Renshaw out

[battaglin]

This is exactly what happenned. Clearly the chamois sniffers have jumped off the Pharmstrong bandwagon and hitched their trailers to Cavs mandibles. The man-love for Cav is just disgusting.

It's not as disgusting as the HATRED shown.Cav did nothing wrong in this sprint.
As for the other points
Dean does move over and puts his elbow into Renshaw(look at the barriers)
When Renshaw looks left does he see Farrar as I watched this over 100 times and seems he looks left when Farrar is directly behind him.On first viewing I thought that more serious than a few nudges with the head.Kelly and Vanderaerden style.


Question for the people who think Dean is squeaky clean.
Did Cav move on Hushovd last year and squeeze him into the barriers.
Before you answer please make sure your wearing the same glasses as you did then.
It is very obvious the Cav haters will say anything to see him taken down a peg.Especially here as he did nothing wrong in that gallop except WIN AGAIN
GO CAV GO
OOO can you feel the man love pmsl

 

[DL9999]

I wonder if the French judicial system is so swift to condemn; might make it a very cheap way of administering things if you only look at evidence ONCE!

That I find a very silly remark indeed. What has this got to do with the French legal system?

 

[abbaskip]

It's not as disgusting as the HATRED shown.Cav did nothing wrong in this sprint.
As for the other points
Dean does move over and puts his elbow into Renshaw(look at the barriers)
When Renshaw looks left does he see Farrar as I watched this over 100 times and seems he looks left when Farrar is directly behind him.On first viewing I thought that more serious than a few nudges with the head.Kelly and Vanderaerden style.


Question for the people who think Dean is squeaky clean.
Did Cav move on Hushovd last year and squeeze him into the barriers.
Before you answer please make sure your wearing the same glasses as you did then.
It is very obvious the Cav haters will say anything to see him taken down a peg.Especially here as he did nothing wrong in that gallop except WIN AGAIN
GO CAV GO
OOO can you feel the man love pmsl

Yeah, I'm not a big Cav fan, I'm a big Renshaw fan though, and I agree with basically all you've said.

I'm fairly sure, as Renshaw only just started sprinting at about the same time as Cavendish (because Cav's sprint started so early) that he actually swerved to get on Cavendish's wheel, and finish high up the standings himself (especially as it may have meant taking points away from other Green Jersey competitors). Of course he looked behind him before he moved on to Cavendish's wheel. It would have been irresponsible not to. But when he looked to his left, there was no one there, so he moved across trying to grab Cav's wheel.

 

[reyan12]

Animals and animal behaviour is prohibited in the peloton because it can cause injuries to the riders.Head butting is a animal behaviour.Bulls and water buffaloes always do head butting.Renshaw deserves to be disqualified!

 

[abbaskip]

Animals and animal behaviour is prohibited in the peloton because it can cause injuries to the riders.Head butting is a animal behaviour.Bulls and water buffaloes always do head butting.Renshaw deserves to be disqualified!

Do you even ride a bike mate? Comments like that make me wonder. If you do, your club obviously doesn't focus too much on bike handling and education. Which is a shame.

When someone comes from JUST infront of you, and starts moving across, there is a HUGE chance of accident. Apart from touching wheels, it's probably the biggest cause of accidents between two cyclists in cycling. Headbutting is the safest way to stay upright, and hold your line. Your head is the furthest unattached part of your body, from your handle bars. And when you head ****, you usually hit shoulder/head/torso of the other ride. All areas that are extremely unlikely to knock anyone off.

Based on your comments, basically all track riders are animals? Chopping (cutting into an oppenent when not fully past them) is much much more dangerous.

 

[Hawkwood]

HTC owns the last 300metres.

Still think if Sean Kelly, who was not a dirty vicious sprinter, did not have a problem with it why should anyone????

although he had a great fight with Vanderarden(spelling) during a TdF finish, throwing fists at each other....

Should be a panel of former sprint specialists who decide these things. enough of them probably working on the tour.

Hinault is part of a panel that decides the combativity award for each stage, €2000.00 prize.

edit;. Back in 1997, and by strange coincidence, Erik Zabel was moved from first to last place having aimed a head **** at Frédéric Moncassin. Zabel, though, stayed in the race…

Kelly was once relegated for pulling a rider in a TDF sprint. Jan Raas said that one moment he was sprinting head to head with rider X, the next moment this rider had disappeared to be replaced by Kelly! Kelly used to practice crashing!

 

[battaglin]

Kelly was once relegated for pulling a rider in a TDF sprint. Jan Raas said that one moment he was sprinting head to head with rider X, the next moment this rider had disappeared to be replaced by Kelly! Kelly used to practice crashing!

I loved watching Kelly and Vanderaerden sprinting against each other,proper sprints in them days.They would both be banned for life if they were galloping now
Be interesting to see the remaining gallops of this tour,wonder if any body else is D.Q.'d

 

[fatsprintking]

I dont know guys, it just seems like some of you are missing the point a bit.

Julian Dean is paid to lead out as is Mark Renshaw. They have raced together at CA and no doubt been in a similar situation to today many times. They both know the drill and what you can and cant do. Of course Dean is going to crowd Renshaw as he comes up to him. They are not sprinting, they are leading out. Dean's job is to get his man to the right spot as well as to legally impede his opposition from getting a clear run. He didnt hook Renshaw, but he was certainly crowding him and certainly making sure that Cavandish does not have a chance to come up the right hand side, he is also trying to move Renshaw to the left, not to put him into the barriers but to close down Cavandish options to go left. It was actually really good riding and outside of anything else forces Cav to go early - a task that he is up to, but generally it would have been too early. Generally your rule of thumb is to go as late as you can but before everyone else (appologies to Tim Krabbe - The Rider)

If you look at Friere with 1k to go you will see a perfect example of what a class rider does when someone tries to crowd him. He uses his head and shoulder but it is firm rather than aggressive.

As for Tyler getting impeded, I have stated previously that the issue with Renshaws actions is that he changes his mind. He starts to sit up and then sees that noone has Cavs wheel and so goes for it. He was never going to put Tyler into the barriers, but these type of mind changes are very very dangerous. You are either sprinting or you are sitting up, not starting to sit up then changing your mind.

If you look closely at the sprint you will see that the guy who moves off his line the most is Petacchi, who goes from one side of the road to the other. In the process he clearly impedes Rojas, who actually does a fantastic sprint through the traffic. Petacchi's lead out Hondo sits up and gets into Hushovlds way, while McEwen makes a good late run to the right and actually looks pretty good for possible win on the last stage.

I think that you have to try and look past your personal loyalties and actually see what is happening in the bigger scheme of things. Which ever way you cut it Renshaw was over the top with his head throwing antics and it is a really bad look. For the record I love the guy, but he was way over the top with what he did and this needs to be acted on.

 

[hrotha]

What Renshaw did was unbehavable.

 

[53 x 11]

You Cav slurpers need new glasses. Officials had it right.

1. HTC train deviated right (stage left). Check the paint on the ground and distance from the barriers.
2. The "elbow" Dean gave was nothing. He didn't lean (I'm not even sure the elbow made contact.)
3. Renshaw headbutts 3 times, then deviates further right.
4. Renshaw looks back, sees Farrar coming then deviates left.

As someone who has got drunk and tried to pick up Renshaw's sister, I can confirm that he is quite a nice guy. However in this case I really think that the officials got it right and this is a good summation of what happened
HTC played with fire and got burned. The rule of sprinting is "you do what you can get away with" This time they didnt get away with it.

 

[SirLes]

Precedents for people getting kicked out of the tour?

I know people have been relegated to last place before but actually kicked out?

Maurice Garin did for taking a train, I know that much. Anything more recent?

 

[SpartacusRox]

See, rubbish like this why I'm starting to get annoyed.
I like Farrar, but I don't like Cav.
The whole DQ issue has nothing to do with Renshaw cutting up Farrar and even less to do with Cav.

The DQ debate is between Dean and Renshaw. Lose track of that and objectivity goes out of the window.

hungry-ford's post above, is the most clinical, comprehensive and accurate post on the subject.

Mate don't get too upset, you should expect posts of this calibre from centric. Now that Lance is retiring (again) he is obviously shifting his manhate to Cav who 99.99% of intelligent posters agree had nothing to do with the incident.

 

[fatsprintking]

Precedents for people getting kicked out of the tour?

I know people have been relegated to last place before but actually kicked out?

Maurice Garin did for taking a train, I know that much. Anything more recent?

Tom Steels in 1997 for throwing his bidon at Moncasan during the sprint, classed as "violent behaviour"

 

[roundabout]

Precedents for people getting kicked out of the tour?

I know people have been relegated to last place before but actually kicked out?

Maurice Garin did for taking a train, I know that much. Anything more recent?

Steels for throwing a bottle at Moncassin in about 1997

 

[SirLes]

Tom Steels in 1997 for throwing his bidon at Moncasan during the sprint, classed as "violent behaviour"

I remember the incedent! Didn't remember him getting kicked out though.

Thanks for that.

 

[abbaskip]

...

I think that you have to try and look past your personal loyalties and actually see what is happening in the bigger scheme of things. Which ever way you cut it Renshaw was over the top with his head throwing antics and it is a really bad look. For the record I love the guy, but he was way over the top with what he did and this needs to be acted on.

This is about the best post in agreeance with the punishment that I've read. However, I would raise the points of consistency in punishments, and does the punishment fit the crime? When was the last time someone was thrown out of the tour, for something apart from drugs? Tom Steels with the famous bottle incident?? This is nowhere near that level. This is a general irregular sprinting charge. Fine, and relegation. I understand that relegation isn't much of a punishment for Renshaw, but DQ from the whole race is way over the top.

 

[abbaskip]

As someone who has got drunk and tried to pick up Renshaw's sister, I can confirm that he is quite a nice guy. However in this case I really think that the officials got it right and this is a good summation of what happened
HTC played with fire and got burned. The rule of sprinting is "you do what you can get away with" This time they didnt get away with it.

Which sister? He has two

I think the officials got it right that Renshaw did something wrong...But not nearly something so big, that he is the first guy in the last ten years to be kicked out of the race?

 

[abbaskip]

Precedents for people getting kicked out of the tour?

I know people have been relegated to last place before but actually kicked out?

Maurice Garin did for taking a train, I know that much. Anything more recent?

This is my big point (read last two posts, I only just got to this one).

Tom Steels throwing his bottle in 97, is the last time I can remember.

Are we saying that Renshaw's sprint was the WORST in the past 13 years? All things considered (Dean's position, barriers etc) it's probably not even top 10.

EDIT: Sorry for the quad post, was replying and quoting four separate posts.

 

[Pharazon]

love what Renshaw said to tour to the offical site.. seems this HTC / Garmin rilivary just won't quit... nor should it

 

[53 x 11]

Which sister? He has two

from where I was I would say the hot one. I should point out that I got absolutely, positively, nowhere

 

[abbaskip]

from where I was I would say the hot one. I should point out that I got absolutely, positively, nowhere

Haha, well I'm not going to mention names...for two reasons. I don't think that's fair on the girls, and I don't want to say which one is "the hot one"...the other might not like that!

 

[fatsprintking]

Have a close look at the last head throw. What would we be saying if this had of connected and caused a crash?

Steels didnt cause a crash. In fact watch the video and the unbelievable bike handling of a bloke who can collect his bidon and throw it without seeming to put anyone in any great danger. He was disqualified because of the potential impact of his actions - the same as Renshaw.

I have used my head before and it is no issue when you using it to create some space in an assertive manner, and yes this happens all the time. But I, and it would appear the comms, feel that Mark's behaviour crossed the line into that which is violent, hence the penalty.

 

[sublimit]

Tom Steels in 1997 for throwing his bidon at Moncasan during the sprint, classed as "violent behaviour"

It was great bike handling by Steels as he was going near enough full bore and riding one handed at 70 kph, still throwing the bottle and not looking like crashing at any time.. classic stuff.

 

[abbaskip]

It was great bike handling by Steels as he was going near enough full bore and riding one handed at 70 kph, still throwing the bottle and not looking like crashing at any time.. classic stuff.

Steels, like Renshaw, came from a track (and short distance track, both had a 1km time trial speciality in U19s), so both are gun bike handlers...

But I can't believe the incidents are being viewed as even comparable.

 

[abbaskip]

Have a close look at the last head throw. What would we be saying if this had of connected and caused a crash?

Steels didnt cause a crash. In fact watch the video and the unbelievable bike handling of a bloke who can collect his bidon and throw it without seeming to put anyone in any great danger. He was disqualified because of the potential impact of his actions - the same as Renshaw.

I have used my head before and it is no issue when you using it to create some space in an assertive manner, and yes this happens all the time. But I, and it would appear the comms, feel that Mark's behaviour crossed the line into that which is violent, hence the penalty.

When have you EVER seen a headbutt lead to a crash on the road? Generally, if there is crashes, and headbutts, there was going to be crashes without the headbutts (and the headbutt was used to try and prevent it)...(read my above post about headbutting, I've said all of this)