Eh, Cotos seems like a sort of climb where pros can go up at 30 kmh in a big group and Morcuera is 50km from the finish.
Eshnar said:Gave it a 6.
The first week is the usual Unipublic crap. Not much to say there. Then the we have the stage in Andorra that is ofc good and the penultimate weekend which doesn't make much sense to me, granted that the last stage is nice. Then we have an odd third week with an almost-40 kms ITT (which is short by any standard, and more by considering we have 9 MTFs), two lame "descent finishes" (the first one is not more than the standard Gap stage, while the second one is plain stupid, and I'm actually surprised Descender is happy about that) and finally a stage 20 which to me is the only thing that saves the route besides stage 10. A Vuelta stage where you can actually attack from farand where you cannot wait for the last 3 kms
A big leap forward with respect to the last Vueltas, but still far from being good.
the Giro route is a level or two above this. The Tour is a level or two below.
cineteq said:8/10 but voted 10. Needed to cancel out some of Descender's copycats.![]()
Sh** how do I get my vote back?Descender said:Hey, I gave this route a 6.I don't think I've been that generous with a Vuelta route before.
Descender said:I disagree with you about stage 20. The climbs are easy, too easy, and the descent to Cercedilla is also not hard, using a good, wide road. I doubt anything will happen in this stage, which is a shame, since it is the one stage where riders will not ride conservatively.
Unipublic always exaggerates the vertical gain of stages. What is the second stage of more than 5.000 vertical meters?Asturiano said:Two stages with more than 5000 metres and another one with more than 3500 metres, it's no bad.
By the way, part of the first stage is over the sand of the beach. Yes, it's true. It's Vuelta, you know.
Netserk said:Unipublic always exaggerates the vertical gain of stages. What is the second stage of more than 5.000 vertical meters?
jens_attacks said:8
It lacks a 50 kms itt at the end of the first week
There won't be no long range attacks me thinks...
Netserk said:Unipublic always exaggerates the vertical gain of stages. What is the second stage of more than 5.000 vertical meters?
So before the last three climbs there are ~3.000 vertical meters? Or about 1½ times the amount of climbing as the last three climbs combined?Asturiano said:Luarca - Alba (5140 m).
According to that:
http://eseifrancesi.altervista.org/maps/viewtrack.php?trackid=16190
Netserk said:So before the last three climbs there are ~3.000 vertical meters? Or about 1½ times the amount of climbing as the last three climbs combined?
Alba = 746 vertical meters
Cobertoria = 868 vertical meters
Cordal = 508 vertical meters
Yeah right![]()
Dude, softwares measuring vertical gain are easily fooled whenever they hit a not-so-pan-flat terrain. If you trace the stage 4 of the next Giro you get 4000m... and that's not more than a pretty normal medium mountain stage.icefire said:Well, if you only count the difference in altitude between the beginning of the climb and the summit...
A rough estimate of all ups and downs in the profile will get you more than 2600m before the beginning of Cordal. A track based on an accurate elevation map or GPS measurements will give a higher figure.
Eshnar said:Dude, softwares measuring vertical gain are easily fooled whenever they hit a not-so-pan-flat terrain. If you trace the stage 4 of the next Giro you get 4000m... and that's not more than a pretty normal medium mountain stage.
Can you do the same to the Giro stage I pointed out? I'm curious.icefire said:I just took the profile, estimated the elevation of all the points where there is a significant change from climbing to descending or the opposite, rounding minima up and maxima down to multiples of 50m and added the figures using pencil and paper. That's more than 2600m before the beginning of Cordal. Yes, my software was fooled![]()