Random Rider/Team Thread

[Netserk]

How can he be any less suspicious than Valverde?

And his improvement since he joined Katusha in his 30's....

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Lol, I'm not saying he hasn't used PED's, but he's been relatively clean in terms of BB's and EPO in my book.(Compared to Alberto, Valverde, LL Sanchez & Samu) Can't rule out other stuff, but since 2010 he's shown good consistency, unlike Gilbert for example who completely wore out his body. He doesn't use very aggresive agents. And right now he uses more or less the same as the riders he competes with.

meh, J-Rod stepped up big time in '12. Much better at TT'ing, recovery in GT's became very good. Started to outclimb other dopers from longer distance.

J-Rod is s doper. Hardcore.

 

[roundabout]

How can he be any less suspicious than Valverde?

And his improvement since he joined Katusha in his 30's....

No blood bag with his name on it

 

[Netserk]

No blood bag with his name on it

The last 5 years then.

 

[Pentacycle]

How can he be any less suspicious than Valverde?

And his improvement since he joined Katusha in his 30's....

How has Purito improved over the last years? Was he better in the '03 Vuelta, '08 Giro, '10 TdF or in the '12 Vuelta? He's shown talent from a young age, winning smaller races here and there with great panache, but never featuring as a GT contender unlike Piti. GT's required a lot more PED's than nowadays to perform in them, so that's why I think he was cleaner than the others back then.

You've got a point regarding Katusha though. But I like many other riders on that team as well.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Vini have a nice doctor, all you gotta know.

Any links to actual footage for today? Much obliged.

 

[Netserk]

Are you seriously saying he didn't improve the last couple of years?

 

[Pentacycle]

meh, J-Rod stepped up big time in '12. Much better at TT'ing, recovery in GT's became very good. Started to outclimb other dopers from longer distance.

J-Rod is s doper. Hardcore.

You're hurting me.

 

[roundabout]

Panache is the last word I would associate with Murito. Much less "great panache".

Although it's quite funny that the only stage race that he had won as a pro was a result of him attacking with 65km to go.

 

[Miburo]

How can he be any less suspicious than Valverde?

And his improvement since he joined Katusha in his 30's....

Does purito already have a thread here?

He definitely needs one after last year's improvement in Gt's.

 

[roundabout]

You're hurting me.

Sorry that it upsets you so much.

 

[Pentacycle]

Are you seriously saying he didn't improve the last couple of years?

That's what I'm asking you. How have his performances(not his results) over the years developed? In the '08 Giro he was very strong in some stages, but Ricco and Killer(+others) totally destroyed him almost every occasion.

 

[The Hitch]

Penta, i dont know if you understand doping if you can write a statement like

"Purito is one of the cleanest Spanish stars"

What does that mean. What makes 1 doper cleaner than another and how can anyone work it out?

He chooses to dope but he prefers to dope less so he can sleep better at night? If he dopes why would he limit it more than others?

How could you possibly make assumptions on what quantities people dope in?

 

[Netserk]

It's quite clear that not everyone dopes the same.

 

[Miburo]

It's quite clear that not everyone dopes the same.

What are you talking about, fool?

 

[the asian]

Purito has less baggage than Valverde and Contador, and Lulu becuase he's not been directly implicated in doping yet, but one cannot say he;s the cleanest.

As for Santa's performances this year, it does raise the question whether BMC have toned down their doping drastically. (Could explain Gilbert, Thor and Cadel's poor season last year)

 

[Dazed and Confused]

You're hurting me.

well, its just reality in our sport.

It might be better than some years ago, but guys still can't get close to winner big races clean at this time.

 

[roundabout]

That's what I'm asking you. How have his performances(not his results) over the years developed? In the '08 Giro he was very strong in some stages, but Ricco and Killer(+others) totally destroyed him almost every occasion.

I am pretty sure his TT performances have developed.

What was that, 40 watts allegedly.

All because he finally had his TT looked into. Funnily at the same time he became more consistent and better on longer climbs.

Your idea that Murito was a yardstick for cleanliness is ridiculous and frankly not worth discussing as it's based on absolutely nothing.

 

[Miburo]

Purito has less baggage than Valverde and Contador, and Lulu becuase he's not been directly implicated in doping yet, but one cannot say he;s the cleanest.

As for Santa's performances this year, it does raise the question whether BMC have toned down their doping drastically. (Could explain Gilbert, Thor and Cadel's poor season last year)

What about TJ though?

 

[The Hitch]

It's quite clear that not everyone dopes the same.

I think you are going to have to expand on this.

And in particular address my question of how you can know which riders dope more and less.

 

[The Hitch]

What are you talking about, fool?

Rank in order of doped most to doped least. Ullrich, Vino, Mayo, Beloki, Heras, Zulle?

 

[Netserk]

I think you are going to have to expand on this.

And in particular address my question of how you can know which riders dope more and less.

Are you serious?

I doubt everyone used five bags in the '07 Tour....

 

[the asian]

What about TJ though?

Other than last years 6th? Place in the Tour, did he do anything meaningful?

He is part of the younger generation. Could well be riding clean though.

 

[the asian]

Rank in order of doped most to doped least. Ullrich, Vino, Mayo, Beloki, Heras, Zulle?

Probably Heras at 3rd and Vino over Ulle.

 

[Pentacycle]

Penta, i dont know if you understand doping if you can write a statement like

"Purito is one of the cleanest Spanish stars"

What does that mean. What makes 1 doper cleaner than another and how can anyone work it out?

He chooses to dope but he prefers to dope less so he can sleep better at night? If he dopes why would he limit it more than others?

How could you possibly make assumptions on what quantities people dope in?

There are many assumptions(and guesses) in my posts here, you're right that I'm unclear in my reasoning.

What I'd like to know is whether he was on the same program as his leaders at the time, 'cause his GT pedigree wasn't great until the blood passport was introduced. Perhaps he wasn't a good enough 'responder' to compete in GT's?

For now he's also one of the only Spaniards who's expressed his disapproval of Lance.