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I've said this in the past a few times, but i'm still 100% convinced the reason why Mathieu has a lot of his punctures, is because he takes every obstacle and corner at a much higher speed. There is a downside to his way of racing. More pebbles and rocks, tree roots etc, accumulate in corners. Meaning a higher probability of getting a puncture.Aaaah little bit of frustration here. Again a flat tire that prevents a duel to the end. Would have loved to see them side by side till the finish and then do the Flaunders sprint all over again.
If next weeks course is going to be fast like they're saying in the post race interviews, it should suit Mathieu a whole lot more than today, yes?That's going to be tough on Mathieu as a preamble for the Worlds. Hope he recovers well.
It definitely will but Wout has a slight mental advantage.If next weeks course is going to be fast like they're saying in the post race interviews, it should suit Mathieu a whole lot more than today, yes?
Logic, do you really think spotting Wout 29 seconds is no big thing? Come on. As for flats, Wout has one and MVDP 2 this year - pretty random difference, no? Other than the mudfest, the times Wout has tried to chase back to MVDP this year have been a result of him getting dropped by MVDP - whereas MVDP is chasing back because of mechs.I've said this in the past a few times, but i'm still 100% convinced the reason why Mathieu has a lot of his punctures, is because he takes every obstacle and corner at a much higher speed. There is a downside to his way of racing. More pebbles and rocks, tree roots etc, accumulate in corners. Meaning a higher probability of getting a puncture.
After all, a deserved win for van Aert. Mathieu had 21 seconds to close with more than 5 laps remaining. He tried twice and couldn't close it, lost the amount of time the gained in the first place and cooked himself.
It was 21 seconds, not 29. Or in your universe van Aert didn't crash?Logic, do you really think spotting Wout 29 seconds is no big thing? Come on. As for flats, Wout has one and MVDP 2 this year - pretty random difference, no? Other than the mudfest, the times Wout has tried to chase back to MVDP this year have been a result of him getting dropped by MVDP - whereas MVDP is chasing back because of mechs.
Erwin Verwecken did a course preview. Very 'unmuddy' on the infield of the horse track but alot of deep wet beach sand in the other side of the bridge. Don't fully understand dutch, but at one point I think it was about the tide and how a couple of meters higher or lower could be the difference between running and riding.Oostende will be a fast race. Only the sand section could be tricky and heavy. Difficult to overtake unless the riders have to run. BUT...... the organisers were forced (?) to mix the natural sand of the beach with rough sand. So probably the riders will be able to stay in the saddle, the whole beach section. At the Belgian championship, a few years ago, on the same track, the riders could stay in the saddle, the first part of the beach, then had to run to come back in the hippodrome. What a pity they transformed a natural course mixing raw construction sand (forced by the UCI ?). I don't like courses where you cannot not use your strenght and technique to overtake because there is only one trace.
It was 21 seconds, not 29. Or in your universe van Aert didn't crash?
2 vs 1, only a difference of 1. Or a difference of 50%? He was the only top rider to get a puncture yesterday.
Don't know why you are dragging in other races, since i was taking about yesterday.
Stybar will ride WC, suggests race for third is "wide open." That would be cool.
I think I might give Wout the edge this year. MVDP has been beatable by 2 (gasp!) riders, although Pidcock seems to have faded a bit, and yes, I know, flats and all that, but I think in the 2 previous years he would have made up the gap yesterday. Still give MVDP the technical edge but he may have to be perfect to beat Wout, who seems to have a lot of confidence right how. Just hope for no flats, no mechanicals and a clean, hard-fought race...
I could see it going either way, depending on course conditions, luck, etc., but the hard data this year and over their careers says Wout typically needs variables to tip in his favor to beat MVDP. In a 100 races MVDP wins 65% of the time. The only race Wout beat MVDP straight up this year was Dendermonde. Unlikely he would've won the first MVDP flat race earlier this year and probably 50/50 yesterday. All that said, as an MVDP fan, Wout makes me extremely nervous. The amount of power he must be laying down when he's pedaling a big gear through thick, sticky mud sections is pretty wild. He's obviously an absolute beast. In the end, they're lucky to have each other. Sugar Ray Leornard needed Duran and Hearns. Ali needed Frazier. Senna needed Prost, etc., etc.
Lots of technical mishaps today on Eurosport Player.
Come on, 50 minutes without being able to fix the audio channels that were sent and being forced to listen to no audio when Jeremy Powers talked?
Now the riders are being presented and we don't have feed.
Both have their strengths in which they are better than their rival. Neither have real weaknesses, though compared to each other, you could say Wout's weakness is his technique, Mathieu doesn't really have any weakness and is the most balanced and allround rider of the bunch. Wout is a better runner, though Mathieu is still an excellent runner. Wout has more power, though Mathieu is not far behind and both are miles ahead of the rest. Wout seems to handle extreme weather conditions better and i also still give him an edge when it comes to fighting spirit and mentality. But Mathieu is so far superior on a technical level, and even if he is somewhat behind Wout on a few other key points, technique is more often than not the deciding factor, especially on a fast course. One sliding, having to put your foot on the ground and get going again, can cost you 3 seconds. A second and third mistake, you might not make up for.I could see it going either way, depending on course conditions, luck, etc., but the hard data this year and over their careers says Wout typically needs variables to tip in his favor to beat MVDP. In a 100 races MVDP wins 65% of the time. The only race Wout beat MVDP straight up this year was Dendermonde. Unlikely he would've won the first MVDP flat race earlier this year and probably 50/50 yesterday. All that said, as an MVDP fan, Wout makes me extremely nervous. The amount of power he must be laying down when he's pedaling a big gear through thick, sticky mud sections is pretty wild. He's obviously an absolute beast. In the end, they're lucky to have each other. Sugar Ray Leornard needed Duran and Hearns. Ali needed Frazier. Senna needed Prost, etc., etc.
Agree with you on all points Logic - except the "fighting spirit and mentality" part. Wout seems to get a lot of credit for "hanging tough" in instances like SB when he fell off his bike in the finale, or after his short-lived raly at Roubaix after crashing, or lots of cross races vs. MVDP where he never gives in but MVDP still beats him comfortably. That's all fine, but for my money MVDP is much more of a "killer" than Wout - and that's why his win rate across the board is a lot higher. Second obviously means nothing to MVDP. Also, MVDP is always willing to completely throw caution to the wind to go for the win and fairly often does stuff that no one else in the world would pull off. His dominance across three disciplines is in itself something pretty extraordinary. None of this means MVDP will ultimately have the better career than Wout, but to me (a fan of MTB, cross and road) he is just on a different level from anyone else.Both have their strengths in which they are better than their rival. Neither have real weaknesses, though compared to each other, you could say Wout's weakness is his technique, Mathieu doesn't really have any weakness and is the most balanced and allround rider of the bunch. Wout is a better runner, though Mathieu is still an excellent runner. Wout has more power, though Mathieu is not far behind and both are miles ahead of the rest. Wout seems to handle extreme weather conditions better and i also still give him an edge when it comes to fighting spirit and mentality. But Mathieu is so far superior on a technical level, and even if he is somewhat behind Wout on a few other key points, technique is more often than not the deciding factor, especially on a fast course. One sliding, having to put your foot on the ground and get going again, can cost you 3 seconds. A second and third mistake, you might not make up for.
This year we've seen more bad weather than the past few years, hard terrain, fast courses. They favored Mathieu in a way nobody could come close. In bad weather and hard conditions on slow courses, Mathieu becomes human. But even then, probably only one guy can beat him.
Agree with you on all points Logic - except the "fighting spirit and mentality" part. Wout seems to get a lot of credit for "hanging tough" in instances like SB when he fell off his bike in the finale, or after his short-lived raly at Roubaix after crashing, or lots of cross races vs. MVDP where he never gives in but MVDP still beats him comfortably. That's all fine, but for my money MVDP is much more of a "killer" than Wout - and that's why his win rate across the board is a lot higher. Second obviously means nothing to MVDP. Also, MVDP is always willing to completely throw caution to the wind to go for the win and fairly often does stuff that no one else in the world would pull off. His dominance across three disciplines is in itself something pretty extraordinary. None of this means MVDP will ultimately have the better career than Wout, but to me (a fan of MTB, cross and road) he is just on a different level from anyone else.Both have their strengths in which they are better than their rival. Neither have real weaknesses, though compared to each other, you could say Wout's weakness is his technique, Mathieu doesn't really have any weakness and is the most balanced and allround rider of the bunch. Wout is a better runner, though Mathieu is still an excellent runner. Wout has more power, though Mathieu is not far behind and both are miles ahead of the rest. Wout seems to handle extreme weather conditions better and i also still give him an edge when it comes to fighting spirit and mentality. But Mathieu is so far superior on a technical level, and even if he is somewhat behind Wout on a few other key points, technique is more often than not the deciding factor, especially on a fast course. One sliding, having to put your foot on the ground and get going again, can cost you 3 seconds. A second and third mistake, you might not make up for.
This year we've seen more bad weather than the past few years, hard terrain, fast courses. They favored Mathieu in a way nobody could come close. In bad weather and hard conditions on slow courses, Mathieu becomes human. But even then, probably only one guy can beat him.
Erwin Verwecken did a course preview. Very 'unmuddy' on the infield of the horse track but alot of deep wet beach sand in the other side of the bridge. Don't fully understand dutch, but at one point I think it was about the tide and how a couple of meters higher or lower could be the difference between running and riding.
View: https://youtu.be/z5AKGcAYZBg
There are other examples. Remember WCC 2016, when both lost a lot of time early in the race (their wheels got tangled). Mathieu put his head down, and Wout started chasing van der Haar, caught him, and became worldchampion. In 2018 Wout rode away from Mathieu, who again put his head down, got caught by Vantourenhout, en nearly got caught by Aerts as well. If you look at their careers, there are plenty more examples of Mathieu giving up, and Wout being a fighter. His comeback after a near-career-ending injury is also testament of that. As were his efforts in the TDF last summer. On the other hand, it is true that since Amstel, it seems like Mathieu has learned that it can pay of to keep fighting.Agree with you on all points Logic - except the "fighting spirit and mentality" part. Wout seems to get a lot of credit for "hanging tough" in instances like SB when he fell off his bike in the finale, or after his short-lived raly at Roubaix after crashing, or lots of cross races vs. MVDP where he never gives in but MVDP still beats him comfortably. That's all fine, but for my money MVDP is much more of a "killer" than Wout - and that's why his win rate across the board is a lot higher. Second obviously means nothing to MVDP. Also, MVDP is always willing to completely throw caution to the wind to go for the win and fairly often does stuff that no one else in the world would pull off. His dominance across three disciplines is in itself something pretty extraordinary. None of this means MVDP will ultimately have the better career than Wout, but to me (a fan of MTB, cross and road) he is just on a different level from anyone else.
I'd say from the Belgian Champs a couple of years ago that the hippodrome area is more of an area for recovery after the bridges and sand. It will depend on the weather. If it's frosty or damp, then the hippodrome might cut up and the sand may just form ruts that are easy to ride, however they may also take some sort of tractor, with a roller or plough, round the beach to drag any ruts out in order to make in harder. I think the bridges could be quite decisive aswell as they are about 21% for 10 or 15 seconds, twice each lap. If someone really attacks those early one in the race, they might pay for that later on. Plus the second is straight from the beach to the bridge, meaning having the right gear when they dismount in order to get on in the sand and be able to pedal up the steep ramp.Seeing that video the course looks quite easy but it was difficult to judge some of the grassy sections and it's also about speed. The sand cannot be a major problem for the best riders unless it changes completely. Hulst and Antwerpen looked harder.
Agreed on all points. MVDP has definitely has learned from his failures throughout his career, and that is one of the key traits that the absolute elite of the elite possess - they are their own worst critics, and are really never satisfied with their own performance - win or lose. Wout's comeback has been incredibly impressive, and based off his accomplishments in 2020 he's no doubt a more "valuable" road guy. I don't think you'll ever see MVDP doing tempo for GC contenders (and much lesser riders than Wout and MVDP) like Wout is willing to do. And I doubt you'll ever see him doing the work necessary to be a top TT guy. But you will see MVDP doing some pretty mind boggling stuff on the MTB - hopefully.There are other examples. Remember WCC 2016, when both lost a lot of time early in the race (their wheels got tangled). Mathieu put his head down, and Wout started chasing van der Haar, caught him, and became worldchampion. In 2018 Wout rode away from Mathieu, who again put his head down, got caught by Vantourenhout, en nearly got caught by Aerts as well. If you look at their careers, there are plenty more examples of Mathieu giving up, and Wout being a fighter. His comeback after a near-career-ending injury is also testament of that. As were his efforts in the TDF last summer. On the other hand, it is true that since Amstel, it seems like Mathieu has learned that it can pay of to keep fighting.
I completely agree if you look at the three disciplines, what Mathieu has done/is doing, is unique and deserves all the praise. But it doesn't take away anything of what Wout is doing (mainly on the road), where i find him more impressive than Mathieu.