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Echoes said:You DO believe in fairy tales. I believe facts, man.
Look I don't like bullies like you. You evidently don't have enough culture to be able to discuss with me. You don't have the historical knowledge either. The worst thing is that you are not even reading any of my posts otherwise you'd know that ONLY the secularists/atheists think that their truth is superior, which means you. That is what history teaches us.
Wars of the Vendée: ATHEISTS
Napoleonic Wars: ATHEISTS
Conquest of the West/Amerindian Genocide: SECULARISTS
Scramble for Africa/Colonisation: SECULARISTS
Bolshevik Revolution: ATHEISTS
Cristeros War: ATHEISTS
Second World War: SECULARISTS
Maoist Revolution : ATHEISTS
Cambodgian Genocide: ATHEISTS
Is that enough or should I put some more of them in the mix?
frenchfry said:Personally I find that statements starting with "they all" aren't very productive when discussing religion. This applys to all sides of the discussion.
Echoes said:And then, finally, in the Koran, the Prophet Muhammad - Peace be upon him - never ordered any killing of infidels unless in case of self-defence/when attacked upon. NEVER EVER EVER! Again a massive atheistic lie. Not only is this order inexistant, but the opposite order is true. He commanded to never kill them unless in self-defence. Read the Koran before spreading such crap lies.
Merckx index said:I don't disagree with Foxxy ...
Merckx index said:... that there are many passages in the Koran that are evidence of barbarism, I'm just not sure how he came up with many that are on his list.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:Some more infos to those who personally attacked me (the messenger only):
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-gaz...rs-chant-gas-jews-anti-israel-rallies-1457714
"Berlin authorities have ordered pro-Gaza demonstrators to stop chanting anti-semitic messages, after protesters were reportedly heard shouting 'Gas the Jews'."
"Imam calling for the obliteration of Jews, telling his followers to "kill them to the very last one""
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Have a nice day, but next time attack those who are really xenophobic and demagogic. Thanks in advance.
P.S.: Still waiting for your apologies...
ray j willings said:Statistics play an important role in genetics. For instance, statistics prove that numbers of offspring is an inherited trait. If your parent didn't have any kids, odds are you won't either
Hugh Januss said:OK I give, clearly you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. Have fun out there, little storm trooper.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:All right. I give up. Stay ignorant, and personally insult messengers instead.
My point is crystal clear: Religions are bad. A lot of killing in the name of them over thousands of years.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:Good for you coming to the conclusion that the islam is a peaceful religion after reading two suras and twiswting it to your liking.
Echoes said:...
An atheist once told me: "I'd rather be a coward than a dead man." Food for thought!
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The Hitch said:Not in a million years.
You claim that half the forum are worse than rapists and deserve to burn in hell for the next 60 billion zillion years, because they were born into families that don't follow whatever wackjob baptist church it is you believe possesses the sole truth of the whole universe.
You said little children deserve to get hurt and die becuase they are "born in sin".
Saying religion poisons everything is worse than that? lol.
PS the title for the book was chosen by the publisher.
Echoes said:"To be involved in this (Iraq War), frankly, just makes me happy."
Do you, folks, even beware of whom you are quoting? It's appalling.
Jspear said:You seem to think that believers are just "lucky" that they are going to heaven. It's a choice that individuals have to make - what I mean is that those who don't go to heaven have only themselves to blame.
Religion poisons everything? You do realize that is just as "offensive" as anything I have said. Christianity has done SO much when it comes to helping the poor, third world countries, relief after natural disasters....I'm not personally offended...I'm quite used to being the "minority" when it comes to these discussions...just thought I'd point out that the strong statements run both ways.
Tom T. said:Hitchens was not one who could be pigeonholed into one ideology or another. I completely disagreed with his stance on Iraq, but that's not what we're talking about here. Using it as an attempt to discredit his work on religion is weak.
The Hitch said:Since when is that a legitimate argument?
Why not extend it to god itself? Most of the world believes in god therefore he must be real too. Because if the rest of the world believes something then the minority who doesn't must automatically be wrong.
Right?
Tom T. said:I'm sorry if that statement offends you but the facts support it. Yes, religion has done some good things in terms of helping the poor and such, but the bad far outweighs the good. In fact, I would argue that 3rd world countries would be infinitely better off had they never heard of religion.
Echoes said:It does discredit him totally. I'd never use a warmongerer as intellectual reference whatever he otherwise says. At least, some here openly admitted that they advocated for this dirty war...
Besides, he worked for Vanity Fair. Doesn't discredit him? One of the crappest tabloids one can think of, owned by one of the biggest Jewish business magnates in America: Si Newhouse. Oh the book that you seem to be love was published by the Lagardère Group. The publisher decided over the title, apparently. Whocan trust an author writing for Lagardère?
Jspear said:Evils have been done in the name of religion. I would never defend what they did. I would call them out on it. If they followed the bible at all they would never have done what they did. 3rd world countries have benefited from Christianity specifically and are better off with it (as is any society.) The bad you see that "outweighs" the good is because they weren't/aren't following what scripture tells us to do. The problem isn't religion but people who misinterpret and abuse.
Jspear said:Evils have been done in the name of religion. I would never defend what they did. I would call them out on it. If they followed the bible at all they would never have done what they did. 3rd world countries have benefited from Christianity specifically and are better off with it (as is any society.) The bad you see that "outweighs" the good is because they weren't/aren't following what scripture tells us to do. The problem isn't religion but people who misinterpret and abuse.
Tom T. said:We won't agree on anything, obviously, but I have a couple questions for you. Do you think it's possible to lead a good, decent and moral life without believing in god and practicing a religion? Do you think that not following scripture automatically leads to doing bad things?