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gregrowlerson said:
This is a fantastic idea and application of it!

Really looking forward to seeing your additional changes to the route post stage 7.

A few cents from my side.
Each one of the rearranged states are significantly more challenging that before - and are greatly designed !
Herein lies the problem - Week 1 now turned into a extremely hard, risky, tense, hill/puncheur race - much tougher even by Guillen-Vuelta standards.
 
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I'll try and finish this today :D

Tour de France
Stage 18: Saint-Flour -> Saint-Étienne
194km
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I'm continuing to try and fatigue the riders by chucking in this ride through the foothills of the Massif Central. We don't really have high mountains, but the fact that it's up and down all day could cause some damage, though the next few stages should be even more decisive.

After the start in Saint-Flour, the riders will head east, through the Auvergne, taking in cat. 3s for most of the day. The real trouble, however, begins with about 30 kilometres to go - the Monteé des Chazournes. Those 3,5 kilometres average 10,5%, so it should naturally break legs and split the bunch. From there, we have an L-B-L type finale, with a short, uncategorised climb after the intermediate sprint in Firminy, and then two cat. 4s, before a descent into Saint-Étienne.

A prelude to a some important stages, which could influence the final outcome.

Start: Saint Flour, Avenue de la République
Finish: Saint-Étienne, Rue des Aciéries
Intermediate sprints: Le Puy-en-Velay, Firminy
Feed zone: Peyredere
Climbs:
Côte de Montchamp (3rd Category, 1088 m, 5.8 Km at 4.7%, Km 8.0)
Côte de Navat (3rd Category, 833 m, 4.7 Km at 5.8%, Km 54.8)
Côte de Chantuzier (3rd Category, 1127 m, 3.4 Km at 6.4%, Km 68.6)
Côte de Lachaud de Mezeres (3rd Category, 876 m, 4.3 Km at 5.5%, Km 114.5)
Côde de Jussac (4th Category, 668 m, 3.6 Km at 4.5%, Km 126.7)
Montée des Chazournes (2nd Category, 799 m, 3.5 Km at 10.3%, Km 155.8)
Côte de Crêt de Coté Chaude (4th Category, 586 m, 1.7 Km at 5.9%, Km 182.1)
Côte de Saint-Etienne (4th Category, 577 m, 1.8 Km at 5.4%, Km 189.3).
 
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Tour de France
Stage 19: Saint-Étienne -> Dunières
225km
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It's the Pilat Massif which hosts the final "mountain" stage of my Tour de France. Though it's not that hard, as it is the final ride through very high terrain, it could influence the "already settled" GC.

After the start in Saint-Étienne, the peloton does a reasonably large loop around Saint-Étienne, which consists mostly of false-flat terrain. I've added this to further increase difficulty when it comes to the length of the stage - 225kms, at this stage of the race, could be tough, particularly since we're facing the mountains. After the feed zone, the first real challenge starts - the Collet de Doizieux, 12.8 Kms long and averaging 5.7%. An ideal opportunity to do some selection, since this cat. 1 is quite long, but not too steep. A descent brings us into Saint-Chamond, for the main climb - Col de la Croix du Chauboret. It's longer, at 13.7 Km, and still "only" averages 5.7%, but is in the 6-7% territory most of the time, except for the second and final kilometres, which are slightly lighter. Porte won a Paris-Nice stage here is 2015.
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This is followed by the Col de Burdinges, with no flat whatsoever. This cat. 2 is nearly 7% over 8,5 kilometres, so now we're talking steep[er]. The final climb is the Col de la Charousse, a cat. 1 which averages 6.1%, though it starts pretty gradually, and then gets slightly steeper, before flattening out still for the final third or so. A 20-ish kilometre descent brings us into Dunieres, where a stage would finish for the first time ever.
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Basically, not really a day where a lot could be won, but a day where some time could be lost. Remember Formigal too - that was quite innocent, but then those who wanted it to matter made it matter. Here, a similar scenario could occur, especially if the top 5 is pretty close.

Start: Saint-Étienne, Rue des Aciéries
Finish: Dunieres, Rue du 11 Novembre
Intermediate sprints: Rive-de-Gier, Saint-Chamond
Feed zone: Chavanay
Climbs:
Col de Pavezin (3rd Category, 650 m, 4.5 Km at 4.7%, Km 93.2)
Collet de Doizieux (1st Category, 943 m, 12.8 Km at 5.7%, Km 123.4)
Col de la Croix du Chauboret (1st Category, 1198 m, 13.7 Km at 5.7%, Km 161.5)
Col de Burdinges (2nd Category, 892 m, 5.2 Km at 6.9%, Km 181.3)
Col de la Charousse (1st Category, 1238 m, 13.0 Km at 6.1%, Km 205.9)
 
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Tour de France
Stage 20: Ambert -> Clermont-Ferrand
165km
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The final day of competitive racing is effectively a hybrid version of the Liege-Bastogne-Liege. Once again, it's up and down all day, with 13 categorised climbs on the menu, and with some of them being really quite tough, it will be hard to say before it starts that everything at the top is settled.

There's no real point trying to mention all of the ascents, so I'll focus on the crucial ones. Racing beings with the Col de Chansert, which averages 6.2% over 9.2 kilometres. The aim of this - to have a strong break, because it's quite likely that it will be those riders who fight for glory. From then, the côtes dominate, until the second half, when there are three cat. 2 climbs, the Côte de Plateau de Gergovie (4.1 Km at 6.7%), Côte de Charade (6.1 Km at 5.9%), Côte de la Font de l'Arbre (5.9 Km at 6.1%), in quick succession. The descents could also prove quite crucial, as they too are quite steep.

In Clermont itself, the riders face the final cat. 4 of the stage - the Côte de Boulevard Thermal. Here, one could potentially gain more seconds, before facing the descent into the city centre.

A final medium-mountain stage before the usual parade!

Start: Ambert, Boulevard Sully
Finish: Saint-Étienne, Boulevard Pasteur
Intermediate sprints: Vic-le-Comte, Beaumont
Feed zone: Le Larroux
Climbs:
Col de Chansert (1st Category, 1235 m, 9.6 Km at 6.5%, Km 10.1)
Côte de Bertignat (3rd Category, 749 m, 6.0 Km at 4.2%, Km 32.7)
Col de Tussigére (4th Category, 864 m, 2.2 Km at 5.9%, Km 43.1) excuse the profile, where it is labeled as cat. 2
Côte d'Auzelles (4th Category, 806 m, 3.0 Km at 4.5%, Km 56.5)
Côte de Manglieu (4th Category, 588 m, 2.0 Km at 7.2%, Km 80.6)
Côte de Sallèdes (4th Category, 648 m, 2.1 Km at 4.8%, Km 85.8)
Côte de Corent (4th Category, 495 m, 2.5 Km at 5.8%, Km 99.7)
Côte de Veyre-Monton (4th Category, 490 m, 2.6 Km at 5.2%, Km 105.8)
Côte de Plateau de Gergovie (2nd Category, 693 m, 4.1 Km at 6.7%, Km 113.5)
Côte de Charade (2nd Category, 820 m, 6.1 Km at 5.9%, Km 128.0)
Côte de la Font de l'Arbre (2nd Category, 760 m, 5.9 Km at 6.1%, Km 141.0)
Côte d'Orcines (4th Category, 814 m, 2.3 Km at 5.6%, Km 146.6)
Côte de Boulevard Thermal (4th Category, 490 m, 1.5 Km at 7.0%, Km 161.0)
 
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Tour de France
Stage 21: Disneyland Paris - Chessy -> Paris - Champs-Élysees
138km
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Paris! Not really much to say here :D . The start is in Disneyland Paris, in Chessy, because why not :eek: , before the riders head west. Two cat. 4s for the lols, followed by 8 laps on the well known circuit, before the final sprint of my Tour de France.

Start: Disneyland Paris - Chessy, Avenue Paul Séramy
Finish: Paris, Avenue des Champs-Élysees
Intermediate sprints: Champs-Élysees, Champs-Élysees
Climbs:
Côte de Fontenay-aux-Roses (4th Category, 164 m, 1.7 Km at 3.8%, Km 51.0)
Côte de l'Observatoire (4th Category, 140 m, 1.6 Km at 6.5%, Km 58.5).

Final summary to follow :D .
 
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Tour de France - final summary
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1: Fécamp -> Dieppe 135km
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Flat stage *
2: Rouen -> Rouen 11km
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Individual time trial ***
3: Le Havre -> Chartres 182km
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Flat stage *
4: Neuville-aux-Boix -> Montbard 214km
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Hilly stage **
5: Beaune -> Villefranche-sur-Saône 222km
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Medium-mountain stage ***
6:Villefranche-sur-Saône -> Romans-sur-Isère 169km
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Flat stage **
7: Anneyron -> La Ruchère-en-Chartreuse 228km
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Mountain stage *****
8: Grenoble -> Jausiers 200km
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Mountain stage ****
9: Barcelonette -> Sospel 157km
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Mountain stage *****

- rest day -

10: Saint-Martin-de-Crau -> Port-Saint-Louis-du-Rhône 42km
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Individual time trial ****
11: Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer -> Lodève 162km
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Medium-mountain stage ***
12: Carcassonne -> Ax 3 Domaines 233km
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Mountain stage *****
13: Ax-les-Thermes -> Saint-Gaudens 176km
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Hilly stage **
14: Saint-Gaudens -> Luz-Ardiden 231km
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Mountain stage *****
15: Pau -> Val d'Azun-Couraduque 137km
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Mountain stage ****

- rest day -

16: Bordeaux -> Saint-Émilion 46km
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Individual time trial ****
17: Périgueux -> Aurillac 197km
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Hilly stage **
18: Saint-Flour-> Saint-Étienne 194km
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Medium-mountain stage ***
19: Saint-Étienne -> Dunières 225km
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Mountain stage ****
20: Ambert -> Clermont-Ferrand 165km
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Medium-mountain stage ***
21: Disneyland Paris-Chessy -> Paris Champs-Élysees 138km
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Flat stage *

KOM Sprints: 88
Hors catégorie: 7
Mont du Chat (7), Bonette, Turini (9), Port de Pailheres (12), Tourmalet, Luz Ardiden (14), Aubisque (15).
1st category: 15
Granier, La Ruchère-en-Chartreuse (7), Lautaret, Vars (8), Saint-Martin (9), Jau, Ax 3 Domaines (12), Val Louron-Azet, La Hourquette d'Ancizan (14), Marie-Blanque, Couraduque (15), Doizieux, Croix du Chauboret, Charousse (19), Chansert (20).
2nd category: 21
Croix Rosier, Croix Marchampt, Casse Froide, Ferriers, Croix Montmain (5), Mont Tournier, Chat, Épine, Cluse (7), Venon (8), Baraque de Bral (11), Boca Jalère, Garabeil, Chioula (12), Bordères (15), Chazournes (18), Burdinges (19), Plateau de Gergovie, Charade, Font de l'Arbre (20).
3rd category: 11
Combe Chante-Moult (4), Les Gières (5), Ezyin-Pinet (6), Octon (11), Aron (13), Montchamp, Navat, Chantuzier, Lachaud de Mezeres (18), Pavezin (19), Bértignat (20).
4th category: 34
Conteville, Saint-Vaast-d'Équiqueville (1), Honfleur (3), Rue Rostand (4), Septème, Monsteroux-Milieu, Combe de Solin, Les Moillés (6), Côte-Saint-André, Montrevel, Égaux (7), Queyrières (8), Les Plans (11), Mas, Prats-de-Sournia (12), Camarade, Cap de les Bordes (13), Barry, Camparan (14), Eysus, Soulor (15), Saint-Mamet-la-Salvetat (17), Jussac, Crêt de Coté Chaude, Saint-Etienne (18), Tussigére, Auzelles, Manglieu, Sallèdes, Corent, Veyre-Monton, Orcines, Boulevard Thermal (20), Fontenay-aux-Roses, Observatoire (21).

TOTAL LENGTH: 3464km
Average stage length: 165.0km

Flat stages: 4
Hilly stages: 3
Medium-mountain stages: 4
Mountain stages: 7
Individual time trial stages: 3
Team time trial stages: 0

Total individual time trialing: 99kms
Total team time trialing: 0kms

MTFs: 4
La Ruchère-en-Chartreuse (7, cat. 1), Ax 3 Domaines (12, cat. 1), Luz Ardiden (14, HC), Val d'Azun-Couraduque (15, cat. 1)
HTFs: 1
Montbard (4, cat. 1)

Thank you very much for following, I hope you enjoyed my Tour :D I think that my Giro was a better race overall, but I [hope and] don't think that this one's too bad :eek: . If you have any feedback, please let me know :D

Valv.Piti said:
I bet your TdF has more than twice the climbing this year's TdF has.
It has nearly double the amount of climbing stages (7 here vs 4 in 2017), and just under half the amount of bunch sprints (6 here vs 11 in 2017) :eek:
 
World Championships Bath, United Kingdom

In 2019, for the first time since Goodwood 1982, the world championships of cycling will return to the UK. The UK obviously isn't a traditional cycling nation by any stretch of the imagination, but the sport is reaching heady heights and becoming ever more popular. The choice of start town has been fairly disappointing personally and appears to be a homage to the UK's most consistently excellent cyclist this century rather than a decision based on optimisng the race. This is a WC in the UK, but at the opposite end, down south. I have designed and published one or two stage finishes in Bath on this forum, and last year of course the Tour of Britain had a stage finish here. However, it was the most frustrating finish ever considering the terrain around Bath. An flat run-in and a 300m drag to the line wasn't what I was hoping for. This is a very hilly set of races from the ITTs to the road races. I have tried to make races explore both the areas south and north of Bath and three of the races (both the TTTs and the Elite Men's race) will have a start in Bristol and explore Somerset, and some parts of West Wiltshire, before taking on the hilly city circuit.

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Background and history
Some quick background of Bath. If you don't want to read this you can scroll down to the beginning of the races.

Bath is city famed around the world for its architecture and landscape, and this helps the city attract 3.8 million day tourists every year, more than 42 times the population of the city itself. The architecture is almost exclusively Georgian, apart from some more Victorian style factory structures on the south bank of the River Avon, and even the more modern developments are built in a way which is suppose to fit in with the rest of the city. It never actually does, but that's beside the point. It is obviously famed for its Roman baths and hot water springs, which are unique on British Isles. This unsurprisingly made it a location for tourists from a very early time as Romans in Britain, who might've wanted to relax, could only do so here. Therefore, it took the name Aquae Sulis Following the collapse of roman Britain, these baths were lost until the two John Woods (elder and younger) rebuilt them in the 18th Century. There's also a large abbey, where the TTs will start, and the famous Royal Crescent and Circle. Notably, it was the home of Jane Austen for many years. Important to note she absolutely despised the city.

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Bath is often said by its citizens to be surrounded by seven hills like Rome. I am almost completely certain this is not the case, but it's nice to pretend it is. Every single race will finish on Great Pulteney Street going towards the Holbourne museum. Great Pulteney Street is a picturesque,wide and very grand Georgian street, perfect for a finish like this - think of it like an english Avenue du Gramond (ok, hyperbolic). It should be a safe finish as I very much doubt any race will finish in a bunch sprint. If it were to be a bunch sprint (40+ people), then it could get slightly sketchy, but not quite Alberobello sketchy. Anway, I'll start with the races.

Sunday - Men and Women's TTTs 35.1km
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My initial plan for this was a very fast and flat dash from Bristol to Bath, forgetting that the distance would only be 20km. It is still a fairly short TTT (the only shorter than normal race elite race this weekend) but I managed to put in a 15km detour south of the normal road. The road used is a fairly wide "A" road, so shouldn't provide any problems for the riders and isn't particularly technical for the most part. The opening 3km in Bristol could create a few nerves, as could the final 2km in Bath, but apart from that nothing.

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It is fairly rolling at times and amasses over 300m of climbing over the 35km, so won't be stupidly fast and would be perfect for the likes of Dumoulin to pull their teams. Obviously I don't think Sunweb will challenge for this, and it will be between the usual suspects: BMC, Etixx, Orica etc. The course is the same for both men's teams and women's teams.

Monday - Junior Women ITT (13.2km) and U-23 Men's ITT (27.6km)
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Short race for the junior women, only 13km which is a tiny bit shorter than normal. Once again, it isn't completely flat and has about 100m of climbing, but none of it should be of any issue. It's in a pretty part of residential Bath, so it's a good opportunity to show off the city. There are a couple of technical moments but it isn't too bad for the most part, once again these technical moments come at the beginning and near the end with the short descent.

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Once again, the race is slightly shorter (3 or 4km) than perhaps is normal, but is very tough. It has the same beginning 2km of the junior women, but this one then swings to the north of Bath. The south is showcased during the road race. The first climb is one up Lansdown Hill, which will feature prominently in the week, albeit mostly from a different side. It's pretty damn steep, with a 500m at 13%, which will make the TT more climber friendly than at first one might assume. A long plateau in a very windy area soon follows, with nice veiws over the city. This section, if it is as windy as it normally is in late September, is the perfect antidote to the difficult hill that has just passed. Most good climbers will struggle here where a lot of power will be needed to keep a good pace.

A descent takes the riders to Wick where the road joins up with the men's elite parcours. There is a small hill (about 1km at just over 5%, with a section over 8%) which could help the lighter riders. After passing the checkpoint at Nimlet, the riders for the next 7km will be subjected to one of thos classic British single-track lanes. The road is fairly twisty and ever so slightly downhill, and it could neutralise some of the gaps which the specialists will be used to creating on this terrain. The road takes them past the haunting St Catherine's Court, owned by the actress Jane Seymour (bought for a meagre £350,000 - ok, 3 million was later spent on renovation) and where radiohead recorded most of their legendary OK Computer album. The twisty road continues until the riders reach the 4km to go sign, and from there it is a 3.5km very flat and very straight and pretty wide journey, until a sharp left, right and left in the last 500m takes them to Great Pulteney Street, and the finish.

Tuesday - Junior Men ITT (27.6km) and Elite Women ITT (27.6)
Both same as the second race above, the Under 23 men's parcours. I'm following a structure similar to the Richmond WCs for the TTs.

Wednesday - Elite Mens ITT (63.8km)
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A proper length ITT. It would be the longest ever in world championship history, although if we include all those years when the Chrono des Nations was the unofficial world championships then it doesn't come close to the top. This is a bit of a juxtaposition to the Bergen TT, which divided some on this forum. It is also pretty damn hilly, as you can see from the profile, with over 700m of climbing. It would be one of the longest ITTs this century at a WT/protour level or above, and it could be up to 90 minutes in the saddle. It is a proper test.

The ITT starts in the same place as all the others so far, in the square in front of the Bath Abbey and next to the Roman Baths. The beginning route is the same as the others too, expect this time it goes much deeper into eastern somerset and almost reaches Bristol. It continuously rises and falls from the right hand turn at Swineford after 8 or 9km until the first time check at Nimlet, in the same location as the Women's, Under 23 and Junior Men's time checks. The same road is followed until St. Catherine's Court, before the riders take a sharp left and continue on the spectacularly narrow and quintissentially British road into a short uphill in a very pretty forest near Marshfield, the home of the ice cream (useless reference for any who don't live in the UK). The road then becomes wider and more of a normal single track, which in reality can hold two cars without much trouble.

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It continues up Box Hill and into West Wiltshire before reaching the town of Corsham, where a part of Poldark was filmed. The road here becomes gently downhill, and then reaches the second time check in Lacock, a very picturesque little village, well-liked among tourists for its charming abbey, in which Harry Potter was filmed. Unsurprisingly, if you look at the picture above, Pride and Prejudice was also filmed here, along with many other period dramas. The road continues through the countryside and past some fields of wheat, and is fairly rolling until reaching the windy plateau at Kingsdown, just before the short descent to the flat ending of the TT. The descent initally is pretty dark as its in a forest, and because of the sudden change of light you experience could prove tricky for some initially. There is 1km on a bypass before the same ending as the previous races, going on London Road before turning to get to Great Pulteney Street. If you ask me, it has Dumoulin written all over it. I doubt nybody could challenge him on such a course, perhaps peak Fabian or Roglic if he dramatically improves. Possibly one for Kiry of 2015 as well.

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Start location (it's doable, don't worry)
 
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7 climbs (5 of them over 200km) and 3 ITT is an absolutely brutal course. Whoever wins that should get two trophies.
 
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jsem94 said:
That Tour was great.. that stage 20.. hnnngggg
Haha, thanks :D
Tonton said:
I like your Tour a lot, some of the stages are awesome. Maybe it's the PInot fan in me taking over, but two ITT after a rest day, that's too much for me :eek: . Some great stuff though...
Thank you :D . I too love Pinot, but you know, he too needs a challenge :eek: . At first, the second ITT was stage 18, and stage 16 was Florac -> Mende, but then I didn't want to make the third week really brutal too, given how difficult the second week was, and plus I didn't want a double visit of the Causses and Cévennes, so I switched things round a bit.
Katabatic said:
7 climbs (5 of them over 200km) and 3 ITT is an absolutely brutal course. Whoever wins that should get two trophies.
Making a really hard route was actually my goal, for three reasons:
1) the Sky train coped brilliantly on easy[/easier] routes, so I'd love to see how they cope with two consecutive 200km mountain stages;
2) I wanted 3 ITT, simply because nowadays these get wasted, and to balance this (I mean, Froome could probably gain four-minutes minutes on those flat ITTs alone), so the mountains had to be very hard, to provide a balance, and give the climbers an opportunity to gain time.
3) I was disgusted with this year's Tour route, and can't stand the thought that the Giro is currently harder than the Tour, so I wanted to show that France still has potential for brutal stages and, in general, a really difficult route.

Thank you to everyone :D
 
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Forever The Best said:
Great route! The riders need to attack from far in the ladt week if they want to win the race which is an awesome thing. The Alps and Pyrenees were great too and the amount of TT kms is really good. So all in all an awesome race!
Thanks :D yeah, open racing is something that I think the Tour currently lacks, and tried to see implement more of it.
 
GIRO D'ITALIA

(Sun) stage 1: Altamura - Trebisacce, 208 km

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The first road stage starts in Puglia, crosses through Basilicata and ends in Calabria. It is flat for the first 140 km, before a 20 km climb should give us some action.

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The climb to Monte Sparviere is 21 km long with an average gradient of 6%. Not super hard, but enough to force a selection and enable attacks. The road is wide and good, only at the top it gets quite narrow.

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The descent is also on a good road, but quite technical. The middle part features a lot of hairpins.

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The final 20 km are flat.

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World Championships Bath, United Kingdom - Road Races

The road races, definitely maybe the bit that everyone cares more about. Every race will take on the same 22.8km circuit, which I will describe now:

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The circuit, as you can see, is quite hilly. It features three climbs, which although are all shorter than 2km, are very different in character. The first one is Bathwick Hill, which starts almost immediately after the finish line. It takes the riders up to the university, and is pretty regular at around 9% throughout its 1.4km. It is a climb which would not look out of place at Amstel Gold, or in a race in Belgium, be it Wallonia or Flanders. The scenery is excellent, with Georgian houses lining it for most the way up and then at the top there are lovely views of the city. The climb gradually gets harder as it goes on, and will be crucial in how the race is run, as it can seriously tire some out, and is enough to drop certain riders. It is in effect a midpoint between the two other climbs. After it, there is a narrow and twisty descent to the main road - the map doesn't really do it justice. It's quite dark as it is under trees, but it also short, at just over one kilometre, so it might be hard for a rider to create a meaningful gap on just the descent. It's like a very short version and slightly easier of the Vista Chinesa descent last year, but without the enormous cement pavement/blocks at the side of the road.

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After the descent, comes 3km on straight and flattish roads which could bring back some attackers from the previous climbs, or have the opposite effect and extend the lead of the riders at the front as we saw at Amstel this year. Then comes the shortest and steepest climb of the circuit, Brassnocker Hill. This is genuinely very steep, maxing out at over 15% halfway through, as the profile shows. The whole climb averages out at 1.1km at 10.7%, but that's because the last 200-300m is effectively a false flat at only 4 or 5%. After the climb, there is a fair bit of flat, which once again looks pretty at home in Limburg at the top of the Keutenberg, before a very fast descent, which is technical at all. However, the road narrows at the bottom of the descent with a quick right and left hander, which could catch some people out if they haven't studied the course well enough. There is a bit of flat after this as well before the last climb, but it is of a nature which helps attackers. It is twisty and there are very few prolonged stretches of straight road, apart from the Royal Avenue and a bit before it as well, but they are only around 500m each.

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After the riders take a right hand at the Circus, they begin to climb again, this time up the longest (but least steep) climb. It is still fairly steep, at 7.7%, but it is very irregular. Some stretches are over 10%, some are under 4%. This will make it hard to judge an effort, but a good late springboard for any last-minute attacks. Although it is the longest climb of the circuit, I don't think it will deter any previous attacks because its difficulty should not be something that is feared by the likes of Kwiatkowski or Valverde or Gilbert. Although tough, it is no Roche aux Faucons or Redoute. Once again, the houses around it are very picturesque and the view at the top is something to behold.

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A quick section of flat precedes another difficult and narrow descent, which could help the likes of Kwiatkowski, or even a Nibali style rider who has targeted this race. This descent is slightly longer and is also pretty steep, at over 9%, but hopefully won't cause any problems. The road is well paved and without that many potholes. Although it must be said that potholes are an easily solved problem. They go through larkhall and take on London Road, which has featured in every single race so far bar the TTTs. This could well turn into either a 1.5-2km pursuit, be it individual or team, or a fantastic assortment of short attacks trying to drop any riders in the group before the final sprint in front of the Holbourne Musuem. In all races, the winning group will be no more than 15 riders (keeping in mind junior races somehow always end up with loads or riders no matter the course). The circuit has a total of 527m of climbing at good gradients, so it should be very selective.

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Friday - Junior Women and Under 23 Men
Junior Women - 3 laps (68.4km)
Under 23 Men - 8 laps (182.4km)

Saturday - Junior Men and Elite Women
Junior Men - 6 laps (136.8km)
Elite Women - 7 laps (159.6km)

Sunday - Elite Men (272.1km)
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The Men's race is the only one with its own profile, as it is the only one which doesn't begin in Bath and features some extra bits of road. The reason for this is twofold: one being that I like it when the whole WC race isn't on a circuit, like Firenze, and it is nice to venture further out into the region hosting it - here a lot of North Somerset is visited, as well as some parts of West Wiltshire. Secondly, 270km is around 12 laps of the circuit, which would amount to 6300m of climbing, which even I think is slightly excessive. There is about 1500m of climbing pre circuit, mainly because of the two climbs just before the crossing the finish line for the first time which are technically part of the circuit, but I haven't counted as part of it. This results in over 5000m of climbing, which is already a lot, and far more then in recent years.

The pre circuit race takes in some wonderful sights, including Clifton Suspension Bridge, and also the village of Chew Magna. They head south to Cheddar, home to the famous cheese and the outstanding gorge, before making their way back to Bath through some country lanes. The first 50km are pretty hilly, but the section after that until they reach Bath is much less so and allows the riders to settle into a rhythm behind the now established break. This section won't be race deciding at all.

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The race will be very hard. It will probably be quite chaotic too - the intermittent flats and sharp hills along with some narrow and twisty roads (especially on the descents) could make it difficult to control for the larger teams like Spain, GB, Italy, France and Belgium. Especially if there are smaller sized teams, and a max number of 7 rather than 9. I don't expect much to happen before the last 40km or so, apart from many riders being jettisoned from the rear from the attrition and fatigue, but after that it could well explode. I don't think we will see much waiting for the last climb because of the wide range of people who can win this - someone like Nibali, who has a genuine chance, cannot wait for the last 15km. The only people who can are Kwiatkowski and Gilbert, but they have to be wary to not be followed by GvA or Sagan - who need to hope for an easier race and a reduced bunch sprint (unlikely) or to get in an attack like Van Averamet did last year at the Olympics. It could be a very fun race, and hopefully will (if it were to be raced).

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Excellent road race, Brullnux.

GIRO D'ITALIA

(Mon) stage 2: Marina Schiavonea - Sapri, 164 km

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From the Ionian Sea to the Tyrrhenian Sea, this could be a stage for the more versatile sprinters. Most of the hills along the coast shouldn't do much damage, but inside the final 10 km the last hill (1,4 km at 7%) should see some sprinters get dropped and/or attackers to succeed.

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Re: Re:

TromleTromle said:
gregrowlerson said:
This is a fantastic idea and application of it!

Really looking forward to seeing your additional changes to the route post stage 7.

A few cents from my side.
Each one of the rearranged states are significantly more challenging that before - and are greatly designed !
Herein lies the problem - Week 1 now turned into a extremely hard, risky, tense, hill/puncheur race - much tougher even by Guillen-Vuelta standards.

Well, my idea was to point out missed opportunities, not as much creating a "realistic" Tour de France course.

gregrowlerson said:
This is a fantastic idea and application of it!

Really looking forward to seeing your additional changes to the route post stage 7.

Thank you, and here's the second batch:


Stage 8: Dole - Station des Rousses: 212km, medium mountains
I quite liked the original design, with a final similar to that of this year's Giro stage to Asiago, although overall the stage is a lot easier. But, given the following stage, it will probably be a breakaway stage while the gc favorites will take it as easy as possible. This stage's only purpose is to induce fatigue, so I made it a bit longer and included a nice extra climb.

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Stage 9: Nantua - Chambéry: 187km, high mountains
During this whole thread the duo Biche-Grand Colombier has been used countless times, and both sides of the Mont du Chat are also a race designers favorite. So I guess some ASO people may have tought that it was a brilliant idea to combine them in one stage. I don't. The problem is that there's a rather long way between the end of the descent of the Grand Colombier and the start of the Mont du Chat, most options even on flat or at best rolling roads. The poor decision of descending to Anglefort instead of Culoz (which is also more technical) increased that distance with seven more kilometers. I first thought of removing the Col de la Biche and Grand Colombier, as some kind of protest, but they are essential to this stage. So I just tried to minimize the distance between the Grand Colombier and Mont du Chat, while also searching for hilly roads. I found a nice alternative when using the "other" (4km longer, but slightly less steep) side of the Mont du Chat. This option also gave me the opportunity to finish with a hard climb-easy climb type of final and a descent that almost leads to the finish, instead of 12 flat km.

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Rest day

Stage 10: Périgueux - Bergerac: 178km, flat
Leave it as it is.
My aim of including more itt kilometres could easily be realised in this stage by using one of the former stages between these two cities (if needed in opposite direction): a 54km itt between Bergerac and Périgueux in 2014, a 64km itt in 1994 between Bergerac and Périgueux or the 74km itt between Bergerac and Périgueux in 1961 (btw, isn't it telling that those tt's are each time 10km shorter than the time before?).
But, instead I kept the original design. I'll include a long tt somewhere else.


Stage 11: Eymet - Pau: 232km, hilly
Historically, stages to Pau have either been flat or mountainous with the last significant climb 40-60km from the finish. Never the hills just south of the city have been the focal point of a stage. Time to change that.

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Stage 12: Pau - Peyragudes: 214.5km, high mountains + HTF
Leave it as it is.
Probably the best designed stage of the race (not that there's a stiff competition).


Stage 13: Saint-Girons - Foix: 132km, high mountains
The past few editions of Paris-Nice and the Dauphiné have shown that a short mountain stage with a quick succession of several climbs can provide fireworks, but seemingly only when it's the final stage. This stage isn't. Recent editions of the Vuelta and Giro had their "ambush stages" on a few occasions: rather short stages with some not too difficult climbs that saw the race explode. I guess ASo wanted its own amush stage, and I applaud the idea, but 101km may be a bit too short. So I made it a bit longer (still only junior race length) and added two more climbs. And I corrected the ridiculous cat 1 rating for the Latrape. It's a cat 2.

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Stage 14: Blagnac - Rodez: 181,5km, hilly + htf
Leave it as it is.
Very well designed stage. In the early days of a GT a stage like this may provide some spectacle, at this point it will probably be a breakaway stage. But it's still a good stage.

Stage 15: Laissac - Le-Puy-en-Velay: 200km, medium mountains
The original stage was centered around the picturesque Plateau d'Aubrac, famous for its cattle (and beef) and had a nasty sting in the tail. Somehow ASO thought is was a good idea to make some detours after the Col de la Peyra Taillade to climb some bumps, while placing it 10km further from the finish than it could be. I fixed that, and I centered my stage around the gorge of the Allier river instead of the Plateau d'Aubrac.

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Nice Worlds course Brullnux. However two questions: why finish on Great Pulteney Street, like the Tour series did this year, and not on Royal Avenue, like last year's Tour of Britain and the 2015 Tour Series? There is a lot more space and it finishes in sight of the Royal Crescent. That brings me on to my second question: what about riding along the Royal Crescent? Although the cobbles wont do anything, if your showing off the sights of the south west, like Cheddar Gorge, why not show off another famous sight of the south west.
 
GIRO D'ITALIA

(Tue) stage 3: Maratea - Amalfi, 206 km

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In terms of scenery this is probably the most beautiful stage of this Giro. The first half of the stage takes place in wonderful Cilento, while the famous Amalfi coast serves as the backdrop for the finale. It's a flat stage, but like yesterday there are small hills in the finale which will make it hard für the Quaranta type of sprinters and opens up opportunities for attackers.

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