Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

[AnatoleNovak]

1. Bernard Hinault
2. Jacques Anquetil
3. Laurent Jalabert
4. Louison Bobet
5. Raymond Poulidor

 

[Red Rick]

I'm really too uneducated about the Dutch glory years of cycling....

Rough guess

1. Zoetemelk
2. Jansen
3. Raas
4. Dumoulin
5. Knetemann

Dumoulin will probably end up on top here, would guess Terpstra is bottom end of top 10?

I have no freaking clue. Paging Dutch Maffia to please educate me.

 

[spalco]

Austria:

Totschnig
Luttenberger
...ehm?
Eisel, Brändle?
Max Bulla?

Pretty sparse. Maybe Pöstlberger already belongs on the list for wearing the pink jersey for a day.

 

[SafeBet]

1)Bartali/Coppi
2)Coppi/Bartali
3)Gimondi

4) and 5) it gets complicated between Nibali,Moser,Saronni,Girardengo,Binda. I can see Nibali passing Gimondi if he wins Tour and World

Coppi and Bartali are in their own tier, with the third rider not even coming close in my book.
Both careers look amazing, but you have to wonder what would have happened with no war putting the 2 ridrs on hold for 5+ plus years during their peaks. Coppi had a chance to have the best palmares ever, I believe, and gets the nod over Bartali for winning Paris-Roubaix and WC.

1) Fausto Coppi
2) Gino Bartali

3) Felice Gimondi
4) Alfredo Binda
5) Francesco Moser

Nibali is knocking on the door. He would pass both Moser and Binda with a big win and probably even Gimondi with a WC+GT before calling it a career.

 

[DNP-Old]

Such luxury when you can just casually leave off Pantani, Nibali, Cipollini, Bettini, Bartoli and what not off these type of lists.

 

[loge1884]

Switzerland:

1. Fabian Cancellara
2. Ferdi Kübler
3. Hugo Koblet
4. Tony Rominger *
5. Alex Zülle *

1 - 3 the order might be up to discussion
* with some severe clinical issues though (as was the habit in those days ....)

 

[memyselfandI]

Re:

1. Kari Myyryläinen
2. Jussi Veikkanen
3. Joona Laukka
4. Harry Hannus
5. Kjell Carlström

Really can't be like this as Myyrylainen doesn't have palmares like Veikanen from many highly ranked french amateur races, never mind protour world tour racing. Prbably Laukka holds higher palmares too.

 

[46&twoWheels]

Re:

Such luxury when you can just casually leave off Pantani, Nibali, Cipollini, Bettini, Bartoli and what not off these type of lists.

yeah we're very spoiled . Pantani,Cipo,Bettini are not even top 10 considering there's also Bugno, MAgni, Argentin, Bartoli.
After all,90 years of competitiveness in both GTs and one-day races is a lot of history

 

[46&twoWheels]

1)Bartali/Coppi
2)Coppi/Bartali
3)Gimondi

4) and 5) it gets complicated between Nibali,Moser,Saronni,Girardengo,Binda. I can see Nibali passing Gimondi if he wins Tour and World

Coppi and Bartali are in their own tier, with the third rider not even coming close in my book.
Both careers look amazing, but you have to wonder what would have happened with no war putting the 2 ridrs on hold for 5+ plus years during their peaks. Coppi had a chance to have the best palmares ever, I believe, and gets the nod over Bartali for winning Paris-Roubaix and WC.

1) Fausto Coppi
2) Gino Bartali

3) Felice Gimondi
4) Alfredo Binda
5) Francesco Moser

Nibali is knocking on the door. He would pass both Moser and Binda with a big win and probably even Gimondi with a WC+GT before calling it a career.

Such a pity. Those WW years were certainly more painful for Coppi than they were for Bartali given the age difference. We were deprived of something even greater.

 

[LosBrolin]

Re: Re:

1. Kari Myyryläinen
2. Jussi Veikkanen
3. Joona Laukka
4. Harry Hannus
5. Kjell Carlström

Really can't be like this as Myyrylainen doesn't have palmares like Veikanen from many highly ranked french amateur races, never mind protour world tour racing. Prbably Laukka holds higher palmares too.

Well, Myyryläinen is 21x nation champ who has been riding at Olympics two times + top 10 at Worlds. So imo it's not that far fetched. But yeah, having it other way around wouldn't probably be a mistake either. After all Veikkanen is the only Finn to wear any jersey at Grand Tours.

Edit. As a bonus I must mention that Myyryläinen finished 14th at Nationals RR few weeks ago. At the healthy age of 54.

 

[FjPavels]

am just waiting for a couple of people from my country to start argueing about wether Hushovd or Kristoff is number one.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

1/ Merckx
2/ Van Looy
3/ De Vlaeminck
4/ Van Steenbergen
5/ Boonen

I guess something like that.

EDIT: Philippe Thys was the only cyclist to win the TDF before (x2) and after (x1) WWI, if it weren't for the war, he would probably hold the record (same could be said for Bartali and WWII). But on the other hand, cycling prior to the 60-70s was a different animal. There are plenty of names that could be added to the list, and when i see other lists include obvious clinic cases, then some could argue Museeuw should be added to the Belgian list. But i refuse, lol.

 

[The Hegelian]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

He's got a sweet Irish accent though. In my book, if you've got one of those + you officially claim to be Irish then walks like a duck/quacks like a duck argument holds.

He's got a Staffordshire accent. No hint of Irish.

Have a listen:

https://youtu.be/sgYbEkRgSSA

and compare

https://youtu.be/jsUvcjk8J5c

Plus if you want ultimate proof that he's British, check out his teeth

You're dead right on both fronts. One last thing: doesn't he have a family connection with S.Roche?

 

[ice&fire]

Re: Re:

Spain (no doubt this will be controversial):

1. Valverde
2. Indurain
3. Contador
4. Purito
5. Freire (though this one could easily be Heras/Bahamontes/Ocaña/Delgado)

It is. Valverde above Indurain? Really?

Well, the top three are obviously the top three in some order. And Indurain has to come above Contador. Where Valverde comes in that list I guess depends how highly you rate one day wins vs stage races and total volume of wins/podium finishes.

For me versatility and range of wins gives a more impressive palmares than just winning one kind of race. Otherwise Purito shouldn't really be in the top 5 either.

Purito definitely wins in its range of runner-ups.

 

[The Hegelian]

Re: Re:

Australia, from memory so probably gonna make some heinous errors.......

1. Cadel Evans
2. Phil Anderson
3. Robbie McEwan
4. Simon Gerrans
5. Richie Porte
6. Stuart O'Grady
7. Michael Matthews
8. Matt Goss (one monument gets you a long way....)
9. Matt Haymen (ditto)
10. Baden Cooke
11. Caleb Ewan
12. Rohan Dennis
13. Brad McGee

You’ve got most of the right names there but the order is a little out of whack. Most obvious is Gerrans should be higher than McEwen and Ewan below Dennis and McGee. Goss is above Matthews too, for now IMO. Then there’s Michael Rogers.

Disagree that it's obvious Gerrans should be above McEwan - there's definitely a case for it, but the latter has 24 GT stage wins (including 12 tdf) + 3 green jerseys + some semi classics.......vs two monuments and a nice spread of GT stages, big one day races and some GC wins.

You're right about Ewan for sure.

Don't think Goss out-palmares Matthews. He's already on 8 GT stage wins + green jersey.

As for Rogers - yeah, that was a big name to forget. Probs top 5?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

I’m not getting involved in an argument about this kind of petty nonsense. If someone with Irish parentage decides they want to compete for Ireland in a sport, you will have a hard time finding Irish people who don’t regard them as Irish. That’s hardly surprising given that people were one of Ireland’s main exports for centuries and there are many times more people of Irish descent abroad than there are in Ireland. If Brits want to get snooty about Chris Froome, that’s up to them.

 

[Pennino]

Re:

I'm really too uneducated about the Dutch glory years of cycling....

Rough guess

1. Zoetemelk
2. Jansen
3. Raas
4. Dumoulin
5. Knetemann

Dumoulin will probably end up on top here, would guess Terpstra is bottom end of top 10?

I have no freaking clue. Paging Dutch Maffia to please educate me.

Allthough first and second in the Giro and a World Title ITT (which only exist since the nineties), I think Hennie Kuiper is still way above Dumoulin. He won four different monuments and got 2nd in the other... :sad:

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re:

1. Bernard Hinault
2. Jacques Anquetil
3. Laurent Jalabert
4. Louison Bobet
5. Raymond Poulidor

Laurent Fignon over Raymond Poulidor.

 

[macbindle]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

I’m not getting involved in an argument about this kind of petty nonsense. If someone with Irish parentage decides they want to compete for Ireland in a sport, you will have a hard time finding Irish people who don’t regard them as Irish. That’s hardly surprising given that people were one of Ireland’s main exports for centuries and there are many times more people of Irish descent abroad than there are in Ireland. If Brits want to get snooty about Chris Froome, that’s up to them.

To bolded: If this was true you post would have ended there.

Perhaps you should change the thread title then, because Dan Martin most certainly isn't "from" Ireland.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

I’m not getting involved in an argument about this kind of petty nonsense. If someone with Irish parentage decides they want to compete for Ireland in a sport, you will have a hard time finding Irish people who don’t regard them as Irish. That’s hardly surprising given that people were one of Ireland’s main exports for centuries and there are many times more people of Irish descent abroad than there are in Ireland. If Brits want to get snooty about Chris Froome, that’s up to them.

To bolded: If this was true you post would have ended there.

Perhaps you should change the thread title then, because Dan Martin most certainly isn't "from" Ireland.

Explaining briefly to someone that their post is tedious, petty, unwelcome, historically ignorant and wrong is not engaging in an argument. The latter involves both a back and forth and at least the pretence of interest in the other persons point of view. I have no interest in yours and am not going to bother to pretend otherwise.

 

[DFA123]

Re:

I'm really too uneducated about the Dutch glory years of cycling....

Rough guess

1. Zoetemelk
2. Jansen
3. Raas
4. Dumoulin
5. Knetemann

Dumoulin will probably end up on top here, would guess Terpstra is bottom end of top 10?

I have no freaking clue. Paging Dutch Maffia to please educate me.

I have to say, for one of the 'big' cycling countries, that's a pretty meh list. At least compared with the superstars that make up the discussion for France, Italy, Belgium, Spain etc...

Even a Luxembourg top 5 might be stronger.

 

[Liiio]

Re:

1. R. Szurkowski
2. S. Szozda
3. M. Kwiatkowski
4. R. Majka
5. Z. Jaskuła

1. Kwiatkowski
2. Jaskuła
3. Majka
4. Spruch
5. Piasecki

Results of Szurkowski and Szozda are incomparable

 

[Broccolidwarf]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

For the traditionally big cycling countries, like Belgium, Holland, France, Spain and Italy, this is an impossible task dude

For them, you'd need a sprinters category, a GC category and a classics category

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Re: Re:

I'm really too uneducated about the Dutch glory years of cycling....

Rough guess

1. Zoetemelk
2. Jansen
3. Raas
4. Dumoulin
5. Knetemann

Dumoulin will probably end up on top here, would guess Terpstra is bottom end of top 10?

I have no freaking clue. Paging Dutch Maffia to please educate me.

I have to say, for one of the 'big' cycling countries, that's a pretty meh list. At least compared with the superstars that make up the discussion for France, Italy, Belgium, Spain etc...

Even a Luxembourg top 5 might be stronger.

The Netherlands really aren't in the same league as Italy, Belgium, France and Spain though. Never were. I think currently they are having one of their best ever generations (Dumoulin, van der Poel, Terpstra...). If you compare classics wins and GT wins to that of those countries, there is a pretty big gap. Only 5 GT wins combined (2x Vuelta, 2x Tour, 1x Giro), but a slightly better classics run (10x RVV, 6x PR...)

 

[macbindle]

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.

I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.

I’m not getting involved in an argument about this kind of petty nonsense. If someone with Irish parentage decides they want to compete for Ireland in a sport, you will have a hard time finding Irish people who don’t regard them as Irish. That’s hardly surprising given that people were one of Ireland’s main exports for centuries and there are many times more people of Irish descent abroad than there are in Ireland. If Brits want to get snooty about Chris Froome, that’s up to them.

To bolded: If this was true you post would have ended there.

Perhaps you should change the thread title then, because Dan Martin most certainly isn't "from" Ireland.

Explaining briefly to someone that their post is tedious, petty, unwelcome, historically ignorant and wrong is not engaging in an argument. The latter involves both a back and forth and at least the pretence of interest in the other persons point of view. I have no interest in yours and am not going to bother to pretend otherwise.

But enough to make two aggressive and insulting posts...

and Dan Martin still isn't "from" Ireland, so still not "wrong". Sorry.