Radios - Safety or Control of your riders?

[danjo007]

while they're at trying to ban race radio, they should include vaughters in that package too. then we'll be all happy.

 

[masking_agent]

I think the UCI should give the riders the opportunity to have a vote and then base their decision on the outcome. Those for radios and those against.

 

[Benedict XVI]

I think the UCI should give the riders the opportunity to have a vote and then base their decision on the outcome. Those for radios and those against.

It won't change much, imho. 90% of the riders would vote as their team owners would tell them to.

What UCI should do is ban Vaug for life, take his DS licence, or whatever and remind him of his place in the system - you are director fricking sportive! - Sit in your car and don't meddle into the sport - IT'S NOT YOUR COMPETITION, IT'S NOT YOUR RACE, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SUPPORT FOR A REAL ATHLETE AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OF DECISION IN SPORT WHATSOEVER! Your time is over, now just shut up and keep handing out the bottles and spare wheels!

 

[BroDeal]

I think the UCI should give the riders the opportunity to have a vote and then base their decision on the outcome. Those for radios and those against.

I think the UCI should give the fans the opportunity to have a vote.

The UCI did give the riders a chance. The vast majority did not care enough to give their opinion. Of those who did, it was about an even split.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Vaughters is a tosser with an ego problem. Period

 

[El Imbatido]

Vaughters is a tosser with an ego problem. Period

Yeah i know....i saw your tweet

Bit harsh on him though isn't it after your conversations with him? You guys seemed to get on alright?

Collingwood suck

 

[auscyclefan94]

Yeah i know....i saw your tweet

Bit harsh on him though isn't it after your conversations with him? You guys seemed to get on alright?

Collingwood suck...but are reigning premiers

NO we actually always have argued. I thought he was a **** since the Lowe/White/Del Moral issue though I never completely trusted him anyway.

 

[B_Ugli]

The fact is that the UCI have brought in a rule which has now passed the negotiation/consultation stage.

The riders had their chance and when Cedric Vasseur polled all the riders and the majority didnt seem to bothered about a radio ban.

Vaughters et al should give it a rest as to the watching public they are acting like spoilt brats and need to start acting like grown ups. If I was PM I would just say sorry chaps, the decision has been made end of.

 

[BroDeal]

NO we actually always have argued. I thought he was a **** since the Lowe/White/Del Moral issue though I never completely trusted him anyway.

Sideshow Jon and Sideshow Bob.

 

[Oldman]

Sideshow Jon and Sideshow Bob.

Make fun of him if you will but I saw him outclimb the entire Pro peloton at Mammoth's prologue TT. He had turned 17 years old and probably thought things would get better in this sport.

 

[BroDeal]

Make fun of him if you will but I saw him outclimb the entire Pro peloton at Mammoth's prologue TT. He had turned 17 years old and probably thought things would get better in this sport.

That must have been before he turned into a sham artist using an anti-dope bamboozle to connive his way into a position of power so he could sanctimoniously pass off his self serving plans for cycling as a way to revolutionize the sport.

 

[zigmeister]

Teams and riders have become reliant on radios for many reasons. Yes, primarily due to tactics and control/directions by the team managers/directors during races.

But there are many other things they do. Like, when a rider has a flat or bike issue. How are they supposed to know a rider has a flat or needs a bike swap due to a wreck? They just happen to wheel on up and say hey, is that our guy on the side of the road waving his hands needing something?!?!

I think the UCI primarily thinks, and wants the directors to not have communications regarding tactics and critical information regarding such during the race. But they have to also understand that there is some safety, and requirements to talk to team cars for support they are allowed to receive during a race.

Who knows how this will play out, I think a compromise of some sort is in order, but the stupid team directors/reps need to stop walking out of meetings like a child having a tantrum, because their less than 24hr request to change the agenda didn't happen, and some reporters were present.

 

[Oldman]

That must have been before he turned into a sham artist using an anti-dope bamboozle to connive his way into a position of power so he could sanctimoniously pass off his self serving plans for cycling as a way to revolutionize the sport.

Yes, like I said-he was 17. Like many former pros that have dreams he may have found the ideal product to sell for this time. And since he didn't take the "whole soup" approach to his racing maybe he feels justified; seeing as almost all the DSs seem to be a notch below Carny Barker in terms of how they run their respective teams.
On the other hand, the merger between ABA/NBA, AFL/NFL, etc. came from humble and shakey beginnings. Maybe he'd be the ideal choice for Commissioner of Cycling (there's an acronym in that somewhere).

 

[VeloFidelis]

The outrage over what time to schedule the discussion about radios was a charade. Vaughters and co. intended to walk out no matter what. They were looking for a excuse, and if they could not find one then they would create one. But just like choosing radios to confront the UCI, they have again chosen a stupid issue to rally behind. Demanding a schedule change the day before and going apesh!t when it is not accepted makes the teams look idiotic.

Attempting to appear well informed regarding things you can't possibly know anything about, makes you look the same.

 

[BroDeal]

Attempting to appear well informed regarding things you can't possibly know anything about, makes you look the same.

Perhaps you can explain to us why they demanded a schedule change the day before the meeting, knowing full well that meetings like this are filled with people who can quote Robert's rules of order by memory. It could not possibly be to create a pretext to walk out, now could it? Enlighten us, o' wise one.

 

[Oldman]

Perhaps you can explain to us why they demanded a schedule change the day before the meeting, knowing full well that meetings like this are filled with people who can quote Robert's rules of order by memory. It could not possibly be to create a pretext to walk out, now could it? Enlighten us, o' wise one.

None of these players are real good at brinksmanship, either. Unless Vaughters and Co. already have an agreement with some big races they will only entrench the Irish Mafia. Stupid move about a stupid issue.

 

[VeloFidelis]

Perhaps you can explain to us why they demanded a schedule change the day before the meeting, knowing full well that meetings like this are filled with people who can quote Robert's rules of order by memory. It could not possibly be to create a pretext to walk out, now could it? Enlighten us, o' wise one.

It could be, but you have no way of knowing that it was. You got one minor fact correct. The rest of it... you just made up.

 

[BroDeal]

It could be, but you have no way of knowing that it was. You got one minor fact correct. The rest of it... you just made up.

No, I deduced it based on the previous behavior of Vaughters and crew. They have obviously been using the radio issue as a pawn in a power dispute with the UCI, going so far as to make risible safety claims and flat out lying about the use of radios to control races. It is not a great leap in logic to think that they would use a dispute over a schedule change in a similar manner, as a pretext to fight with the UCI. They clearly manufactured the schedule dispute since no reasonable person would demand a last minute change and threaten to walk out if they did not get one. Ergo they must have wanted to wanted to walk out. They were looking for any reason to break off relations with the UCI and deepen the divide. This sort of thing is done in politics all the time.

 

[VeloFidelis]

No, I deduced it based on the previous behavior of Vaughters and crew. They have obviously been using the radio issue as a pawn in a power dispute with the UCI, going so far as to make risible safety claims and flat out lying about the use of radios to control races. It is not a great leap in logic to think that they would use a dispute over a schedule change in a similar manner, as a pretext to fight with the UCI. They clearly manufactured the schedule dispute since no reasonable person would demand a last minute change and threaten to walk out if they did not get one. Ergo they must have wanted to wanted to walk out. They were looking for any reason to break off relations with the UCI and deepen the divide. This sort of thing is done in politics all the time.

Deduction from a distance being what it is... I'll stick with my original theory. You're just making sh!t up. Oh, it's a great story of conspiracy and subterfuge from and obviously fertile mind, but maybe you should put the bong down for a while and stick with facts that can actually be documented.

 

[LugHugger]

So, common sense has prevailed. Gianni Bugno is brokering a deal with the UCI on behalf of the riders addressing their genuine safety concerns.

It would seem that the riders have decided to take ownership of the debate since the DS's are clearly unable to conduct themselves professionally or form a cogent argument. The credibility of Vaughters/Bruyneel/Riis etc is utterly shot and the prospect of a 'breakaway' league is rapidly disappearing under the direction of these fools.

 

[danjo007]

bugno wont fight for no radio... do you think he will or sdomething?

 

[Mellow Velo]

At least it serves to show that for these DS's, race radios were not at the top of their agenda.................as if we didn't know.
Hopefully, a sensible compromise can be found and that this will torpedo Bruyneel's ship of fools.

 

[BroDeal]

Deduction from a distance being what it is... I'll stick with my original theory. You're just making sh!t up. Oh, it's a great story of conspiracy and subterfuge from and obviously fertile mind, but maybe you should put the bong down for a while and stick with facts that can actually be documented.

Maybe you can stick to making up strawman arguments like "this unproven nostalgic idea that radios have single handedly been responsible for a degradation in the quality of racing." Or you could make incomprehensible analogies between radio use in races and people carrying cell phones like this one:

Do you feel safer with a cell phone in your pocket? Do you take it with you when you ride? I doubt that you expect a phone call about that upcoming pothole, but you do take it with you, so it is about safety. If you don't think so, then leave it at home, or better yet turn it off for a month. Statistically you are at no greater risk, but you sure do feel more vulnerable. Is that about "safety"?

Or better yet, you could try thinking a little by attempting to figure out when people are stating opinions and when they are stating fact.

 

[LugHugger]

bugno wont fight for no radio... do you think he will or sdomething?

perhaps you missed this?

 

[Oldman]

Deduction from a distance being what it is... I'll stick with my original theory. You're just making sh!t up. Oh, it's a great story of conspiracy and subterfuge from and obviously fertile mind, but maybe you should put the bong down for a while and stick with facts that can actually be documented.

The "radio issue" is clearly just what Bro claims...a diversionary tweak at UCI to create a larger situation. Unfortunately the professionalism is so lacking on both sides nothing substantial has come from it. That the named DSs would demand a schedule change and then walk out before actually talking about it is C- grade guerilla political theatre. Make that D- since they came close to total failure. At least they proved they were as petulant and immature as McQuaid so the player's stature on both sides is well-defined.