Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[Cobblestones]

Even if he did say it, without anything else by way of proof, could a charge be stuck on him?

WADA should get hold of the dialysis machine and run a test for plasticizer metabolites Could be fun.

 

[davidw]

if so, his chances shouldn't be bad, isn't there something like "medical confidentiality" in Italy?

That's a good point. Do keep in mind this is the same country that tried to turn doctors into informers against illegal immigrants, though...

 

[Christian]

if so, his chances shouldn't be bad, isn't there something like "medical confidentiality" in Italy?

Yes that is a good point. Wouldn't the doctor be prohibited from telling anyone about the blood transfusion, even if Ricco admitted it to him?

 

[DAOTEC]

usual Tweets

Hunter: So its out about Ricco! I'd like some how for the Italians on a federal level stick his **** in Jail!!

How can a person like this ever show his face in public again!!!

R. Vandevelde: Sorry ricco your time has run out! At the end al you cheats wil get done! One by one!

Henderson: Catchya Ricco. You'll be missed. Like a hole in the head.

Quinziato: Goodbye Riccardo! We won't miss you!

C. Vande Velde: Good bike practice today in Mallorca. Very happy with the form and the the team. However, I just read about Ricco. #speechless #goodriddance

Pinotti: Beware of who says "I'm a new man", at his convenience

Wagner: this ricco guy = biggest f++kknob ever..

 

[thehog]

Even if he did say it, without anything else by way of proof, could a charge be stuck on him?

Ricco has no credibility. He's lied before and tested positive. I wouldn't put an ounce of trust in his admission of a blood transfusion.

 

[BotanyBay]

Yes that is a good point. Wouldn't the doctor be prohibited from telling anyone about the blood transfusion, even if Ricco admitted it to him?

Depends on the laws of that country and the wishes of the patient and (or) family.

 

[TRDean]

Hunter: So its out about Ricco! I'd like some how for the Italians on a federal level stick his **** in Jail!!

How can a person like this ever show his face in public again!!!

R. Vandevelde: Sorry ricco your time has run out! At the end al you cheats wil get done! One by one!

Henderson: Catchya Ricco. You'll be missed. Like a hole in the head.

Quinziato: Goodbye Riccardo! We won't miss you!

C. Vande Velde: Good bike practice today in Mallorca. Very happy with the form and the the team. However, I just read about Ricco. #speechless #goodriddance

Pinotti: Beware of who says "I'm a new man", at his convenience

Wagner: this ricco guy = biggest f++kknob ever..

simon geschke: get well soon Ricardo Ricco. Hope i never have to see you again in a race. #loseroftheday

 

[hrotha]

Yes that is a good point. Wouldn't the doctor be prohibited from telling anyone about the blood transfusion, even if Ricco admitted it to him?

We've gone over this. Doping is illegal in Italy, the doctor was probably required to cooperate, and although I've never studied Italian I think I understand enough of this...

Il sostituto procuratore Pasquale Mazzei ha messo agli atti il referto trasmesso dal medico dell'Ospedale di Pavullo che domenica mattina ha prestato la prima assistenza a Riccò, presentatosi al pronto soccorso in condizioni critiche, tanto da consigliare il trasferimento d'urgenza all'Ospedale di Baggiovara (Modena). Secondo la testimonianza del medico, il corridore modenese - che versava in stato di choc - ha riferito, "in presenza della moglie" (in realtà la fidanzata Vania Rossi, n.d.r.) di "aver fatto da solo un'autotrasfusione di sangue che conservava nel frigo di casa da 25 giorni" temendo "per la cattiva conservazione del sangue che si era iniettato nuovamente".

...to conclude that Riccò's words were included in the doctor's report, and that this report is what the district attorney Pasquale Mazzei got. Contrary to what some of us thought at first, there's no reason to think the doctor leaked this info to the Gazzetta himself.

 

[thehog]

We've gone over this. Doping is illegal in Italy, the doctor was probably required to cooperate, and although I've never studied Italian I think I understand enough of this...

...to conclude that Riccò's words were included in the doctor's report, and that this report is what the district attorney Pasquale Mazzei got. Contrary to what some of us thought at first, there's no reason to think the doctor leaked this info himself.

There's reports coming of Italy now that he used the wrong bag. ie he used someone elses blood. Whether its his girlfriends blood or another cyclist is yet to be determined. The medical team can easily report there is a foreign blood type in his system. Even if the admission is inadmissible a blood test will reveal all.

 

[Barrus]

Depends on the laws of that country and the wishes of the patient and (or) family.

In most western states and European states in particular (seeing as this concerns an European state) there are provisions that relieve a doctor of their adherence of the confidentiality agreement in the case of criminal conduct, likely criminal conduct or other conduct that might be harmful for themselves or others. In certain situations and certain states there is even an obligation to report such conduct to the authorities.

The thing I am a bit conflicted about is the fact that the public prosecutor has made this confidential and medical information public and positioned it in the public eye and this could well be grounds for a case of Ricco against the Italian prosecutors office for infringement upon his privacy

 

[hfer07]

I just have a question:
Does exist "doping addition" at professional level in cycling? Ricco appears to me like he just cannot function properly without dope-and I have to say too-whoever was couching him on the blood transfusion must have been an idiot- perhaps was himself doing it without proper care-- at this point the sport is hitting rock bottom with clowns like him-- but wait- he might get a free pass & come back next year..

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm shocked that Cavendish has not tweeted about this incident yet.

 

[BotanyBay]

In most western states and European states in particular (seeing as this concerns an European state) there are provisions that relieve a doctor of their adherence of the confidentiality agreement in the case of criminal conduct, likely criminal conduct or other conduct that might be harmful for themselves or others. In certain situations and certain states there is even an obligation to report such conduct to the authorities.

The thing I am a bit conflicted about is the fact that the public prosecutor has made this confidential and medical information public and positioned it in the public eye and this could well be grounds for a case of Ricco against the Italian prosecutors office for infringement upon his privacy

In the USA, we're not usually charged with a crime for our "state of being" in a hospital (IE, being drunk, on drugs, etc). If the doctor discovers evidence of a crime being committed during hospitalization (or during medical history), he or she is required to report that to authorities. But they are not allowed to comment on one's medical condition unless they have been allowed by the patient to do so, even if they are being charged with criminal behavior.

If this came out via a prosecutor's announcement, then wow, they waste no time in Italy. That kind of info would take a while here.

Bb

 

[WonderLance]

Yeah, I'm so glad he's got hurt, he deserves it. he tried to cheat all those clean cyclists like Wiggains and Armstong out of wins that they deserved and now Karma has bitten him in the ***. I say good riddence, perhaps clean riders like Andrew Shleck can now get some wins on the board as the playing field will be level.

Im glad he's not racing he was never any good to watch anyway, hardly ever attacking or doing interesting riding stuff like Andrew does.

 

[Havetts]

Hey where did WonderLance's post go . Was quite 'entertaining'.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Remember when a clean-as-a-whistle Contador hopped over from the beach to ride the Giro and beat a doped-up Ricco?

Good times.

 

[spalco]

Even if he did say it, without anything else by way of proof, could a charge be stuck on him?

Yes, as far as I know a confession is sufficient proof for a doping ban.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

I just have a question:
Does exist "doping addition" at professional level in cycling? Ricco appears to me like he just cannot function properly without dope-and I have to say too-whoever was couching him on the blood transfusion must have been an idiot- perhaps was himself doing it without proper care-- at this point the sport is hitting rock bottom with clowns like him-- but wait- he might get a free pass & come back next year..

I seem to remember something similar about Richard Verenque in Willy Voet's book - he promised Richard some "good stuff", and just injected saline water - Virenque rode like a demon and told Voet that the stuff really worked.....placebo effect!

 

[Havetts]

I seem to remember something similar about Richard Verenque in Willy Voet's book - he promised Richard some "good stuff", and just injected saline water - Virenque rode like a demon and told Voet that the stuff really worked.....placebo effect!

Really?

But I suppose an addiction could start to exist after alot of doping practicions(sp.?)

 

[Barrus]

Hey where did WonderLance's post go . Was quite 'entertaining'.

AS I said no Armstrong stuff in this thread, only perhaps when he responds to the situation, otherwise keep the Armstrong debate in Armstrong threads, because wonderlance did not do so, he will be banned for the next 24 hours

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

More good times. Remember when ol' Andy Schleck finished 2nd in the Giro in 2007, right behind DiLuca and in front of ol' Eddy Mazzoleni? Ricco finished, well, 7th. I wonder why Ricco would choose to dope with so many clean riders finishing in front of him?

 

[Havetts]

More good times. Remember when ol' Andy Schleck finished 2nd in the Giro in 2007, right behind DiLuca and in front of ol' Eddy Mazzoleni? Ricco finished, well, 7th. I wonder why Ricco would choose to dope with so many clean riders finishing in front of him?

The bitterness .

 

[Mambo95]

I'm shocked that Cavendish has not tweeted about this incident yet.

I'd be shocked if he had. He hasn't tweeted anything for six months.

 

[skidmark]

Didn't Ricco and Pieppoli kill Saunier Duval team?

If he killed his new team it would be classic, dumbass liar.

And it would be a really interesting reverse kind of karma if this incident allowed the former Saunier Duval team into the TdF.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

And it would be a really interesting reverse kind of karma if this incident allowed the former Saunier Duval team into the TdF.

Indeed. What the Tour is really missing is more Mauro Gianetti.