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Tour of Hungary

Stage 6: Szilvásvárad - Alsótold; 163 km

This is another tricky stage and clearly not an easy one, though the riders have to get over just one big climb. It brings them to the highest point of whole race.

Profile of Galya-tetö climb

After descent even longer than this ascent, comes around 10 km of rolling terain. And there is still one more hill before peloton. It's located at 1,5 km before finish. If there is still a group of riders at the front of the race, this hill will decide battle for victory, no matter whether it's BOTD or a group of climbers, who have escaped on Galya-tetö climb.

Climbs:
Galya-tetö (cat. 1) - 18,5 km; 4,5%
Nagymezöpuzsta (cat. 3) - 2 km; 8,8%

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Tour of Hungary

Stage 7: Hatvan - Pilisszentlászló; 176 km

This is the last chance for climbers/punchers to gain time. This stage has two parts. In the first flat part, riders pass Budapest, where the final stage is held, and head to Szentendre. Then there are 2 laps with 1 climb, which is also a HTF. The last lap has one additional climb nevertheless there is 20 km of flat before the last clim and finish. Last 3 kilometres are steeper than average gradient (around 6,5%)

Climbs:
Pilisszentlászló (cat. 2) - 7 km; 4,7%
Pilisszentlászló (cat. 2) - 7 km; 4,7%
Mátyás Király (cat. 3) - 5,7 km; 4,6% (inconsistent climb with some pitches up to 12%)
Pilisszentlászló (cat. 2) - 7 km; 4,7%

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Tour of Hungary

Stage 8: Budapest - Budapest (ITT); 17,7 km

This time trial place its start under Gellért-hegy with Citadella in front of Gellért spa. Then the route goes away from downtown toward Szabadság-hegy. This only hill in the ITT is 5 km long and has an average gradient of 5%. The firt part of the climb is easier, it's 1,7 km long with 4%. After this there is 1,7 km with 8% (and maximum 18%), followed by a slight descent. The steepest part comes in the end. It's 1100 metres long with 9% average.
Descent after Szabadság-hegy isn't technical, but it's steeper than the ascent (4km; 8%). The route now goes back to the downtown. There is the most technical part with 5 curves in the last kilometer.

Climbs:
Szabadság-hegy (cat. 3) - 5,2 km; 5%

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Budapest (Gellért spa)
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Budapest (photo from aroud 200m to the line, finish is after turning right)
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I like the finish just after the Nagymezöpuzsta. That could well be where some vital time is gained. Togo's goal appears to be to give every single Central European stage a proper, week-long medium mountain race, and I must say that I approve.

I am just about ready to start posting up my Tour de France. Like when I did my Vuelta I've tried to at least retain some traditional elements rather than burn everything down, so there will be a thimbleful of predictable inclusions; there are also nods to other races thrown in here and there. I have also had to ask the UCI for special dispensation on a couple of matters (there is a stage of over 240km), but this is the Tour de France, so I see no reason why it would be an issue.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
I have also had to ask the UCI for special dispensation on a couple of matters (there is a stage of over 240km), but this is the Tour de France, so I see no reason why it would be an issue.

Zomegnan ignored this rule for years. :D
 
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Time to resume my Vuelta Mexico.

Stage 5 - Xalapa - Veracruz - 196km:


Map and Profile

Today's finish is also one for the sprinters with the finish along the Costa Verde in the beach side town of Veracruz on the Gulf of Mexico. The start is in Xalapa and the peloton is basically descending the whole way with the exception of the Alto Tio Diego and the Alto Lucero. It should be a fast stage and the peloton will probably average in the mid-40's km/h for the whole stage.
 
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Stage 6 - Veracruz - Campo Grande - 203.5km:

Map and Profile

Stage 6 starts in Veracruz and takes in the Boca del Río with the steep finish in Campo Grande on the outskirts of Orizaba. The first 75km are dead flat before the peloton starts climbing although the gradient isn't tough enough to split the peloton up, the peloton rides along the outskirts of Córdoba where the peloton will also go through Orizaba. before the descent into Campo Grande, but the peloton will take an extra loop before going through Campo Grande before a steep uphill finish.
 
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Fictional Stage Races (The Americas)

Ronde van de Nederlandse Antillen (Maaaaaaaarten) Stage 1

The Big 1 (SetonHallPirate) Entire Parcours

Tour of Hawai'i (Progsprach) Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Stage 9 Stage 10 Stage 11

Tour of the United States (SetonHallPirate) Entire parcours in one post

Tour of the West Coast (Christian) Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Stage 9 Stage 10 Stage 11 Stage 12 Stage 13

Vuelta a Bariloche (Libertine Seguros) First Version Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Second Edition Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5

Vuelta a la Argentina (Libertine Seguros) Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Stage 9 Stage 10 Stage 11 Stage 12 Stage 13 Stage 14 Stage 15

Vuelta a Mexico (craig1985): Stage 1 Stage 2 Stages 3 & 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Stage 9 Stages 10 & 11 Stage 12 Stage 13 Stage 14 Stage 15 Stage 16 Stage 17 Never to be finished; RIP Craig

Vuelta a Panama (GeraintTooFast): Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6

Vuelta El Salvador (Arnout): Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4
 
Right, here we go... time to start the Tour de France. I will note that this is not an 'ideal' route, there are still many, many things I could have done and some areas I would like to see in the Tour not being used. However, I've tried to keep some balance. The GC battle should be an interesting one between various types of rider, while the points jersey battle could be one of the most interesting aspects of my race as I've tried to branch it out from just being for sprinters, but without making it a GC rider's plaything like at the Giro in recent years.

To the Grand Départ!

At 15:00 CET on a Saturday in June, somewhere in western France, a man standing on a bridge waves a tricolor. Thus begins one of the most iconic racing events of history. The Tour Libertine may start on a Saturday in July instead, but we will ape this historic event for our opening stage. Though I would prefer an evening start so that the early runners compete in daylight and the last ones in the dark, to stay true to the spirit of the event in question, I feel Prudhomme would perhaps not be so keen on this approach, and would prefer the tricolor-waving at 15:00 CET approach.

Stage 1: Le Mans (Circuit de la Sarthe) - Le Mans (Circuit de la Sarthe), 13,6km (ITT)

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Timecheck: Mulsanne Corner (7,3km)

Yes, to begin with I've actually taken some inspiration from possibly the worst Tour route in recent memory, that of 2009, with a longer-than-the-usual opening time trial at a motor racing venue. The city of Le Mans has played host to the Tour a few times, most recently 2011. However, the hallowed tarmac of the Circuit de la Sarthe (not the cycling one) is another matter. Much of the route that the famous 24h takes place on is closed public roads, with the entire section from Tertre Rouge on the city's outskirts, down to Mulsanne, across to Indianapolis and Arnage and up to the Porsche Curves, being in operation to the public 24/7/365, save for that particular week in June.

Video of the track

The course here is not as tricky as the Monte Carlo TT from 2009, however, as although the long, long (nearly 6km) straight of Hunaudières has some rolling crests, there are no climbs here to speak of. The course has a fair few twists and turns but it is not a technical challenge for the riders, except perhaps dealing with the camber on the banked corner at Indianapolis. The riders will start from the pitlane and cross the finishing line to finish, just as in the 2009 Vuelta's Assen ITT (and to a lesser extent the Valencia one too). However, of course, this is a much longer circuit, and the rouleurs and stronger GC contenders who have good time trial skills will be able to put together a bit of an advantage here. Also, a strong rouleur who can do a good time trial and who has some qualities in the sprint - thinking of the likes of Boonen here, though of course even Cancellara could count - could perhaps get a good result that would be crucial in the Points competition.

And what better way to get the crowd involved than to have a venue where massive spectator stands and ready-set-up podiums mean that huge numbers can get a good view of the event?

Start-finish straight:
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Stage 2: Le Mans - Trouville-sur-Mer, 197km

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Climbs:
Côte de la Roche Mabile (cat.3) 4,1km @ 5,4%
Château de Vimer (cat.4) 2,6km @ 4,1%
Le Mont Massue (cat.4) 2,1km @ 6,1%
Mont Canisy (cat.4) 1,6km @ 5,8%

Points:
Lisieux (Rue Fournet), 157km
Trouville-sur-Mer (Boulevard Fernand Moreaux), finish

Our first road stage of the Tour takes us to the north, out of the Pays de la Loire and into Basse-Normandie, on what would appear to be rather like a typical first week Tour stage; four categorised climbs, of which only one is as high as a category three. The riders set off from the Sarthe département and undertake 50 pan flat kilometres en route to Alençon, before turning off onto the D204 and entering the Forêt d'Écouves where the toughest climb of the day takes place.

The Roche Mabile is a pretty, wooded area in the Forêt d'Écouves, and after the summit, the riders will have time to enjoy the views from the Signal d'Écouves as they handle a plateau before descending to Sées. After this, we have a long period of general soft descent, interrupted by a couple of climbs; the uncategorised Côte de Courménil, the category 4 ascent on the road up to Château de Vimer, and the uncategorised drag up to Auquainville, before the first 15 riders can duke out points for the maillot vert in our first intermediate sprint, in the capital of the Pays d'Auge on the cobbled streets of Lisieux.

After this, things get a little more interesting than you might expect from a first Tour road stage; three climbs (two categorised) have found their way into the final 30km. Le Mont Massue is relatively tough for a category 4, but is a long way out. It could spell doom for a breakaway but could also serve as a platform for a new attack group to form, being over 6% for 2km. After the descent from this, the uncategorised Mont Picard ascent leads us into some flat racing on the D278 by the banks of the Touques; however, while the temptation may be to head straight into Trouville-sur-Mer, on the estuary of this river where it meets La Manche, the riders must face one more obstacle; they turn west to Tourgéville. Here, the riders turn to the north once more and face Mont Canisy. This short, 1400m ascent averages 5,8% and includes a short section of up to 14%. The climb crests just 4,6km from the finishing line in Trouville, so there is a good opportunity for puncheurs and attackers to make a difference here. Time gaps should be small, but it will certainly be possible to outfox the sprinters here; as they descend gradually into Deauville, however, the final stretch is predominantly on wide, straight roads that will favour the bunch. The final corner comes after crossing the Touques, 600 metres from the finish, as the riders turn onto Boulevard Fernand Moureaux.

Though this is a first weekend stage, do not be surprised to see a Benelux Classics specialist take the spoils here; the sprinters will have to work to foil them, and the trains may be hurt by trying to control attacks on Mont Canisy.

Le Mans:
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Trouville-sur-Mer:
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looking forward to seeing what you've got up your sleeve for this one Libertine. I'm confident Mont du Chat will be making an appearance though ;)
 
Vuelta a Panama

I think there's 1 or 2 races in Panama already but I couldn't find very much information on them so I decided to have a go myself. The Vuelta a Panama is a week-long race with a variety of stages, from very flat to mountainous.

Stage 1

Portobelo - Panama City (134km)

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The first stage see's the peleton travel from coast to coast, roughly parallel with the Panama Canal. Don't be fooled by the exaggerated profile below, this is a flat stage so the spectators in Panama City should be treated to sprint finish on the Amador Causeway to decide who wears the leaders jersey on Stage 2.

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Amador Causeway
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Biggest problem I'm having with my Mexico Tour is that I'm having trouble trying to make any real sort of progress, I mean I think I could easily do three weeks and not venture north of Mexico City. The length of the stages isn't a problem, but trying to link them between cities and towns of note and have the capacity to host a bike race without making the stages too long and having massive Giro-esque transfers, so far I've done 10 days of my race.

But without further ado, I give you stage 7.

Stage 7 - Córdoba - Tehuacán - 180km:

Map and Profile

It can be considered a transitional stage but if the sprinters want this, it won't be easy for them, as it won't be for the pure sprinters with a long constant uphill drag (or false flat if you will) to the finish in Tehuacán. Starting in Córdoba, the peloton passes through Oribaza again, Ciudad Mendoza with another ride through a National Park where the peloton will be over 2700m above sea level. The false flat starts in Altepexi and goes for 15km until the finish.
 
Could be some wind at the end of that one?

Stage 3: Rouen - Boulogne-sur-Mer, 198km

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Climbs:
Mont Renard (cat.4) 2,6km @ 4,1%
Mont du Val-aux-Moines (cat.4) 2,8km @ 4,2%
Le Mont-Saint-Rémy (cat.4) 2,8km @ 4,7%
Le Haut Pichot (cat.4) 1,4km @ 7,7%

Points:
Nampont (139km)
Boulogne-sur-Mer (Grande Rue)(finish)

Our first midweek stage sees us starting by moving out of Basse-Normandie into the capital city of Haute-Normandie, the medieval and historic city of Rouen. We are continuing our journey northwards, parallel to La Manche, with another typical week one stage. However, in atypical fashion, the stage begins almost immediately with a climb; the riders have not even left Rouen when the category 4 ascent of Mont Renard begins. This will serve as the ideal platform from which the break of the day can form, with a long plateau to follow. The first half of the stage is relatively rolling, with a handful of ascents, both categorised and uncategorised, punctuating its length. Though only the Mont du Val-aux-Moines and Mont Saint-Rémy are hard enough to categorise, the profile is a long way from being flat.

Once the riders cross into Picardie, things start to calm down a little, once they reach the canal d'Abbeville, and the rolling terrain is over for a while. The trip through Picardie and into Nord-Pas-de-Calais is very flat, with only the sprinters' chance to pick up some more points in the intermediate sprint at Nampont to punctuate it. A big fear for the GC contenders here, however, will be wind blowing in from La Manche; the land is very flat and the terrain is very exposed. The riders could be vulnerable to echelon action in this part of the country, and so riders will be keen to keep an eye on that, and stay up near the front.

The terrain gets a bit more rolling again as we head toward the finish; the final short climb of Le Haut Pichot is the shortest but steepest of today's climbs, and peaks 21km from the finish. Nevertheless I wouldn't expect it to disrupt too many people, on the basis that it's far out enough for the sprinters' teams to reorganise themselves and bring back any attacks on the slightly downhill run into Boulogne-sur-Mer.

Boulogne-sur-Mer itself is an interesting place for cycling; it hosted the 2011 French national championships, where Sylvain Chavanel triumphed after taking advantage of some of the small hills in the area to get away. Though the last time the city hosted the Tour de France it was a sprint in the first road stage, won by Erik Zabel, it might be slightly different this time. I still expect the finish to be a sprint, but the final corner comes 500m from the line, as the riders turn from Boulevard Diderot onto Grande Rue. Grande Rue itself is far from flat, actually, and this final 500m slowly turns up from pancake flat to 10% gradients. However, the short distance means this shouldn't be enough to turn it into a puncheur's race, and should still be for the sprinters, but it will be one that favours a Hushovd, a Feillu, a Bennati, a Rojas or a Freire, rather than a Cavendish, Greipel or Petacchi. Those semi-sprinters like Edvald Boasson Hagen and Francesco Gavazzi could also be ones to get up in the mix, and with the opportunities for Classics men to involve themselves in the battle for the points jersey in this Tour you could well see the likes of Boonen and Gilbert trying to involve themselves in this too, while the pure flat sprinters will need to work to maintain high placings in the battle for the points jersey too. Certainly it will likely be a field sprint of some size (probably at least 80 in the bunch coming into Boulogne), but it will be a difficult one to control, with so many different types of sprinter feeling the opportunity is there for them.

Rouen:
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Boulogne-sur-Mer (Grande Rue, where the finish will be located):
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Craig - it's always a problem covering a whole country even with 3 weeks; even when I did Portugal, a country smaller than all of the GT countries, some parts of the country were ignored. The real GTs can never hope to cover their entire countries, and Mexico's a bigger country than any of them. This is the problem facing any Tour of the USA ideas as well; my Vuelta a Argentina only covered the northern, most populated third of the country, and that was with two air transfers in there too.
 
Vuelta a Panama

Stage 2

San Carlos - Santiago (159km)

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Another flat stage but this time we have an slightly technical, uphill sprint to finish. In truth, the finish is no more than a false flat, but hopefully it'll add something different to what is a very straightforward stage. (The parcours do get more interesting from here :)).

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Vuelta a Panama

Stage 3

Chitre - Macaracas (141km)

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The first and only 'hilly' stage of the race. There's nothing too decisive here but some of the sprinters should struggle to stay with the peleton so expect a reduced bunch sprint in Macaracas. Riders with GC ambitions just need to stay out of trouble in preperation for the next two stages

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Today's terrain
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Stage 4: Dunkerque - Valenciennes, 180km

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Climbs:
Mont Cassel (cat.3) 3,3km @ 3,9%
Mont des Cats (cat.4) 2,3km @ 4,9%
Mont Rouge (cat.4) 2,0km @ 4,4%
Mont Kemmel (cat.3) 3,0km @ 4,0%

Points:
Lille (Boulevard de Strasbourg), 100km
Valenciennes (Boulevard Henri Harpignies), finish

Though this one will go down in the route book as a flat stage, this is going to be a big, big day for the General Classification, as the riders get a bit of a taste of the Classics. This stage also features the only excursion of the Tour outside of the borders of France, this being a 22km excursion into Belgium in the first half of the stage. That is because of this:

Secteurs Pavée:
1. Mont Cassel (2000m)
2. Mont Kemmel (1100m)
3. Gruson (1100m)
4. Carrefour de l'Arbre (2100m)
5. Camphin-en-Pévèle (1800m)
6. Wannehain à Bourghelles (1100m)
7. Orchies (1700m)
8. Orchies à Beuvry-la-Forêt (1400m)
9. Tilloy (1100m)
10. Bousignies à Millonfosse (1400m)
11. Trouée d'Arenberg (2400m)

Yes, that's right, the northern Classics are coming to July, and with a much greater ferocity than in 2010 too.

The stage will begin in the historic industrial city of Dunkerque, home of the Quatre Jours de Dunkerque. And after a flat introduction to the stage, the first challenge of the day, that may see the breakaway form or may serve as a bit of a minder for what is to come, is part of the tradition and history of that race, the long cobbled drag up to Mont Cassel.

See Thomas Voeckler triumph on this gradual cobbled climb in the 2011 Quatre Jours here.

Though the climb is very gradual (the maximum gradient is 7%), that two thirds of its length are on cobbles makes it a worthy category 3. The profile shows a bit more of the challenge to the riders. The climb is to be included in Gent-Wevelgem in the future, and it is to this classic that riders' minds must be cast as we continue to wend our way through Flemish France, going through the beautifully French-sounding Steenvoorde and Godewaersvelde en route to the Mont des Cats. As you can see from the profile, this is a bit steeper than Mont Cassel, but the shorter distance and tarmacked surface will make it more bearable, and the break should hoover up the mountain point on offer. Similarly, when the riders cross the border into Belgium the péloton should be able to handle Mont Rouge fairly well, though with the narrow Schomminkelstraat being the approach of choice positioning could be key to avoiding the expenditure of unnecessary energy closing down a gap should a crash cause any problems.

The final climb of the day, cresting an almighty 113km from the finish, is the difficult Kemmelberg, which features some punishing gradients on its final, toughest stretches. See Mont Kemmel being ridden here.

Our tribute to the classics of the area (and to the Driedaagse de Panne-Koksijde, which has been known to use these climbs too) now sated, we will descend back into France, before a benign, flat stretch leading into Lille, where the sprinters will once again fight out the intermediate sprint in the Métropole, on the Boulevard de Strasbourg. The sprinters may well need to take the points here, since it will be hard for them to feature in the rest of the stage unless they are also quality rouleurs. Which of course, some of them are.

From here, there are 80 kilometres left, in which 9 cobbled sectors have been placed as obstacles for the GC contenders. Most of these will be familiar from L'Enfer du Nord, but most of them will be raced in the reverse direction to the one that we're all familiar with. As a result, the first things the riders will face up to is the vicious double act that is the 1100m of the pavé at Gruson followed by the famously difficult Carrefour de l'Arbre... which is followed in short order by Camphin-en-Pévèle. There will be 60km to go at the end of these stretches, and by this point some of the flyweight climbers will already be hating themselves as the rouleurs power over the cobbles and disappear.

The two sectors around Bourghelles follow in short order, before the riders can collect themselves a bit, as from Cysoing to Orchies there are 15km of paved roads and blissful tarmac, allowing the riders to gather their thoughts or put any helpers they have to work closing down gaps. The sector at Orchies is one of those brutal ones, in poor condition and fabled for its difficulty. Its 1700m come with 35km to go, and are immediately followed by another sector, then there are 5km of straight tarmac into Tilloy, for two more sectors, before another 5km of tarmac, before the coup de gras.

The riders will come through Hasnon and then turn right onto the D40. After a couple of kilometres, the road will bear to the right. The riders, however, will not. There are just under 14 kilometres to go to the finish of the stage, and the riders have just hit their toughest test of the day, and the longest continuous stretch of cobbles in the race; the 2400m of agony that make up the Trouée d'Arenberg. The riders will of course be tackling this from the opposite direction to normal, but as it's all in a straight line this should make little difference. No amount of changing direction can make a surface like this ridable, but no, the riders shall have to take this on. They will emerge from the Arenberg with 11 kilometres left, mostly on wide, straight, flat roads into our finishing city of Valenciennes.

Don't expect a bunch sprint here. A Rouleur or Classics specialist could easily give themselves a lead to defend here, and some of the GC candidates could lose a lot of time if they aren't careful. This one could be brutal.

Dunkerque:
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Valenciennes (Boulevard Henri Harpignies):
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Unfortunately any GC guys with teammates after Carrefour de l'Arbre and Camphin-en-Pévèle would hammer it and put guys like Purito out of contention for good. I'm all in favour of cobbles to make a change but perhaps not quite as decisively as your stage would result in.
 
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Unfortunately any GC guys with teammates after Carrefour de l'Arbre and Camphin-en-Pévèle would hammer it and put guys like Purito out of contention for good. I'm all in favour of cobbles to make a change but perhaps not quite as decisively as your stage would result in.

That's why it's 35km shorter than the 2010 one. Only 4 extra sections, just some of them are brutal.

Besides, when we get to the mountains, guys like Purito will have their time to shine, don't worry. Harder mountain stages beget harder rouleur stages to keep the balance ;)

Besides, this means taking a more balanced team with some rouleur domestiques - that means fewer mountain domestiques, which makes the race harder to control later on. There is method to my madness, just you wait :p
 
Vuelta a Panama

Stage 4

San Felix - Alto Quiel (159km)

The GC battle starts proper as the race heads into the Cordillera de Talamanca mountain range for the first of two MTF's.

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Obviously most of the focus will be on the climbs today, but there is potential for crosswinds in the first half of the stage, so we could see splits in the peleton even before the road heads uphill. Even without any crosswinds, the irregular climbs (some pitches up to 25%) later in the stage should create some healthy time gaps ahead of tomorrows decisive queen stage.

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