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Alpe d'Huez said:Great win for the Royals. After last year's loss to the Giants and their Cinderella season done, plus losing key pitchers, they knew how to win, and did it.
This also has to be extra gratifying for some old time Royals fans. For many years rival Cardinal fans have quipped that the Royals got lucky in 1985 when a horrible call went against St. Louis at the most crucial time of Game 6. Though Brett Saberhagen and the Royals did cement things in game 7, it still left this little bit of doubt in some minds. This win gave absolutely no doubt. A great championship for a great team and organization
Yay, Cubs, yay!GeorgeCurios said:Which team are you guys rooting for this year?
Agree.Alpe d'Huez said:I've been watching baseball for fifty years. I don't think I've ever seen such a dominant big game or post season pitcher as Madison Bumgarner.
Better than Tom Sever, Steve Carlton, Jim Palmer, Nolar Ryan, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson. None threw as well in big games as he has.
Alpe d'Huez said:I've been watching baseball for fifty years. I don't think I've ever seen such a dominant big game or post season pitcher as Madison Bumgarner.
Better than Tom Sever, Steve Carlton, Jim Palmer, Nolar Ryan, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson. None threw as well in big games as he has.
If Bumgarner throws another 40 innings at his current postseason pace, he’ll essentially match what Schilling did during his postseason career.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk-off_home_runIn baseball, a walk-off home run is a home run that ends the game. It must be a home run that gives the home team the lead (and consequently, the win) in the bottom of the final inning of the game. Thus the home team can "walk off" the field immediately afterward, rather than finishing the inning. The winning runs must still be counted at home plate. Because the home team always bats last, any kind of "walk off" scenario, which ends the game, can only be accomplished by the home team.
Alpe d'Huez said:Rooting for the Cubs, and would love to see a Chicago-Cleveland WS. That would end some misery for one team for sure.
Wasn't this over the Phillies? Mitch Williams to be precise.Merckx index said:Alpe d'Huez said:Rooting for the Cubs, and would love to see a Chicago-Cleveland WS. That would end some misery for one team for sure.
Really. I don't understand all these highly partisan fans for other teams. I live in the Bay Area, generally enjoy seeing the Giants win, and I was glad they lost to the Cubs. Enough is enough.
The worst, IMO, are Chicago fans of the White Sox who don't want to see the city's other team win, and fans of other NL Central division teams, like the Cardinals, that are rivals of the Cubs. Your team is out, why wouldn't you root for the team that hasn't won a WS in more than a century? Particularly since they were clearly the best team in the regular season, which is a far better indicator of a team's strength than winning a short series, where chance plays a huge role. The logic seems to be that after the Red Sox finally ended their curse, their fans became insufferable (supposedly), and people are concerned that Cubs fans will be the same.
Some of the most famous walkoff HR in MLB history:
1) Bobby Thomson’s “The Shot Heard Around the World”, 9th inning 3-run HR to give the Giants the NL pennant over the Dodgers in 1951
2) Bill Mazeroski’s 9th inning HR to win the World Series for the Pirates over the Yankees in 1960
3) Carlton Fisk’s HR in the 12th inning to win the 6th game of the WS for Boston over Cincinnati in 1975
4) Chris Chambliss’ HR in the 9th inning to win the AL pennant for the Yankees over the Royals in 1976
5) Kirby Puckett’s 10th inning HR to win the 6th game of the WS for Minnesota over Atlanta in 1991
6) Joe Carter’s 3-run HR in the 9th inning to win the World Series for Toronto over Atlanta in 1993
7) Aaron Boone’s HR in the 11th inning to give the Yankees the AL pennant over the Red Sox in 2003
8) Magglio Ordonez’s 3-run HR in the 9th to win the AL pennant for Detroit over Oakland in 2006
9) David Freese’s HR in the 11th inning to win the 6th game of the WS for St. Louis over Texas in 2011
10) Travis Ishikawa’s 3-run HR in the 9th inning to win the NL pennant for the Giants over the Cardinals in 2014
These are arguably the most important ones, because all of them either won a WS (2,6) or a pennant (1,4,7,8,10), or prevented the player’s team from losing a WS (3,5,9). In sabermetric lingo, they were all hit in extremely high leverage situations, where what a batter does will have a major impact on the outcome of the game, and in these cases, the outcome of a championship series. Mazeroski’s was particularly important, as it’s the only time a walkoff HR has come in the seventh game of the WS, where it determined the Series winner immediately. Carter’s HR brought Toronto from behind in the game to win the game and the Series, so as far as that game was concerned, it was a little more dramatic. But if he had not hit it, Toronto still would have had a chance to win the Series in Game 7.
Interestingly, though, the highest leverage HR was not any of these. The Pirates’ Hal Smith hit a 3-run HR in the 8th inning of the same Game 7 of the 1960 WS that was won by Mazeroski’s HR in the ninth. When Mazeroski came to bat in the bottom of the ninth, the score was tied, and since the Yankees had already come to bat in the top half, the Pirates were slight favorites to win at that point. Mazeroski’s HR thus increased the odds from a little over 50% to 100%. But when Smith came to bat in the eighth, the Pirates were trailing with two outs and favored to lose; his HR put them ahead, and made them heavy favorites to win. It turned out to be a bigger swing in win probability than resulted from Mazeroski’s HR.
Yet even that was not the highest leverage situation in MLB championship history. Two years later, in the bottom of the ninth in Game 7 of the1962 WS, Willie McCovey came to bat with the tying run on third and winning run on second and two outs. His line drive out decided the Series for the Yankees; had it been a hit, the Giants almost certainly would have won, at the least would have tied the game and been favored to win.
Sciocco said:Wasn't this over the Phillies? Mitch Williams to be precise.Merckx index said:Alpe d'Huez said:Rooting for the Cubs, and would love to see a Chicago-Cleveland WS. That would end some misery for one team for sure.
Really. I don't understand all these highly partisan fans for other teams. I live in the Bay Area, generally enjoy seeing the Giants win, and I was glad they lost to the Cubs. Enough is enough.
The worst, IMO, are Chicago fans of the White Sox who don't want to see the city's other team win, and fans of other NL Central division teams, like the Cardinals, that are rivals of the Cubs. Your team is out, why wouldn't you root for the team that hasn't won a WS in more than a century? Particularly since they were clearly the best team in the regular season, which is a far better indicator of a team's strength than winning a short series, where chance plays a huge role. The logic seems to be that after the Red Sox finally ended their curse, their fans became insufferable (supposedly), and people are concerned that Cubs fans will be the same.
Some of the most famous walkoff HR in MLB history:
1) Bobby Thomson’s “The Shot Heard Around the World”, 9th inning 3-run HR to give the Giants the NL pennant over the Dodgers in 1951
2) Bill Mazeroski’s 9th inning HR to win the World Series for the Pirates over the Yankees in 1960
3) Carlton Fisk’s HR in the 12th inning to win the 6th game of the WS for Boston over Cincinnati in 1975
4) Chris Chambliss’ HR in the 9th inning to win the AL pennant for the Yankees over the Royals in 1976
5) Kirby Puckett’s 10th inning HR to win the 6th game of the WS for Minnesota over Atlanta in 1991
6) Joe Carter’s 3-run HR in the 9th inning to win the World Series for Toronto over Atlanta in 1993
7) Aaron Boone’s HR in the 11th inning to give the Yankees the AL pennant over the Red Sox in 2003
8) Magglio Ordonez’s 3-run HR in the 9th to win the AL pennant for Detroit over Oakland in 2006
9) David Freese’s HR in the 11th inning to win the 6th game of the WS for St. Louis over Texas in 2011
10) Travis Ishikawa’s 3-run HR in the 9th inning to win the NL pennant for the Giants over the Cardinals in 2014
These are arguably the most important ones, because all of them either won a WS (2,6) or a pennant (1,4,7,8,10), or prevented the player’s team from losing a WS (3,5,9). In sabermetric lingo, they were all hit in extremely high leverage situations, where what a batter does will have a major impact on the outcome of the game, and in these cases, the outcome of a championship series. Mazeroski’s was particularly important, as it’s the only time a walkoff HR has come in the seventh game of the WS, where it determined the Series winner immediately. Carter’s HR brought Toronto from behind in the game to win the game and the Series, so as far as that game was concerned, it was a little more dramatic. But if he had not hit it, Toronto still would have had a chance to win the Series in Game 7.
Interestingly, though, the highest leverage HR was not any of these. The Pirates’ Hal Smith hit a 3-run HR in the 8th inning of the same Game 7 of the 1960 WS that was won by Mazeroski’s HR in the ninth. When Mazeroski came to bat in the bottom of the ninth, the score was tied, and since the Yankees had already come to bat in the top half, the Pirates were slight favorites to win at that point. Mazeroski’s HR thus increased the odds from a little over 50% to 100%. But when Smith came to bat in the eighth, the Pirates were trailing with two outs and favored to lose; his HR put them ahead, and made them heavy favorites to win. It turned out to be a bigger swing in win probability than resulted from Mazeroski’s HR.
Yet even that was not the highest leverage situation in MLB championship history. Two years later, in the bottom of the ninth in Game 7 of the1962 WS, Willie McCovey came to bat with the tying run on third and winning run on second and two outs. His line drive out decided the Series for the Yankees; had it been a hit, the Giants almost certainly would have won, at the least would have tied the game and been favored to win.
No mention of Kirk Gibson's walk-off to end Game 1 of the 1988 World Series? Gibson was so injured he was not even in the game until that pinch hit, and in fact didn't play another game in the series. He could barely hobble around the bases after the HR. The A's were favored that series, and in the lead with Dennis Eckersley who was lights out at that time pitching. Gibson's HR was so dramatic, it not only won the game, it completely crushed the A's morale as a team for the rest of the series, and the Dodgers won in 5 games.Merckx index said:Some of the most famous walkoff HR in MLB history:
Alpe d'Huez said:No mention of Kirk Gibson's walk-off to end Game 1 of the 1988 World Series? Gibson was so injured he was not even in the game until that pinch hit, and in fact didn't play another game in the series. He could barely hobble around the bases after the HR. The A's were favored that series, and in the lead with Dennis Eckersley who was lights out at that time pitching. Gibson's HR was so dramatic, it not only won the game, it completely crushed the A's morale as a team for the rest of the series, and the Dodgers won in 5 games.
By the time Kirk Gibson reached his locker, bullpen coach Mark Cresse had written "R. HOBBS" on a piece of paper and taped it over Gibson's nameplate.
Legend indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U157X0jy5iw
I should note, I'm an A's fan, and both at the time, and even to this day am amazed by Gibson's at bat.
Tricycle Rider said:Come on, Cubbies, just find a way to win tonight!
Pretty please?![]()