Renshaw out

[delbified]

i always thought using your head to make space for yourself was pretty ho hum in the pro peloton.

 

[fatsprintking]

i always thought using your head to make space for yourself was pretty ho hum in the pro peloton.

Using your head and leaning to protect space is one thing, but actually butting with your head three times! It was not normal behaviour in the bunch and I think most people can see that the line has been crossed by a fair way.

 

[woodie]

I always thought the rules said that as long as you kept your hands on the bars elbows and heads were acceptable. I'll have to look it up.

Also, it looks to me as though Renshaw is chasing Cav's wheel, i mean who hasn't done that??? If he did intentionally hook TF then yeah there needs to be a penalty but I think a DQ is too harsh, how about half his salary??

I also think there needs to be an appeal process.

 

[Nearly]

Using your head and leaning to protect space is one thing, but actually butting with your head three times! It was not normal behaviour in the bunch and I think most people can see that the line has been crossed by a fair way.

Sure it deserves sanction but not being ejected. When was the last time that happened in the TdF or the pro peleton?

 

[online-rider]

This decision makes sprinting more dangerous. If a rider (in this case Dean) puts his elbows out and tries to push you off the line AND YOU CAN'T USE YOUR HEAD / SHOULDER then the chance of a crash is higher.

Dean was trying to move Renshaw left to stop him opening a door for Cavendish.

Later, when Renshaw moves left, Farrar has enough space to get past by the barriers and he is already beaten. Renshaw's move was dirty but not particularly dangerous and did not change the result.

Furthermore, Renshaw is safer than many lead-out men. As Cav passes him he continues at speed and is getting out of the way. What is much worse is when the lead-out man pulls off and stops pedalling, endangering everyone behind.

You really think so? Why would Farrar stedy himself on Renshaw then, if he had room to go on after cavendish?

 

[Christian Schneider]

I don't care who gets the green jersey, just so long as it's not a Garmin or Columbia rider. Both of those teams are annoying.

 

[gerigeri]

here it is:
http://video.competitor.com/2010/07/cycling/velocenter-tdf-stage-11-highlight/

BTW, Farrar told that the "headbutting" was normal:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/15072010/58/farrar-renshaw-incident.html

Here is a better one:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/15072010/58/stage-11-minute.html

 

[online-rider]

Deans take on it (Audio ~4mins) :
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/audio_popup_windows_skin/3648235

 

[Mabiker]

Renshaw out.

I like this decision, he don´t need to do that. (head-bang and put Farrar in the fence)
I hope that´s make he thinking about he did!!!

 

[SpartacusRox]

A simple case of another Aussie cracking

 

[SpartacusRox]

I approve of this post, that is exactly how I saw it. You seem like you have done this sort of thing (bunch sprint) as have I.
Bottom line it was over the top, not the worst thing I have seen in a sprint, but a simple relegation would not have bothered him at all, he sat up right after the hook he threw Farrar anyway. Why would he be bothered at a relegation?

I agree with yours and the posters assesment except for the point where Cav makes his move. If you review it from front on you will see that as Cav makes his move past, Renshaw clearly turns his head to the left, sees Farrar moving up and then move straight across to block him against the rails, at which time Farrar puts his hand out to fend him off.

Totally agree that just a race DQ would mean absolutely nothing to Renshaw and would send no message at at all to others thinking about doing the same thing. As you rightly point out; why would a relegation concern a leadout man once his job is done.

 

[reyan12]

Renshaw deserved the verdict.He and other sprinters must learn a lesson !!!

 

[reyan12]

How many innocent people get hurt if Barredo or Costa manage to land even one decent blow? Their swinging of handbags was trivial in terms of possible damage, except perhaps to their reputations.

How many innocent people get hurt if Farrar doesn't read Renshaw's swerve and ends up on the deck? Potentially people end up dead.

(Then there's the issue the Barredo and Costa were not actually racing, so race rules don't apply. It's all those "bringing the sport into disrepute" rules that are pure BS. Like cycling as any repute at all. Do they ban racers who have a fight in the hotel as well?)

+1
i cant agree with you more

 

[spanky wanderlust]

i totally agree that renshaw deserved to be tossed! but as jamsque and many others have pointed out, the head **** was pretty innocuous and typical sprinter argy bargy. it was the goddamn move on farrar. he looked over and jammed farrar 3m across to the barriers! absolutely intentional. the refs got it wrong, but the result is the same.

except, that farrar was clearly faster than peta. of course they were racing for second. but still... the implications for the points jersey are enormous.

let's not forget that there are two world class riders with major stage winning potential that are not in this tour as a result of the crash that cav caused a few weeks ago. htc needs to be taught a lesson about rider safety. i think tossing renshaw was a good start.

 

[Spare Tyre]

bottom line: harsh but fair.

I have never understood this expression. Harsh, by definition, seems not to equate with "fair".

It's interesting how differently people view the same incident.

Having read the thread and now seen the footage a few times I'm in the camp of those who see the blocking of Farrar as the bigger "sin", rather than the headbutting. Farrar himself describes the Dean/Renshaw altercation as normal sprinting, but objects to Renshaw closing the door.

A DQ does seem too harsh, IMO, but I can see that other penalties wouldn't bother Renshaw or HTC too much. Maybe take the stage win away from Cav, and all the team's results for the stage? Ie, punish the whole team so that the team forces the sprinter into line in future.

 

[WillieTheWaiter]

But there's lots of space between Dean and the barrier?

Exactly - Renshaw even contradicts his own defence.

I think kicking him out of the race was a step too far. "head-butting" is a strong word - the sprinters always use head to lean into each other. Renshaw was merely protecting his sprinting line - Dean's surge almost rode him into barriers.
Blocking Farrar was a bigger deal to me too - it seemed he looked back, and then changed his line, perhaps intentionally blocking Farrar. By that time Farrar should have been on Cav's wheel, though.

"Dean's surge almost rode him into barriers."

Bollicks. Even contradicted by Renshaw himself.

"Julian came hard in on my position with his elbows. I needed to use my head to retain balance or there would have been a crash. If had used my elbows when Julian brought his elbow on top of mine we would also have crashed. The object was to hold my line and stay upright."
"I only saw open space on my left. I had no idea Tyler Farrar was there. By no means would I ever put any of my fellow riders in danger."

So you only saw open space on your left, but you had to use your head because you were running out of space on your left? hmmm

look at the road markings - Julz was dead straight. Bumping elbows happens between about 20 riders every sprint. Smacking heads does not.

 

[cyclingwisconsin14]

Renshaw definitely deserved to be tossed. I love the tour and this sort of behavior totally takes the sport out of it. Yes, Cav likely would have won today, but nobobody even had a chance to challenge him.

I have crashed way too many times on my bike to think it's acceptable for a lead out man to run everyone else into the barriers. We need to accept that Renshaw is gone and move on.

I am American and I love cycling! but I can't consider Columbia an American team. They are a bunch a thugs organized by a guy who's rediculously weathly, and doesn't have anything better to spend his money on. Unless you are home grown American (like Garmin) and bring at least 3-4 North American's to the tour you can't be considered a real US team.

Columbia the cycling team will be forgotten in no time (like their jackets have been, North Face is far superior!) and Cav will take his millions into oblivion where he and Mark Renshaw will talk about how awesome they were in Stage 12 of the 2010 tour when no one sprinted except Cav...

At the end of the day, 2010 is still the year of the stage racers. Cav has been terrible! The only reason he's won 3 stages at the tour is because of his team and their brutal tactics. The Ardennes and the Giro were unbelievable in 2010 so i hope that's what we take from this lackluster year in cycling

 

[barn yard]

Cav has been terrible! ... won 3 stages at the tour

can you define 'not terrible'?

 

[richwagmn]

Just watched this a few times. No way Renshaw was at fault during the head butting. He was clearly holding his line and Dean was moving into him.

But, he did move to block Farrar. For that, a fine and time penalty was all that was needed. It didn't affect Cav's result but it was dangerous.

Stupid and arbitrary decision and a clear overreaction.

Now if a rider hit another with say his front wheel, he should be thrown out... oh wait.

 

[Nearly]

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I have crashed way too many times on my bike to think it's acceptable for a lead out man to run everyone else into the barriers. We need to accept that Renshaw is gone and move on.

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Unless you are home grown American (like Garmin) and bring at least 3-4 North American's to the tour you can't be considered a real US team.
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OK you are saying let's a rub out non American sprinters for any reason even if they on an American team (so magnanimous) or perhaps even because they are on an American team. The move towards the barriers had nothing to do with commissaires' decision - their beef was the head butting which most including Dean himself seem to have little concern with.

For a more balanced American take see http://video.competitor.com/2010/07/...-11-highlight/

 

[slowroleur]

What line are you looking at?

I've been following these posts and I find it lame that people claim to think Dean didn't come over Renshaw's line. He did. Stop saying otherwise, it's annoying. Even frickin' Paul Sherwen called it that way live from the helicopter view. At the start of the sequence Renshaw is like 10 feet from the barriers, at the closest, maybe 5. When he says he's, "running out of room" he means for him to do his job which is to launch Cav. Dean is clearly trying to box in Cav. That's racing. And it's also racing to push back. I notice no one wrecked. In, fact, neither Dean nor Renshaw even wobbled. Dean wasn't upset about it in the immediate post-race interview he said, "that's racing"

 

[mowie133]

I'm glad that little idiot Renshaw is out. They should also disqualify Cav's victory and penalize the team.

he is a star,an you get jeloues trolls like this calling him a idiot calling the kettle black ain't we...
he made a mistake oh no!!! that means his human!!! your a few cows short of a herd

 

[slowroleur]

I think Renshaw was angry

So the head-butting was flagrantly obvious but the real problem was the blocking? Oh, the irony. Yeah, Renshaw saw Farrar, yeah he blocked him, he was ****ed about Dean trying to block him and Cav. A-and don't get all hysterical. Renshaw wasn't trying to wreck nobody. He looked right at Farrar and moved over, tit for tat. Farrar's a baby. He shouldn't have put his hand out. That is how you cause a wreck. I never hear people saying Renshaw's dirty, I think he made an uncharacteristic choice because he was aggravated that the lead out man for a slower rider had the audacity to use tactics to gain an advantage. Ha! I said that just to be mean. And the punishment is too severe, no one was hurt.

 

[offbyone]

Dean definitely steered towards renshaw's line, but renshaw's reaction was clearly excessive and then taking his anger out by cutting off farrar was a bit much. However, this penalty is also extremely excessive.

I would gander that the organizers are making an example out of renshaw, probably an example they should have made out of the riders fighting after the race the other day. Of course you have to wonder if it is more than that and whether it is more of a political move and they are picking on columbia a bit.

It is unfortunate because now columbia's lead out train is decimated. I would love to see farrar win a stage, but i would like to see him beat cavendish at his best, we aren't going to see that anymore. However, my guess is that cavendish continues destroying everyone anyways.

 

[balkou]

Renshaw could have easily argue that he tried not to be driven in the barriers. But then he did deliberately exactly the same thing to Farrar, although he had already finished his lead-out work. His own action cancels his defense argument.

As for the Barredo incident, that at maximum could have effected in the health of the 2 riders implicated in the fight. The Renshaw incident could have easily affected in the health of at least 20 riders, if it would have ended in a crash.