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Another infraction for Andynonomous.

I received another infraction at "MensTennisForums.Com", for posting a message that is accusatory of Rafael Nadal. My posting included a link that was also made in this thread, a few postings above this one.
http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2011/09/22/news-and-notes-sept-22-2011/ (half way down the page)

The posting at MTF DID NOT include anything about Nadal in the title, or the body of the OP (The link does however include an accusation from another professional tennis player).

Here is the private message I got from a mod at MTF 4 days after I made the posting.



scoobs said:
Dear AndyNonomous,

You have received an infraction at MensTennisForums.com.

Reason: Doping Allegations
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You have a posting history of strongly inferring that Rafael Nadal uses PEDs.

There has been no evidence of this presented other than peoples' opinions on how he has played at different times in his career.

This forum does not allow players to be accused of using PEDs by posters unless one of the tennis authorities has brought action against that player and an official case is underway.

You need to stop making these claims. Your further posts will be monitored and if it continues, it will lead to suspension and eventual expulsion from the site.

Please take this as warning.

Thanks

scoobs.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
MensTennisForums.com




And my responce to the Mod :




1) The post with which you refer is about 4 days old.
Why did it take you so long to give me an infraction since you deleted the posting right away ?

2) The post title in question, did NOT refer to Nadal's doping. The accusation was made in the body of the linked story, BY A PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER. That is relevant news. To delete it is censorship.

3) I have had postings deleted that imply that Nadal is a doper before, yet I was always given some BS excuse that it was some other reason that the posting was deleted (ie. SNOWWY deleted one posting that was accusatory of Nadal, under the auspices of it being "Spam". and another, under the auspices that it had an
"outside link".
So now, with this infraction, you are admitting that SNOWWY lied. The real reason I have been getting postings deleted, was because I have made accusations against Nadal. THERE IS NO REASON OTHER THAN MY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THE ROID MONKEY, THAT MY POSTINGS HAVE BEEN DELETED.

4) You say (like many Nadal fans) that there is no evidence against Nadal. BS. There is an overwhelming set of circumstantial evidence against him.

- His magical serve speed changes that go up and down from week to week (you mods have deleted any mention of this magical ability, SO YOU KNOW YOURSELF,THAT THIS IS DAMNING EVIDENCE AGAINST NADAL).
- His dramatic body shape changes, that go up and down, in conjunction with his performance (up in 2008, down in 2009, up in 2010,...).
- He is from Spain, where there have been many doping investigations. The Spanish authorities have done everything in their power to "clear" their "sporting heroes". There is strong evidence (from Fuente's wife, a participant at the 1992 Olympics), that doping has become a way of life for Spanish "athletes".
- His rumoured connection with the doping doctor, Fuentes.
- His vigorous, and numerous complaints about out of competition testing.
- His "standing up" for doping cheats like Gasquet, Wickmayer.
- The whispers by other tennis professionals (like Rochus) that they suspect that Nadal is on something.
- Most fans suspect that Nadal is doping. The posting that I got my first infraction was for adding a link to a tenniswarehouse poll that showed more than 70&#37]
 
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JMBeaushrimp said:
Apparently it behooves one to not **** Andy off...
although he seems to have a particular bee in his bonnet about Rafa that goes above and beyond the call of duty when you consider how many are suspect out there :rolleyes:
 
Dec 30, 2010
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thirteen said:
although he seems to have a particular bee in his bonnet about Rafa that goes above and beyond the call of duty when you consider how many are suspect out there :rolleyes:



Although there are many suspects playing professional tennis, none of them are any where near as brazen, or undeserving as Rafael Nadal.


If you have played the game, you would realize how untalented Nadal is. His game is his speed, strength and stamina. Period. His forehand is not possible, without vastly superior upper body strength. His defence is not possible without his vastly superior speed and stamina. Without the forehand, or defence, he is not nearly good enough to be a professional tennis player.

If, as I very strongly suspect, that his physical abilities are artificial, then he is a huge fake. Yet he is touted as one of the best of all time. Armstrong is a special case, therefore gets special attention. Nadal is a special case, and therefore deserves special attention.


This is why I have a "bee in my bonnet".
 
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thirteen said:
although he seems to have a particular bee in his bonnet about Rafa that goes above and beyond the call of duty when you consider how many are suspect out there :rolleyes:

nonetheless; that was a serious *ss-tearing. good on him...
 
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Andynonomous said:
Although there are many suspects playing professional tennis, none of them are any where near as brazen, or undeserving as Rafael Nadal.


If you have played the game, you would realize how untalented Nadal is. His game is his speed, strength and stamina. Period. His forehand is not possible, without vastly superior upper body strength. His defence is not possible without his vastly superior speed and stamina. Without the forehand, or defence, he is not nearly good enough to be a professional tennis player.

If, as I very strongly suspect, that his physical abilities are artificial, then he is a huge fake. Yet he is touted as one of the best of all time. Armstrong is a special case, therefore gets special attention. Nadal is a special case, and therefore deserves special attention.


This is why I have a "bee in my bonnet".

LOL

Shorter andy: without x, he wouldn't be y. without a, he wouldn't be b. That makes him special though others dope so that is what ****es me off.

I get it now. :rolleyes:
 
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I remember watching Nadal at Wimbledon when he looked a lot thinner. I don't trust him, but I don't see him failing a test, shame but true.
 
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ha! anyone watch the Murray-Nadal Tokyo final?

so, i have zero hope for tennis cleaning up. Nadal is such an obvious doper and Djokovic is really unbelievable. No one is talking in the tennis world.

I guess in light of the situation, my hope would be that all of them have access to the same training programs, doctors, procedures...to make a level playing field.

Andy Murray humbled a healthy and injury excuse-free Nadal. (Nadal's arms do appear the size of Murray's legs) but Murray was able to match him shot for shot and then out perform Nadal in the 2nd set and finish Nadal off in 3 sets. Actually Nadal appeared to give up fighting in the final set in a similar way he did versus Djokovic at US Open final. Murray didn't appear tired by the effort. Is it simply that winning is effortless? I was more impressed by how Murray defeated Nadal than how Djokovic did it. Perhaps it's merely Nadal getting old and wearing down? But Nadal was as fast as ever and bludgeoning the ball like usual. Murray had the energy to keep up and is naturally a better server and shotmaker, imo. Nothing has ever looked natural about Nadal's performances -though very effective.

It's also a lucky coincidence that Sky athletes are doing so well. just saying. As i said, if they are not going to clean up these sports for real, make it fair. I'm sick of having the same ones win all the time unbelievably. It was so great to watch Murray keep up with Nadal. Next comes Shanghai 1000 atp point tournament and a similar draw with Nadal and Murray seeded 1 and 2. We'll see if Andy can do it again.
 
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I agree - looked like a put up match. Interesting that Murray will now bump Federer down to no 4. though...maybe thats what Nadal was up to.
 
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Wow..all of you guys have serious self esteem issues :p

I am not arguing if Nadal does PEDs or not, I think he does as all of top tennis player. You guys are missing the fact that these guys are professional athletes since they are like 14, junior circuit in tennis is a pro sport already. Tennis is a multimillion dollar sport; so much like NFL, NBA or MLB there are some serious bucks behind these guys and likely they all have access to programs, doctors, drugs, etc. Top 200 ATP guy makes more money than top 20 UCI guy..do the math...

Very likely Djokovic and Nadal do juice but how about Murray that went to Florida to do some gym work and gain some weight?? Give me a break. Let me guess southern European players dope while anglo-saxon players are clean??...arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand..:p
 
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indurain666 said:
Wow..all of you guys have serious self esteem issues :p

I am not arguing if Nadal does PEDs or not, I think he does as all of top tennis player. You guys are missing the fact that these guys are professional athletes since they are like 14, junior circuit in tennis is a pro sport already. Tennis is a multimillion dollar sport; so much like NFL, NBA or MLB there are some serious bucks behind these guys and likely they all have access to programs, doctors, drugs, etc. Top 200 ATP guy makes more money than top 20 UCI guy..do the math...

Very likely Djokovic and Nadal do juice but how about Murray that went to Florida to do some gym work and gain some weight?? Give me a break. Let me guess southern European players dope while anglo-saxon players are clean??...arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand..:p

lol. what is your problem?

who is missing the fact or mentioned that atp top 100, i wouldn't guess top 200, make more than top a 20 UCI guy? and i'm certainly not discriminating about who. they don't all have the same access to doctors, programs, drugs; nor do all have the same connections or priority placed on them. one can hardly say wayne odesnik is in the same league as sampras, federer or nadal. no serious bucks were behind wayne or other tennis doping news-makers.:confused: catching wayne hardly does anything to cast a clean light on the sport. how hard was that? what's this anglo's clean, southern europeans not, issue? imo roddick is in a continual state of roid rage on court but he's not going to test positive, is he? fish? there is something fishy about the fish, no?

i was simply happy to finally see someone other than federer and nadal dominating the sport with their unbelievable performances. not saying they don't have to first possess essentials to be enhanced. it is unbelievable that they are the only tennis athletes capable of enhancement to dominate the way they have, or the way sampras did, for that matter. murray and djokovic are a start but i'd like to see others have a shot. and again, i am saying i doubt very much that access or protection is equal through the rankings of even the top 100, really. the priority goes to the current stars but testing? ha. no. only someone more lowly would test positive or be busted for match fixing and have it make the news. davydenko must have ****** -off someone big.
 
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Gingerale said:
who is missing the fact or mentioned that atp top 100, i wouldn't guess top 200, make more than top a 20 UCI guy?

Earnings in tennis is highly concentrated at the top of the game, you need to be in the top 100 at least to make comfortable living. Tobias Kamke, ranked 100, has earned $290k this year, which goes quickly when you consider fees for coaching, travel, hotels and other expenses associated with life on tour. The world 200 has earned just $68k.
 
Dec 30, 2010
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And another deleted thread at Mens Tennis Forums.

Today I started a thread at "Mens Tennis Forums" about a tennis journalist's story. There was nothing controversial in the title, or body of the OP. I didn't mention any player names, or even suggest doping in any way. Yet the thread was deleted in seconds.

The thread just linked to the following article about how "tennis is getting older".
http://tennis.com/articles/templates/features.aspx?articleid=14729&zoneid=9

Of course baseball "got older", during it's "steroids era" (Clemens, Bonds, McGuire, Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson all played better in their late 30s and early 40s than they did in their 20s).
 
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Andynonomous said:
Didn't his uncle play for Barca? I suspect that his uncle didn't get his muscles from "genetics", just as I doubt that Rafael got his from "genetics".
The rest of the family are NOT overly muscular.

Regardless of genetics, you need the proper exercises to bulk up. Tennis playing, and practise does not give you the proper exercises to bulk up.

Rafa uses two Doctors to "prepare" for tournaments:
- Angel Ruiz Cortorro -
http://www.medabcn.com/doctors/cotorro

What is his specialty ?
"...he is a licensed physician for completion of doping control..."
Translated - He is the physician responsible for keeping athletes from testing positive. I suspect that he is no different than Dr. Ferrari.

- Mikel Sánchez
http://www.orthosupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=61319
Performs the "PRP treatment" on Nadal's knees. This treatment has been tested, and NO MEASURABLE POSITIVE EFFECT HAS BEEN FOUND. It is highly likely this "tendon repair treatment", is actually a cover used to inject IGF1 to enhance muscle growth. Canadian doctor that specializes in PRP treatment - Dr. Galea - was caught importing growth hormones into the US.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/anthony-galeas-path-from-treating-superstars-to-pleading-guilty/article2092104/

I VERY strongly suspect that Nadal's two doctors have MUCH more to do with his musculature, than does his "genetics". This is why Spanish athletes are doing so well now. In most other countries these "doctors" would have been thrown in jail, yet in Spain, they dope athletes to the gills with impunity (as does Dr. Fuentes, who has been caught by the Guardia Civil TWICE, yet he is still a free man, and still helping athletes to be "healthy").

I don't know which is more important, but Miguel Angel Nadal was stronger and more muscular than most football players and I doubt very much that he was on a program on his own playing in a team sport.

I believe he doped the same way Rafa dopes today, but that is applicable to most professional athletes. It is very likely that the quality of the doping is a factor too and maybe Nadal is on the better stuff.

But he is not alone on this ride by any means.

BTW, game theory helps explaining why there are cheaters in professional sports.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-doping-game-payoffs
 
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Gingerale said:
ha! anyone watch the Murray-Nadal Tokyo final?

so, i have zero hope for tennis cleaning up. Nadal is such an obvious doper and Djokovic is really unbelievable. No one is talking in the tennis world.

I guess in light of the situation, my hope would be that all of them have access to the same training programs, doctors, procedures...to make a level playing field.

Andy Murray humbled a healthy and injury excuse-free Nadal. (Nadal's arms do appear the size of Murray's legs) but Murray was able to match him shot for shot and then out perform Nadal in the 2nd set and finish Nadal off in 3 sets. Actually Nadal appeared to give up fighting in the final set in a similar way he did versus Djokovic at US Open final. Murray didn't appear tired by the effort. Is it simply that winning is effortless? I was more impressed by how Murray defeated Nadal than how Djokovic did it. Perhaps it's merely Nadal getting old and wearing down? But Nadal was as fast as ever and bludgeoning the ball like usual. Murray had the energy to keep up and is naturally a better server and shotmaker, imo. Nothing has ever looked natural about Nadal's performances -though very effective.

It's also a lucky coincidence that Sky athletes are doing so well. just saying. As i said, if they are not going to clean up these sports for real, make it fair. I'm sick of having the same ones win all the time unbelievably. It was so great to watch Murray keep up with Nadal. Next comes Shanghai 1000 atp point tournament and a similar draw with Nadal and Murray seeded 1 and 2. We'll see if Andy can do it again.

Doping does not make a level playing field if some athletes react better to the dope than others, therefore gaining a bigger advantage.

A level playing field is competing on natural talent and strength of mind, which sometimes can compensate better for a less talented athlete than a more talented.

Youth and skill is no match for age and treachery.......:D
 
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All indications are that she never took the test.

It's pretty damned obvious why she panicked. She was going to fail the test.
 
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masking_agent said:
i assume the pro tennis federation allows "missed tests" unlike our UCI ?

You can miss up to 2 OOC tests, every 18 months (I think that is in the "WADA code", so many sports have the same allowance). Since, until recently, the players were tested only once or twice a year, you literally didn't have to take ANY OOC tests in tennis.

There is no indication that Serena will even be counted for a missed test in this case. I doubt the ITF will have the guts to penalize one of it's stars, even though she should be in this case.



Just as a note, the ITF appears to have dramatically increased it's OOC testing recently (urine only). We know this because many players have been "tweeting" their complaints about being tested at 6 am.

Unfortunately, the time of year that the players would least likely to be "cycling up" is now (mid-September to mid-November). This is the longest break between "grand slams" all year (the next "Grand slam" is the Australian Open starting in late January - So the "cycling up" would probably start in late November, early December).

So the fact that the ITF has increased their OOC testing when the players are least likely to be doping, is a tacit admission, that the ITF will do everything in their power to NOT catch the CHEATS. This is a cynical ploy to give the appearance of a tough testing regime, when it is nothing of the sort.
 
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Tennis players dont dope. As Saint Rafael of Mallorca, - the most benevolent of people, has said, only cyclists dope.

Therefore Serena is clean. duh.
 

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Was the drug tester a male or female I wonder.

I will assume female.

Hopefully the drug testers do not send solitary males to collect pee from females.

I will also assume there could be female burglars and prowlers too.
Ready to swipe you with a brick laden handbag yikes.
 
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Polish said:
Was the drug tester a male or female I wonder.

I will assume female.

Hopefully the drug testers do not send solitary males to collect pee from females.

I will also assume there could be female burglars and prowlers too.
Ready to swipe you with a brick laden handbag yikes.


I am quite certain that only female testers, test female athletes, and male testers, test male athletes.


Serena's claim that she thought the tester was a prowler is BS. The tester would have done what all testers do, go to the front door, ring the bell, then wait. She would NOT have made any attempt to enter the premises, until she was let in.
Also note that THE ATHLETE determines the time of day and place of the test (just the date is determined by the testers). She SHOULD NOT have been surprised that the tester showed up there at that time.
 
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Definitely clean.