Rebellin signs for Miche per now

[luckyboy]

Would've been interesting to see how ridiculous things could have got at the Giro. Guess it's all on Aru and Rosa to kick everyone's ass

 

[WillemS]

Nothing to see here, move on, folks.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

that was hillarious. Huge time gaps too and looked like he was holding back.

Why isn't he riding the giro

I just wonder how 43 year old riders (Rebellin, Horner) beat World Tour riders without help.... That's not really a question.

if you are really good, 43 years old is not a problem againts people not so good. In the case of Rebellin, Turky is the big moment in his season, becouse he is not riding the Giro. I bet for any Worl Tour rider Turkia means the same in the season. Rabellin was sucking wheel with head wind and he is really explosive, he would have put one minute over the second with 30 yeard old.

I dont Know about if Rebellin doped or not, this kind of races and teams out of Wold Tour the risk rise, and Rebellin, althoug he has a big quality, doped in the past (the same as most of the peloton anyway), but what I am sure is that is possible.

I am always surprising when I saw people with 75 years old finishing hard cyclo-tourist events. A talent young rider of 15 years old cant do what they do.

Read what Robert Marchand can do with 102 years old... if that is possible, the decrasing curv from 30 years old must be enougt soft to can win Turquia if you were really good at 30. And Rebellin was.

Imaging Marchand could do being 30 years old 50 km in one hour. Now he did 26, , so it is an average of : 102-30=72....50-26=24...24/72= 0.33 Kh/h... so, with 43, he must do the hour in...13x0,33 =4,33, he decrease his performance from 50 to 46 Km/h...that asuming that is a line, not a curve, if is a curve, must be about 48, so, from 50 to 48 coulb be the decrasing of the best Rebellin with 43 respet 30, an with 13 years more of experience...(although I asumme experience from 35 to 43 is the same, but who knows... )

I could acept more decreasing, the equvalent from 50 to 45 (no more), but we must consider Rebellin has just a few objetives along the season, that is noit like to race a World Tour season.

What is more difficul, with that age, is to find motivation to compite after 25 yeas.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Rebellin... Rebellin... He is the baby version of Horner. Both improving or at least holding their old performance levels at ages other riders are forced to/or long ago quit (simply because they can´t/could not hold wheels anymore), and after a long absence from top level racing. The one hiding for some years in obscure US races, the other serving, who would have thought?, a doping ban. Both hardcore dopers, totally unashamed of risking to be caught (again). At least the majority of other riders have fear, keep their doping at lower levels, but not those two arrogant nutjobs. That is what makes it the most disgusting for me.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It´s kind of strange that in the cleanest era ever , riders could hold their performancxe levels at high age (which was even unseen in the LA era). Not only Rebellin & Horner, but also guys like Evans, Valv-Piti, AC, etc... How do you explain that JV?

 

[Netserk]

Contador was 31 last season. Same age Hinault had when he caused mayhem in the '86 Tour.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

... and it was his last hurrah*... while AC (outside of 2013) is as good as ever. No aging process whatsoever...

(* Seems the dope of 1900-2000 shortened the careers, while the clean and healthy riders of now can prolong careers into their 30s, 40s, may even 50s. Just shows that doping does/did not work )

 

[Netserk]

So winning as 31 years old is now very suspicious???

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I didnt say that... whatever.

 

[Netserk]

So how old is too old to be on the top? Clearly you think Alberto is too old, right?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So how old is too old to be on the top? Clearly you think Alberto is too old, right?

No I dont think AC is too old. Everybody gets older. Even Helmut Schmidt with his 96 years isnt too old.

But I guess most understood that it is striking that pre 90 most CG riders declined around 30, then in the Epo/extra blood era guys aged 30+ finished CGs high (where they have never been in their peak years, which are normally mid to end 20s), and now guys in their 30s, early 40s dont decline a bit, some reach new highs.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Re:

Rebellin... Rebellin... He is the baby version of Horner. Both improving or at least holding their old performance levels at ages other riders are forced to/or long ago quit (simply because they can´t/could not hold wheels anymore), and after a long absence from top level racing. The one hiding for some years in obscure US races, the other serving, who would have thought?, a doping ban. Both hardcore dopers, totally unashamed of risking to be caught (again). At least the majority of other riders have fear, keep their doping at lower levels, but not those two arrogant nutjobs. That is what makes it the most disgusting for me.

Wait, what, Rebellin improved or held his performance level? Winning the Tour of Turkey is the same level as being at the pointy end of every hilly classis?

 

[Netserk]

Re:

So how old is too old to be on the top? Clearly you think Alberto is too old, right?

No I dont think AC is too old. Everybody gets older. Even Helmut Schmidt with his 96 years isnt too old.

But I guess most understood that it is striking that pre 90 most CG riders declined around 30, then in the Epo/extra blood era guys aged 30+ finished CGs high (where they have never been in their peak years, which are normally mid to end 20s), and now guys in their 30s, early 40s dont decline a bit, some reach new highs.

You don't think Contador is too old? Well, then your previous post don't make much sense.

It´s kind of strange that in the cleanest era ever , riders could hold their performancxe levels at high age (which was even unseen in the LA era). Not only Rebellin & Horner, but also guys like Evans, Valv-Piti, AC, etc... How do you explain that JV?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Re: Re:

Rebellin... Rebellin... He is the baby version of Horner. Both improving or at least holding their old performance levels at ages other riders are forced to/or long ago quit (simply because they can´t/could not hold wheels anymore), and after a long absence from top level racing. The one hiding for some years in obscure US races, the other serving, who would have thought?, a doping ban. Both hardcore dopers, totally unashamed of risking to be caught (again). At least the majority of other riders have fear, keep their doping at lower levels, but not those two arrogant nutjobs. That is what makes it the most disgusting for me.

Wait, what, Rebellin improved or held his performance level? Winning the Tour of Turkey is the same level as being at the pointy end of every hilly classis?

+ @ Netserk

You have great points here. Congrats. You won a internet debatte.

For me, it´s just highly suspicious that the greatest riders ever couldn´t stop aging and thus had to retire latest mid 30s (bonus @ Netserk: leave alone still battle it out with the same strong performances they had when they were in the 20s, doped btw).... Back in the day there were no Horners, Rebellins, Pitis, Evans racing at the highest level when way over their peak years. Zilch. Nobody. Not even Merckcx was able to do that. That´s my point... OTOH, I am not going into nitpicking debates. And thus; Adios, good luck, and good night. Wish ya all a great weekend.

 

[Taxus4a]

Of course nor Rebellin nor Horner are holding his best performances in the past, but they are both differente cases.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

So how old is too old to be on the top? Clearly you think Alberto is too old, right?

35-45, depending the rider. About this is very interesenting teh statement done today by Unzue about alejandro, who imaging him at similar level at 40 than now.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/valverde-por-unzue-alejandro-seguira-a-los-40-como-ahora-30-04-2015

And the most important part is this (it lloks like if he read me yesterday, but sure that no)

Precisely because of his age, did doubts by signing three seasons until 2017?
If we had taken doubt, we had signed only one. Alejandro will be 40 -has 35 years and I do not change much as we are seeing now. This may sound bold. But these things do not come alone. It is genetic, yes, but, eye, made because it is a serious professional. It is careful; you're not going out of their menus, their sleep and never leaves the bike. Even a walk, can not ride a bike stop because it is their passion. I see very good riders but come a time when they are exhausted; in your head does not fit more goals, the level of suffering that demands to be prepared for the big races permanently and have to decide to leave because they will not. However, Alejandro today, and short and medium term, I see no sign of that is boring, quite the opposite, because it is passionate, loves, is what he does best, and is a privileged of the nature and getting better does certain things. While maintain this passion, if you respect some falls or injuries, I think we'll Alejandro for a long time.

 

[Taxus4a]

Contador too old? It this serious? He is in the best age for cycling

Why some great champion have left cycling at 32, that is another question, but not becouse they are already old.

 

[papisimo98]

How old is too old is a great question. Especially at the elite level.
Endurance seems to increase(to a certain point) but explosiveness decreases for sure.
Dope or no dope, using modern training techniques and devices in itself will increase the lifespan of a rider's peak, compared to riders in the past. Looking back 20-30 years how they ground huge gears at low cadences up climbs seems awfully taxing and injurious compared to today's compact crank sets and high cadences. That's just one example.

 

[nayr497]

My biggest complaint with the guy is how bad he looks. Most PROs make me want to look more PROs, he looks awful.

The fashion police, not the urine patrol, needs to nab him.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Re: Re:

Rebellin... Rebellin... He is the baby version of Horner. Both improving or at least holding their old performance levels at ages other riders are forced to/or long ago quit (simply because they can´t/could not hold wheels anymore), and after a long absence from top level racing. The one hiding for some years in obscure US races, the other serving, who would have thought?, a doping ban. Both hardcore dopers, totally unashamed of risking to be caught (again). At least the majority of other riders have fear, keep their doping at lower levels, but not those two arrogant nutjobs. That is what makes it the most disgusting for me.

Wait, what, Rebellin improved or held his performance level? Winning the Tour of Turkey is the same level as being at the pointy end of every hilly classis?

+ @ Netserk

You have great points here. Congrats. You won a internet debatte.

For me, it´s just highly suspicious that the greatest riders ever couldn´t stop aging and thus had to retire latest mid 30s (bonus @ Netserk: leave alone still battle it out with the same strong performances they had when they were in the 20s, doped btw).... Back in the day there were no Horners, Rebellins, Pitis, Evans racing at the highest level when way over their peak years. Zilch. Nobody. Not even Merckcx was able to do that. That´s my point... OTOH, I am not going into nitpicking debates. And thus; Adios, good luck, and good night. Wish ya all a great weekend.

Zoetemelk did
Duclos-Lasalle did
Van Steenbergen was winning national championships on the track till age 40 and that was ages ago
Rebellin's career trajectory has zero similarity with Horner's. Zilch
Neither has Valverde's or Evans'
Many riders have performed at high levels aged 34 or 35 like Valverde does and Evans did

Congrats, your post made zero sense. Pointing that out isn't exactly nitpicking imo

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

if anything the new era is one where younger athletes mature faster and then can keep going
Looking at other endurance sports such as Ironman racing the athletes at the top end in the past were all later 20's into their 30's as the bodies had grown enough muscle to cope with the training requirements and the mind had matured to cope with the demands of winning.
Now youngsters in their late teens and early 20's are getting psychological coaching to enable them to cope with the pressure and the drugs to give them the bulk and capability to perform and train at high levels.

They then go on to have long and successful careers

Maybe a better way of looking at it is not the age of the athlete but more the duration of competition at the elite level.

If we look at top professional athletes in the pre epo era they probably had a similar lifespan in the sport of let say 10 years at a top level. Whether they peaked at 25 or 32 is immaterial they go from 25 to 35 and retire or go from 28 to 38 and retire

Do they now peak sooner and then last much longer in duration at a top level. That would seem the more relevant question to be asking and subsequently HOW?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Re: Re:

Rebellin... Rebellin... He is the baby version of Horner. Both improving or at least holding their old performance levels at ages other riders are forced to/or long ago quit (simply because they can´t/could not hold wheels anymore), and after a long absence from top level racing. The one hiding for some years in obscure US races, the other serving, who would have thought?, a doping ban. Both hardcore dopers, totally unashamed of risking to be caught (again). At least the majority of other riders have fear, keep their doping at lower levels, but not those two arrogant nutjobs. That is what makes it the most disgusting for me.

Wait, what, Rebellin improved or held his performance level? Winning the Tour of Turkey is the same level as being at the pointy end of every hilly classis?

+ @ Netserk

You have great points here. Congrats. You won a internet debatte.

For me, it´s just highly suspicious that the greatest riders ever couldn´t stop aging and thus had to retire latest mid 30s (bonus @ Netserk: leave alone still battle it out with the same strong performances they had when they were in the 20s, doped btw).... Back in the day there were no Horners, Rebellins, Pitis, Evans racing at the highest level when way over their peak years. Zilch. Nobody. Not even Merckcx was able to do that. That´s my point... OTOH, I am not going into nitpicking debates. And thus; Adios, good luck, and good night. Wish ya all a great weekend.

Zoetemelk did
Duclos-Lasalle did
Van Steenbergen was winning national championships on the track till age 40 and that was ages ago
Rebellin's career trajectory has zero similarity with Horner's. Zilch
Neither has Valverde's or Evans'
Many riders have performed at high levels aged 34 or 35 like Valverde does and Evans did

Congrats, your post made zero sense. Pointing that out isn't exactly nitpicking imo

All ok... until "zero sense". That made me to come back once more...

"Zero sense"... well, same goes for yours. Do some cherry picking and you can turn every post up side down... Whatever, you won, and I have the numbers on my side. They speak volumes. Adios, bye bye, enjoy the Giro, have a nice time.

 

[staubsauger]

Foxy never heard about that world champion called Joop Zoetemelk !

 

[hrotha]

There's always been some super old dudes around, but that doesn't change the fact that we're seeing a trend towards older riders still being at the top of their game.

 

[Netserk]

Re:

There's always been some super old dudes around, but that doesn't change the fact that we're seeing a trend towards older riders still being at the top of their game.

Yeah, but is that because of hormone treatments, epo or because something like cortisone is used less?

Either way, it's ridiculous to include Contador as one of the unexpectedly well performing older riders.