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And we've now got to the point where people competing under the rules are being compared to cheats.
Sorry, but you keep bringing up biological advantage with no evidence. Here are the guidelines, including the people who developed them (full disclosure, I know at least one of the people on that list):
https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf
Feel free to go find the research and pull out the specific parts you have an issue with. Retired runners and swimmers complaining isn't enough.
macbindle said:King Boonen said:macbindle said:Some of Rachel (forgotten her surname)'s competitors objected to her presence. I'm not sure why you fixate on the Olympics.
Two objected when she won, they were fine with her competing when they beat her. For me, that pretty much invalidates any argument they might make.
For me it doesn't. The question of biological advantage remains win or lose. If you argument holds water then there would be a case for only banning dopers who win
The Olympics is a epitome of competition so it gives us the best marker of transgender impact. It also has the most easily accessible data. As I’ve said, if you want to pick a different area of competition we can discuss how trans women aren’t dominating that either.
The Olympics is a rarified world and is hardly representative of sport such as the vast majority of people experience it. Again, go back to my previous point about doping. It matters not a jot that trans women aren't dominating.
And we've now got to the point where people competing under the rules are being compared to cheats.
Sorry, but you keep bringing up biological advantage with no evidence. Here are the guidelines, including the people who developed them (full disclosure, I know at least one of the people on that list):
https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf
Feel free to go find the research and pull out the specific parts you have an issue with. Retired runners and swimmers complaining isn't enough.