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Eshnar said:
Gave it a 6.

The first week is the usual Unipublic crap. Not much to say there. Then the we have the stage in Andorra that is ofc good and the penultimate weekend which doesn't make much sense to me, granted that the last stage is nice. Then we have an odd third week with an almost-40 kms ITT (which is short by any standard, and more by considering we have 9 MTFs), two lame "descent finishes" (the first one is not more than the standard Gap stage, while the second one is plain stupid, and I'm actually surprised Descender is happy about that) and finally a stage 20 which to me is the only thing that saves the route besides stage 10. A Vuelta stage where you can actually attack from far :eek: and where you cannot wait for the last 3 kms :eek::eek:

A big leap forward with respect to the last Vueltas, but still far from being good.

the Giro route is a level or two above this. The Tour is a level or two below.

I like the Avila stage. While it is not a true descent finish (the descent is easy, and the stage finishes uphill next to the Avila walls), it is a difficult stage where the favourites can try something.

I disagree with you about stage 20. The climbs are easy, too easy, and the descent to Cercedilla is also not hard, using a good, wide road. I doubt anything will happen in this stage, which is a shame, since it is the one stage where riders will not ride conservatively.

My being happy with the last three stages is more a matter of principle.
 
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Two stages with more than 5000 metres and another two with more than 3500 metres, it's no bad.

By the way, part of the first stage is over the sand of the beach. Yes, it's true. It's Vuelta, you know.
 
Descender said:
I disagree with you about stage 20. The climbs are easy, too easy, and the descent to Cercedilla is also not hard, using a good, wide road. I doubt anything will happen in this stage, which is a shame, since it is the one stage where riders will not ride conservatively.

I don't see how anything can happen in any other stage besides that. Even the stage to Andorra will most likely be a borefest before the last climb, because is too hard (the last climb, I mean).
 
Asturiano said:
Two stages with more than 5000 metres and another one with more than 3500 metres, it's no bad.

By the way, part of the first stage is over the sand of the beach. Yes, it's true. It's Vuelta, you know.
Unipublic always exaggerates the vertical gain of stages. What is the second stage of more than 5.000 vertical meters?
 
Sep 21, 2009
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I'll comment on the individual stages
Stage 1: Puerto Banús - Marbella TTT 7.5km. This is as silly as it gets. If they want to do the TT along the Paseo Maritimo and 7kms is all they have, go somewhere else before as in Benidorm 2011 or make it an ITT. I guess that the point of a TTT must be connected to some gimmick like using a boat as in 2012. Unipublic is getting closer and closer to this.

Stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre - Caminito del Rey, 165km. Typical murito finish to ensure that GT contenders show up at the end of the stage. They could have made it harder (Torcal de Antequera is just 35kms away) or more scenic. They've done neither and the race will go next to the actual Caminito del Rey 90 and 50kms before the finish. I guess they've chosen to get some bumps (Álora and Carratraca) as close as possible to the finish.

Stage 3: Mijas - Málaga, 165km. One for the sprinters with a small bump 7kms from the finish. I wonder what that might be.

Stage 4: Estepona - Vejer de la Frontera, 203km. Another HTF preceded by a small bump, probably something like the stage Mathews won last year. Last 50kms along the coast, so we might get some wind.

Stage 5: Rota - Alcalá de Guadaira, 182km. Another one for the sprinters. At least with Guillén we know we don't get two like this in a row.

Stage 6: Córdoba - Cazorla, 204km. Wow, second stage longer than 200km. Unfortunately the choice of departure and finish has forced them to take the shorthest route, avoiding any difficulty. This could have been a great hilly stage. As it is, it's just all together till the final murito.

Stage 7: Jódar - Capileira, 188km. Again, departure and finish forces taking the shortest path. Anyway, not bad for the first long climb in the race.

Stage 8: Puebla de Don Fadrique - Murcia, 186km. Twice Cresta del Gallo: good. Cresta del Gallo further from the finish than actual distance suggests: bad, and I guess on purpose.

Stage 9: Torrevieja - Cumbre del Sol, 168km. Another murito finish, 3.5km @ 10%, the first 3km done twice. The loop could been much shorther than the 40km proposed. Unipublic again spoiling the stage design on purpose.

Stage 10: Valencia - Castellón, 152km. Downhill finish after Desierto de las Palmas further from the finish than the map suggests. For the third day in a row, Unipublic being Unipublic.

Stage 11: Andorra la Vella - Cortals d'Encamp, 138km. Best Vuelta mountain stage design ever. Worthy of the Giro.

Stage 12: Andorra - Lleida, 172km. Another one for the sprinters after 6 days.

Stage 13: Calatayud - Tarazona, 168km. Hilly terrain. Climbs are not very difficult but roads are narrow and twisty. Not an easy stage for the sprinters but the approach from the final climb to the finish could have been more direct.

Stage 14: Vitoria - Fuente del Chivo, 213km. First of the silly MTFs that are trademark of the Vuelta at the end of the second week. Gladly surprised to see el Escudo. Even if it is far from the finish the climb is hard and the stage is unusually long for Vuelta standards.

Stage 15: Comillas - Sotres (Jitu de Escarandi), 175km. An alternative to the overused Lagos de Covadonga and as poorly connected to other climbs as that classic climb. The hardest kms are the last three ones.

Stage 16: Luarca - Quirós (Ermita del Alba), 184km. Good muntain stage with a difficult start to ensure a quality break, good finish with a perfect connection of the last three climbs, but poor middle section.

Stage 17: Burgos - Burgos, ITT 39km. Flat but short. Too short to be the only ITT. And probably too late. I'm not sure the climbers will be aggressive enough in their terrain to get a good buffer. On top of this gaps between specialists and non-specialists tend to be smaller at the end of a 3 week race unless someone is really at the limit of his strengths or is cr6p at ITT.

Stage 18: Roa de Duero - Riaza, 204km. Long and difficult. Not a single flat in the last 100kms. Always up and down on very narrow and twisty roads with a few sections paved with rough concrete (read: to improve traction in high gradients). The final climb is not very hard but the descent is on a rough, cracked and narrow road with many curves blinded by the mountain or the trees. This can be a good stage if riders want to race.

Stage 19: Medina del Campo - Ávila, 185km. Fake descent finish where Unipublic has taken the easiest possible route avoiding el Mediano and climbing the easy Paramera instead of the classic Navalmoral. This is for a break or big bunch at the feet of the medieval walls before the final bump.

Stage 20: San Lorenzo del Escorial - Cercedilla, 181km. The good: it doesn't finish in a ridiculous MTF and they're doing the climb to Morcuera from Guadalix, 1km shorter and 100m more climbing than the usual start from Soto del Real. The bad: the classic climbs in Madrid are no longer hard enough for the pro peloton (Cotos in particular), the stage is short, the descent of Navacerrada is almost a motorway and the loop between the two ascensions to Morcuera is longer and easier than it could have been. Only someone going nuts in the second ascension to Morcuera can save the stage. Most probably a descent finish where nothing will happen to reinforce Unipublic stance on the matter.

Stage 21: Alcalá de Henares - Madrid, 93 km. Usual parade for the sprinters.

As an overall conclusion, we've got incremental improvements from provious editions, together with a set of new hills and mountains to keep doing the same thing in different places. The only ITT is mostly flat but too short and too late. Medium mountain stages are mostly limited to murito finishes with uninteresting run-ins. The 'easier' last week is officially a consequence of finishing in Madrid, having all new MTFs and complains from riders in 2013 about the transfer from Angliru; it is also rumoured to be a candy to entice the Tour winner. But what most bothers me is the evidence of Unipublic spoling some stage designs adding unnecesary flat between climbs of between the last climb and the finish.

Barely a 6.
 
What I liked is that they asked a pro rider to design a stage.

If they take this a couple of steps further and they'll let some keyboard warriors on here design a stage and we get to se some LS awesomeness in the Vuelta
 
Sep 21, 2009
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jens_attacks said:
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It lacks a 50 kms itt at the end of the first week
There won't be no long range attacks me thinks...

There will be long range bonks in the mountain stage after the first rest day :p
 
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I give it a 6.

General standards for a GT: 5/6
Vuelta standards: 7

We have stage 11 - great.
Then we have the penultimate stage where we will see attacks if the first 3 places are not set in stone. It's a good last mountain stage. Morcuera is hard enough (especially the 2nd time when they do the climb from the bottom) , Navacerrada as first climb also good. We will see action I'm almost sure.

The stage to Ermita de Alba with the Cobertoria and Ermita Alba is a similar combination to Pailherés - Ax3 Domaines. No big mountains before but a lot of 2nd and 3rd category climbs. Riders will feel them in their legs.

The stage to Riaza a descent finish, very nice. I read in spanish forums that the terrain before the last climb is up and down on small roads and that a couple of ascents could have been categorized climbs.

First week has a couple of interesting finishes.

Disappointments:

Stage to Avila. Stage to Murcia and Castellón where they do a completely pointless extra lap after Cresta del Gallo and Desierto Las Palmas respectively. Could have been nice stages.

Then the ridiculous TTT. 1 rider alone can do those 7.5 km.
A prologue would have been perfect.
And another ITT (25-40 km) before the first mountain block would make the route more balanced.

Overall the route is better than in the last few years but still not either very good or great.
 
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Netserk said:
So before the last three climbs there are ~3.000 vertical meters? Or about 1½ times the amount of climbing as the last three climbs combined?:eek:

Alba = 746 vertical meters
Cobertoria = 868 vertical meters
Cordal = 508 vertical meters

Yeah right :eek:

Well, if you only count the difference in altitude between the beginning of the climb and the summit... :eek:

A rough estimate of all ups and downs in the profile will get you more than 2600m before the beginning of Cordal. A track based on an accurate elevation map or GPS measurements will give a higher figure.
 
icefire said:
Well, if you only count the difference in altitude between the beginning of the climb and the summit... :eek:

A rough estimate of all ups and downs in the profile will get you more than 2600m before the beginning of Cordal. A track based on an accurate elevation map or GPS measurements will give a higher figure.
Dude, softwares measuring vertical gain are easily fooled whenever they hit a not-so-pan-flat terrain. If you trace the stage 4 of the next Giro you get 4000m... and that's not more than a pretty normal medium mountain stage.
 
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Eshnar said:
Dude, softwares measuring vertical gain are easily fooled whenever they hit a not-so-pan-flat terrain. If you trace the stage 4 of the next Giro you get 4000m... and that's not more than a pretty normal medium mountain stage.

I just took the profile, estimated the elevation of all the points where there is a significant change from climbing to descending or the opposite, rounding minima up and maxima down to multiples of 50m and added the figures using pencil and paper. That's more than 2600m before the beginning of Cordal. Yes, my software was fooled :rolleyes:
 
icefire said:
I just took the profile, estimated the elevation of all the points where there is a significant change from climbing to descending or the opposite, rounding minima up and maxima down to multiples of 50m and added the figures using pencil and paper. That's more than 2600m before the beginning of Cordal. Yes, my software was fooled :rolleyes:
Can you do the same to the Giro stage I pointed out? I'm curious.
 
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I gave i an 8 (which terrifies me because I have villified the Vuelta so much the past few years). Sure you have too many MTFs after a boring flat stage, but you at least have 1 and half real mountain staes, you also have a reasonable ITT, an interesting trifecta of descente finish stages at the end, a race that isn't too 3rdWeek heavy contrary to what we see too much in the GTs.. For a Vuelta, it is really well drawn I must say.

Next year's Giro and Vuelta routes are promising, not so for the tour past the first week...