Reasoned decision thread (includes speculation)

[Race Radio]

Lepheimer's team just announced that they expect USADA report this PM. 6 months fer Levi.....

Where did you see this?

 

[mikkemus23]

Who would make a movie about Levi?

Who would be the paying to see that?

Is it a comedy?

And by the way, epic timing, lol

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

Hey, something might happen today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/s...il-its-case-against-lance-armstrong.html?_r=0

 

[thirteen]

Travis' statement out: http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html

 

[thehog]

Travis' statement out: http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html

In addition to that, Tygart states that the evidence ‘also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding.’

He commends those eleven riders for speaking honestly, saying that they have been courageous in admitting the truth and have suffered greatly as a result. He said that the active competitors have all been ‘suspended and disqualified appropriately’ in line with the rules, meaning that Omega Pharma Quick Step rider Levi Leipheimer plus Garmin-Sharp’s Tom Danielson, Christian Vande Velde and David Zabriskie are all sidelined. It is not yet known how long their suspensions will last.

As for the others on the list, Micheal Barry and George Hincapie both retired in recent weeks, while Frankie Andreu, Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, Stephen Swart and Jonathan Vaughters hung up their wheels much earlier.

Tygart thanks them for their assistance, saying that they spoke out despite the personal cost. “In some part, it would have been easier for them if it all would just go away; however, they love the sport, and they want to help young athletes have hope that they are not put in the position they were -- to face the reality that in order to climb to the heights of their sport they had to sink to the depths of dangerous cheating,” he said.

“I have personally talked with and heard these athletes’ stories and firmly believe that, collectively, these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike.”

However despite the compelling evidence against him, he said that Armstrong rejected any invitations to ‘be part of the solution’ and to speak about the past.

“ He rejected it. Instead he exercised his legal right not to contest the evidence and knowingly accepted the imposition of a ban from recognized competition for life and disqualification of his competitive results from 1998 forward.”

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...UCI-and-WADA-over-1000-pages-of-evidence.aspx

 

[Cramps]

Travis' statement out: http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html

The 11 USPS team members whose evidence is included are identified as:

Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie

 

[Telmisartan new]

Anyone know how many hours before we get the full reasoned decision?

 

[RichWalk]

Well the mayhems fully underway, George admitting to doping etc etc, Lance must be drunk under a rock somewhere

 

[Briant_Gumble]

The 11 USPS team members whose evidence is included are identified as:

Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie

I'm confused although I'm sure it will become apparent very soon, it says 15 riders, is that 11 USPS and 4 from other teams?

 

[Cramps]

It says 15 riders.

Who are the other 4?

Refers to "15 riders with knowledge of the US Postal Service" and "11 teammates"....

 

[Big Daddy]

This is getting good. Very, very good.

Armstrong is screwed. UCI is screwed.

"These eleven (11) teammates of Lance Armstrong, in alphabetical order, are Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie."

 

[The Hitch]

Maybe im late to the party since i haven't been following this recently but michael barry

 

[VeloCity]

Well, there's Hincapie's confession.

In a statement by his lawyer on Wednesday, Hincapie, the only rider who was at Armstrong’s side for Armstrong’s seven Tour victories, acknowledged doping and apologized to his family, teammates and fans for his dishonesty.

“Early in my professional career, it became clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs by cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the highest level without them,” said Hincapie, who retired from cycling this year after riding in a record 17th Tour. “I deeply regret that choice.”

Hincapie, the five-time Olympian and three-time national road race champion, said that he had been approached by federal investigators in the spring of 2010 and they asked him to divulge his experience with doping. That summer, he sat down with them and admitted he had cheated with drugs — but also reluctantly spoke about the other cyclists involved in doping because he felt “obligated to tell the truth about everything he knew,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/s...l=1&adxnnlx=1349884141-wGPM2rVp3/37LX5rF/aGsw

The article also says that there is sworn testimony from 26 individuals? If 15 are riders, who are the other 11?

 

[Benotti69]

Well Kimmage got what he wanted here. He went to Brailsford and advised him to go to Barry and tell him to come clean when he was implicated by Landis. Well it looks like Barry made up his own mind here.

Bet is was the feds knocking that convinced him and not Brailsford

 

[Cloxxki]

Well, there's Hincapie's confession.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/s...l=1&adxnnlx=1349884141-wGPM2rVp3/37LX5rF/aGsw

The article also says that there is sworn testimony from 26 individuals? If 15 are riders, who are the other 11?

11 USPS, 15 others, or the other way around.
It's possible they were recommended by the USPS riders to be questioned. And there are post-USPS and pre-USPS teammates of course who might have a thing to say. It's not all about USPS, but that's the time period the FEDs were most interested in of course.

 

[Benotti69]

11 USPS, 15 others, or the other way around.
It's possible they were recommended by the USPS riders to be questioned. And there are post-USPS and pre-USPS teammates of course who might have a thing to say. It's not all about USPS, but that's the time period the FEDs were most interested in of course.

http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html

The evidence of the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team-run scheme is overwhelming and is in excess of 1000 pages, and includes sworn testimony from 26 people, including 15 riders with knowledge of the US Postal Service Team (USPS Team) and its participants’ doping activities


These eleven (11) teammates of Lance Armstrong, in alphabetical order, are Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

"These eleven (11) teammates of Lance Armstrong, in alphabetical order, are Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie."

No Kevin Livingston.

 

[BroDeal]

No Kevin Livingston.

No Jemisen. Maybe he punched out one of the USADA investigators.

 

[spetsa]

11 usps, 15 others, or the other way around.
It's possible they were recommended by the usps riders to be questioned. And there are post-usps and pre-usps teammates of course who might have a thing to say. It's not all about usps, but that's the time period the feds were most interested in of course.

astana / disco.....

 

[Cloxxki]

No Kevin Livingston.

I hope for him he set the price such that it's worth some jail time. And he secured the payment before this all got to unfold.
The big question the past years has been WHO would be prepared to do jail time for Lance. We may have found a winner. He may prefer it over a certain building's basement?

 

[Cloxxki]

astana / disco.....

Yup, but they obviosuly can have knowledge of USPS stuff then, as it was all the Lance and Johan show. If only at one time they said to a rider "like last year", immediately the rider is a valid witness for the USPS case.
The USPS focus is interesting though, has a FED taste to it. One can hope...

 

[Benotti69]

I hope for him he set the price such that it's worth some jail time. And he secured the payment before this all got to unfold.
The big question the past years has been WHO would be prepared to do jail time for Lance. We may have found a winner. He may prefer it over a certain building's basement?

Being the gimp in the basement of mellow johnnys is not without its perks or so i am led to believe

 

[D-Queued]

Maybe im late to the party since i haven't been following this recently but michael barry

Has always come across as an intelligent chap.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Barry just confessed.

 

[D-Queued]

Barry just confessed.

Got it.

Anything more - link?

Dave.

EDIT to add: http://www.michalbarry.ca appears to be unavailable/not responding. Overwhelmed by the interest?