to see, but the Giro hasn't done that since 1987, when Roche won a time trial from the Poggio to San Remo ahead of Piasecki and Breuking. Erice is a hilltop town at about 700m above sea level. From here the road winds down to Trapani. The descent is quite technical. There are a few long straights, but usually the road twists and turns. After 12 km Trapani is reached and a time check will reveal the best descender. The last 4 km are flat and untechnical. The finish line is right at the harbour.

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Trapani:
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Giro d'Italia

Stage 2: Trapani - Palermo, 130 km

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Short stage to the capital of Sicily. The first 80 km are fairly easy, but then three climbs will make life hard for the sprinters. The last climb is the Portella Torretta (5,8 km at 6,8%). It's a perfect springboard for attacks and probably too much for most sprinters. It is followed by an 8 km descent and 9 flat km in Palermo, so there is time to catch attackers or to regain contact. The course visits Teatro Massimo, the third biggest opera house in Europe (after Paris and Wien), and finishes on Via Roma.

Palermo:
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Giro d'Italia

Stage 3: Palermo - Enna, 192 km

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Long stage into central Sicily. After 20 km a 10 km climb (at about 4%) to the picturesque village of Marineo begins. After that the terrain is rolling. Corleone and Prizzi are visited for movie reasons, but Corleone also for its historical ties to Palermo (as seen in the flag of Sicily, where the red represents Palermo and yellow Corleone). The countryside in central Sicily is famous for its beauty. It's hilly to rolling and so is the stage. The final climb leads to the mountaintop town of Enna. It's 6,5 km long and in average 7,4% steep, but has stretches of 14% towards the end. There are some hairpins as well.

Enna:
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Giro d'Italia

Stage 4: Piazza Armerina - Messina, 195 km

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Piazza Armerina is located about 20 km southeast of Enna. From there the stage leads to the east, and then up the coast all the way to Messina. Apart from a climb to Taormina with 50 km to go, the last 100 km are flat. This should be the first bunch sprint of this Giro. The run-in is uncomplicated. There are four 90 degree bends in the last 3 km, but all on big, wide roads. The last bend is with 1 km to go, the finish is on the Via Cavour.

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