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CentralCaliBike said:
I guess none of LA's previous teammates had ambitions - probably why they road only for him and faded into obscurity when the they no longer on the team.

I assume you are being sarcastic
 
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Hog reckons Steegmans will win 10 races next year and can beat Cavendish. If you don't believe me, check out the comments from Mr Bruyneel on the frontpage.
 
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The Hog has made an interesting statement about Steegmans
Steegmans can win, but he can do so without standing in the way of the team's other ambitions; that is just what we were looking for."

Steegmans can win all he likes, but he must **** off when Lance or Levi want to lead/race.
 
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George is on the retirement tour promoting his clothing line on an up and coming team run by long time friend jim ochowicz with "high ambitions" focused on classics and it is a good move.
 
kurtinsc said:
Oh well... he didn't sound very upset... or really upset in the slightest... by reading the interview. But perhaps you have more insight into the matter.

I was proffering my opinion. I don't know the kid from Adam, so he very well could careless (but given the excitement he demonstrated when he was first told he was riding, I get the impression that he was more than a little disappointed--especially finding out in the manner he did). But again, just my opinion. Your mileage clearly varies.
 
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You know I always thought it was interesting that Daryl Impey, a proud member of Bike Pure, would join Radio Shack, and Lance and Hog would sign him. Or they will use it as PR spin in their favour.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
Well, who do you guys think the 10 riders are?
Lance wouldn't even allow Ferrari to work with ex-Posties.

Well, there's two ways to look at it.

1. He's lying. If that's the case, it could be 0 riders or 100. He might be advising half the pro-tour teams in the pelaton. There's no reason to discuss it if that's the case... because nothing in the article would tell us anything.

2. He's telling the truth. In that case it's low to mid level riders and no big names. The only solid statements are that he's NOT advising Lance or Vino at the moment. Of course if he's telling the truth then he's clean, and didn't help people through doping, but rather through the "art of coaching".

All in all it's a non-story... quotes that can't be taken for any degree of truth because he's not a reliable source.
 
kurtinsc said:
All in all it's a non-story... quotes that can't be taken for any degree of truth because he's not a reliable source.

Yet, you and Jr take the Hog to task, because he isn't directly quoted as saying he's working with the The Shack?
Why worry, if he's not a credible source for his own involvement?
So, I take it, the idea that Ferrari working with LA/JB's team, would only become reliable, were it varified by LA or JB.
Like when Lance announced he was going to work with Don Catlin.
 
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Getting back on topic:rolleyes: Just thought i would review how well balanced this team is;).
Lance Armstrong (USA) - General Classification for stage races
Fumiyuki Beppu (Jpn) - Domestique for stage races
Sam Bewley (NZl) - Sprinting domestique for Steegmans
Jani Brajkovic (Slo) - Domestique for stage races
Matthew Busche (USA) -
Ben Hermans (Bel) -
Chris Horner (USA) - Domestique for stage races
Daryl Impey (RSA) - Sprinting domestique
Markel Irizar (Spa) -
Andreas Klöden (Ger) - Domestique/ possible leader for stage races
Levi Leipheimer (USA) - Domestique/ possible leader for stage races
Geoffroy Lequatre (Fra) - Domestique for stage races
Fuyu Li (Chn) - Domestique for stge races
Tiago Machado (Por) -
Jason McCartney (USA) - Domestique for stage races
Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz) - Domestique for stage races/alright at one day races
Sérgio Paulinho (Por) - Domestique for stage races
Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) - Domestique for stage races
Gregory Rast (Swi) - Domestique for stage races/ alright at one day races
Sébastien Rosseler (Bel) - Domestique for stage races
Ivan Rovny (Rus) - Domestique for stage races
José Luis Rubiera (Spa) - Domestique for stage races
Bjorn Selander (USA) -
Gert Steegmans (Bel) - Main Sprinter
Tomas Vaitkus (Ltu) - Domestique for sprints/stage races + one day racer
Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) -Domestique for stage races/ can lead some races

PLEASE NOTE:I have left a few people blank as I know not much about them and the roles of these riders is based on the results and common knowledge of the rider. If you have any suggestions please do so.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
Yet, you and Jr take the Hog to task, because he isn't directly quoted as saying he's working with the The Shack?
Why worry, if he's not a credible source for his own involvement?
So, I take it, the idea that Ferrari working with LA/JB's team, would only become reliable, were it varified by LA or JB.
Like when Lance announced he was going to work with Don Catlin.

No, I took him to task because he tried to insinuate the story said the opposite of what it actually said.

Had he posted the same story and said that it's proof that Lance is clean, I would have thought that was pretty stupid too.


Look, I think Lance has doped over the years and I think he's doping now. I think EVERY cyclist who's won anything of note over the last 20 years has been a doper. The last one I even entertain MIGHT be clean is Greg Lemond... and I'm not too sure of that. It really has nothing to do with Lance.

I get annoyed though when someone posts a link and insinuates it says something... which I then click on in interest... only to find out the person posting it is full of crap. It's like someone saying "Free Beer here"... then I go in and there's a 5 dollar transport fee from the tap to my hand.

Annoying. And he's doing it repeatedly.
 
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Race Radio said:
Interesting that Ferrari says he worked with Lance until his retirement in 2005. Guess this was a lie
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004/oct/02/cycling.cycling

If a rider with an Italian Pro license works with Ferrari he will be banned, no wonder they are keeping it quite.

I thought that was already accepted fact. I though Lance had admitted that he worked with Ferrari a long time ago.

Look... I think anyone who believes Lance wasn't doped to the gills is foolish. They all are... at least all the ones with meaningful results. Perhaps some of the domestiques are clean... and perhaps some of them would be winning races if the rest of the pelaton weren't so juiced.

Cycling isn't a clean sport. That doesn't mean it isn't fun to watch.
 
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kurtinsc said:
I thought that was already accepted fact. I though Lance had admitted that he worked with Ferrari a long time ago.

You might want to read the link

Armstrong admitted he worked with Ferrari. When Ferrari was convicted he publicly cut ties with him....but continued to work with him as did members of the team. Most would call that a lie.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Getting back on topic:rolleyes: Just thought i would review how well balanced this team is;).
Lance Armstrong (USA) - General Classification for stage races
Fumiyuki Beppu (Jpn) - Domestique for stage races
Sam Bewley (NZl) - Sprinting domestique for Steegmans
Jani Brajkovic (Slo) - Domestique for stage races
Matthew Busche (USA) -
Ben Hermans (Bel) -
Chris Horner (USA) - Domestique for stage races
Daryl Impey (RSA) - Sprinting domestique
Markel Irizar (Spa) -
Andreas Klöden (Ger) - Domestique/ possible leader for stage races
Levi Leipheimer (USA) - Domestique/ possible leader for stage races
Geoffroy Lequatre (Fra) - Domestique for stage races
Fuyu Li (Chn) - Domestique for stge races
Tiago Machado (Por) -
Jason McCartney (USA) - Domestique for stage races
Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz) - Domestique for stage races/alright at one day races
Sérgio Paulinho (Por) - Domestique for stage races
Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) - Domestique for stage races
Gregory Rast (Swi) - Domestique for stage races/ alright at one day races
Sébastien Rosseler (Bel) - Domestique for stage races
Ivan Rovny (Rus) - Domestique for stage races
José Luis Rubiera (Spa) - Domestique for stage races
Bjorn Selander (USA) -
Gert Steegmans (Bel) - Main Sprinter
Tomas Vaitkus (Ltu) - Domestique for sprints/stage races + one day racer
Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) -Domestique for stage races/ can lead some races

PLEASE NOTE:I have left a few people blank as I know not much about them and the roles of these riders is based on the results and common knowledge of the rider. If you have any suggestions please do so.

Some that you've listed as sprinters/domestiques are solid northern classic riders. And Horner, while he hasn't done much of it recently, is a decent 1-day racer. 12th in Lombardia coming back from a Vuelta injury last year and 7th in 2008. Not sure he'll be used in them much though. Iriziar is also a stage race domestique. Brajkovic could also be a capable hilly 1-day racer. He's podiumed at Lombardia before.

Radioshack probably won't let anyone on their team plan their season around any major 1-day races... with the possible exception of Steegmans and his support crew... and maybe letting some of the guys try to peak for Lombardia after the Tour is over. But some of them might do okay if they were allowed to do so.
 
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Race Radio said:
You might want to read the link

Armstrong admitted he worked with Ferrari. When Ferrari was convicted he publicly cut ties with him....but continued to work with him as did members of the team. Most would call that a lie.

Yep... probably is a lie... if you believe Ferrari's statement.

Of course... if you believe his statement then you also think he never told anyone to use an illegal substance... which is pretty hard to swallow as well.

So we get into saying part of it is credible and part isn't... which isn't exactly safe ground to build any kind of argument on.

He's lying about not working with Lance now... but he was telling the truth about working with him until 2005... but he was lying about not providing doping regimines... but he was not lying when he says he's got 10 cyclists under his training now... but he was not lying when he said Vino was a client until 2007... but he is lying when he says he's not helping Vino now...


That's the problem with basing an argument on a non-credible source... and it's also the problem with trying to use the fact the source is not credible as proof he must be lying. It's VERY hard to have it both ways.
 
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kurtinsc said:
Yep... probably is a lie... if you believe Ferrari's statement.

Of course... if you believe his statement then you also think he never told anyone to use an illegal substance... which is pretty hard to swallow as well.

So we get into saying part of it is credible and part isn't... which isn't exactly safe ground to build any kind of argument on.

He's lying about not working with Lance now... but he was telling the truth about working with him until 2005... but he was lying about not providing doping regimines... but he was not lying when he says he's got 10 cyclists under his training now... but he was not lying when he said Vino was a client until 2007... but he is lying when he says he's not helping Vino now...


That's the problem with basing an argument on a non-credible source... and it's also the problem with trying to use the fact the source is not credible as proof he must be lying. It's VERY hard to have it both ways.

Kurt, But if it fits your point of view. There is nothing wrong with it. Basically if it helps your(anybody) side of a discussion then he is credible. If he doesn't then he isn't credible. It just depends on if you want to sling mud or be productive and quit with obsessions.

Don't you think?
 

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