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Iflanceisbannedbanthemall said:
You have a point. But it is the attitude of Lance that disgusted a lot of people. The arrogance, the bullying, the open trashing of others, sueing/threatening innocent housewives, beating up motorists, sueing newspapers, journalists, fellow bikers etc. An implosion was eminent, so lay the blame firmly at LA's door. We all know the true greats were juiced whether in cycling or in other sports like Athletics etc. But none that I can remember had this kind of DON-like attitude.
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Yes and No and who's in charge of the revolution?
You re correct in some ways. How many years did it take for East Germans to become "revolutionary"? They did not fo frrom being a herd of passive State Run sheep to revolutionary freedom fighters overnight.
Likewise in cycling, there have been cyclists and journalists trying to reform the UCI / cycling for some time. it takes a lot to go from reform to revolution.
Most "riders in the peloton" seem to fall into two groups.
1. "The Long Ago and Far Away", like Gesink and Schleck. Gesink actually said, or implied, that the whole LA thing was a one team phenomenon, that happened in America, in a previous generation, forgetting that his own team mate Baredo, in Europe, is just now on his way to being busted.
2. The likes of Sanchez. Is that 1000 page report even available in Spanish, French, German and Italian? And how literate are these guys? I doubt many have even turned a page, much less read, analyzed and thought about it. They just cough up the same old: trying to hurt the sport: they can't prove anything: he's just trying to make money on his book: , etc etc crapola
Problem with this revolution is that there does not seem to be anyone to lead it.
Lukenwolf said:
You re correct in some ways. How many years did it take for East Germans to become "revolutionary"? They did not fo frrom being a herd of passive State Run sheep to revolutionary freedom fighters overnight.
Likewise in cycling, there have been cyclists and journalists trying to reform the UCI / cycling for some time. it takes a lot to go from reform to revolution.
Most "riders in the peloton" seem to fall into two groups.
1. "The Long Ago and Far Away", like Gesink and Schleck. Gesink actually said, or implied, that the whole LA thing was a one team phenomenon, that happened in America, in a previous generation, forgetting that his own team mate Baredo, in Europe, is just now on his way to being busted.
2. The likes of Sanchez. Is that 1000 page report even available in Spanish, French, German and Italian? And how literate are these guys? I doubt many have even turned a page, much less read, analyzed and thought about it. They just cough up the same old: trying to hurt the sport: they can't prove anything: he's just trying to make money on his book: , etc etc crapola
Problem with this revolution is that there does not seem to be anyone to lead it.
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manafana said:
Of course he has. GC and hilly classics riders from other countries are just as suspicious, though. I mean, they have to play the media a certain way and are familiar with that. Spanish riders... not so much.
rickshaw said:
It was actually a pretty quick thing. It went from sheep to raging bulls in a matter of 4 to 5 months. In May 1989 the elections were rigged, like they were every four years (cycling: Phat McQuaids MO). But unlike all the 40 years before, people were sick of continuing like that first critical things were published. We started the monday protests and in November the Berlin wall was history. Once the mob reaches critical mass, it all goes south in a damn hurry. Which is why we mustn't allow streamlined media to be silent yet again. This is cyclings tjienanmen moment, it's up to us starting the monday protests...
BTW: the '89 revolution didn't have a leader. The chant "WE are the people" wasn't the main motto without reason. No leader, just most of the people sick of going on with the status quo.
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I guess he is worried they are coming after him next. So has to say it is unfair otherwise will look like a hypocrit if other team mates start talking about him.
Everyone knows he most probably doped too though. Greg Lemond says as much. So I believe it. Just wish he wouldn't keep defending Armstrong. Perhaps Come clean himself. We can forgive that era. REgardless he is no Armstrong. He had class and didn't bully the clean riders, etc. Didn't try and win everything.
Everyone knows he most probably doped too though. Greg Lemond says as much. So I believe it. Just wish he wouldn't keep defending Armstrong. Perhaps Come clean himself. We can forgive that era. REgardless he is no Armstrong. He had class and didn't bully the clean riders, etc. Didn't try and win everything.
metaCYCLE said:what a huge let down... First Sammy and now Mig??? Wow!
Spanish desease. They all know that the spanish authorities are even more sympathetic with dopists than the UCI. What do they have to fear? I dodn't think they even belive that doping is wrong in any way.
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The worst part is that the likes of Samu and Indurain are common in the Spanish peloton. It's really horrible. Most riders and journos are only slightly better: they acknowledge Armstrong is a fraud, but they seem to be more concerned with the witnesses being traitors and snitches. The split among the fans is somewhat less embarrassing, and most hardcore cycling fans are truly appalled by all of this. But casual fans tend to agree with Indurain.
Bruyneel must have mixed up the blood bags.That guy is such an utter fool. I really hope the Belgians pound the raw stuffing out of him in a trial.
- May 3, 2010
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Evidence that stupidity is not limited to cyclists.
http://www.tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/what-can-you-say.html
http://www.tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/what-can-you-say.html
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Samu and Indurain are disgraces to cycling. From Armstrong's recent behaviour, even he's accepted he's been caught and deserved to be stripped of the results. So what are these two guys doing?
No wonder cycling has a problem.
No wonder cycling has a problem.
Lukenwolf said:
Why don't you take your ethnic prejudice and racism to a neonazi forum, and shove it up Jan Ullrich, Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, and Team Telekom's ***es.
- Jun 19, 2009
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Maybe Sanchez is too old to trot out the "we are paying the price for the previous generation and cycling is clean now" BS - at least he's being honest which is more than you can say for those that are staying "on-message" (even if it leaves little doubt as to how he's gained the results that he has)
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