I'm Spanish and I agree with Lukenwolf.Love the Scenery said:Why don't you take your ethnic prejudice and racism to a neonazi forum, and shove it up Jan Ullrich, Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, and Team Telekom's ***es.
I'm Spanish and I agree with Lukenwolf.Love the Scenery said:Why don't you take your ethnic prejudice and racism to a neonazi forum, and shove it up Jan Ullrich, Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, and Team Telekom's ***es.
Love the Scenery said:Why don't you take your ethnic prejudice and racism to a neonazi forum, and shove it up Jan Ullrich, Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, and Team Telekom's ***es.
Lukenwolf said:Spanish authorities
It's pretty obvious he was referring to the Spanish cycling world, mostly to the riders and governing bodies. As for the bit about Contador: no, the vast majority of Spaniards are disgusted with the politicians, but they support the likes of Contador and Valverde. They're completely separate matters.Love the Scenery said:Leave ethnic prejudice and nationalist hatred at home. The vast majority of Spaniards are disgusted with the system, including the politicians who want to use sport for political purposes and advocate doped heroes like Contador.
Lukenwolf said:I have spoken of the authorites, not of the spanish public. Go re-read my post and there are other ways to express disagreement than the n-word.
Love the Scenery said:You want to criticize the authorities, criticize them. You want to criticize nations and ethnic groups, I'll call it what it is. The Spanish are not responsible for Miguel Indurain's stupidity, any more than you or other Germans are personally responsible for Team Telekom.
Lukenwolf said:This notoriously lax attitude towards the fight against doping IS a spanish specialty. So I'm not exactly wrong.
Love the Scenery said:That's funny, I thought Pat McQuaid was Irish, and Hein Verbruggen Dutch. Let's start talking about the Irish and Dutch then, because obviously if one member of a nation is an idiot, the fault must be the entire nation's![]()
Lukenwolf said:This notoriously lax attitude towards the fight against doping IS a spanish specialty. So I'm not exactly wrong.
Love the Scenery said:That's funny, I thought Pat McQuaid was Irish, and Hein Verbruggen Dutch. Let's start talking about the Irish and Dutch then, because obviously if one member of a nation is an idiot, the fault must be the entire nation's![]()
Love the Scenery said:Criticizing the Spanish authorities is one thing. Criticizing the Spanish is another. Learn the difference and stop insulting ethnic groups and nations.
Lukenwolf said:Other nations had the same problem
This isn't about Indurains brain fart. It's about the lax attitude of the cycling union and their anti-doping people that creates fertile ground for such a mindset.
Love the Scenery said:To put it a different way, this is an equivalent false logic:
Pat McQuaid is corrupt
Pat McQuaid is Irish
Corruption is an Irish disease
This is the false logic that is being used. It is nothing but a vehicle for fomenting ethnic and national prejudice, has no logic or validity.
hrotha said:It's pretty obvious he was referring to the Spanish cycling world, mostly to the riders and governing bodies. As for the bit about Contador: no, the vast majority of Spaniards are disgusted with the politicians, but they support the likes of Contador and Valverde. They're completely separate matters.
TheEnoculator said:I have not heard one Spanish rider being as outspoken as JV and Millar in the subject of doping.
TheEnoculator said:Though it's never good to generalize, you have to admit, it's hard not to do that against the Spanish peloton.
Contador, being one of the best riders in the world, was never outspoken against doping, and he was named in several drug scandals.
And then he got caught. Valverde, even to this day, still refuses to admit he did anything wrong.
Love the Scenery said:So you think 40 million Spaniards support doping ... the parents on the street protesting against cuts in school budgets ... the home owners resisting foreclosure on their houses ... the protesters criticizing the entire political system ... if anyone is in favor of doping for nationalist purposes, it's a few government officials, sports federations, and athletes, not "the Spanish." Similar ridiculous comments could be made about just about any country, including Germany.
Leave ethnic prejudice and nationalist hatred at home. The vast majority of Spaniards are disgusted with the system, including the politicians who want to use sport for political purposes and advocate doped heroes like Contador. If there is one country in Europe where the people are showing that they reject the politicians, it's Spain. Politicians are the disease, not Spanish citizens.
Nobody of any country should have resist ethnic prejudice on a cycling forum. It's stupid, it's ignorant, it's hurtful, it's flat out wrong. You want to criticize the politicians, criticize them. You want to criticize 40 million people because a few politicians suck? Really?
Descender said:Spain has a doping problem, one that is much bigger than in most other nations.
Descender said:And yes, the Spanish population in general and the cycling fans in particular show much more understanding for doping and are show less of a will to fight it than in most other countries.