Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[thehog]

But then, why would he allow himself to get so ill and be found by his wife that way, if he had "a guy" doing the medical part for him? I'd be calling at the first sign of it having gone wrong.

Yes because doping doctors are all very happy to take their patients to hospital when things go wrong. I'd say Ricco was left for dead by said Doc or the admin.

 

[rhubroma]

Yes because doping doctors are all very happy to take their patients to hospital when things go wrong. I'd say Ricco was left for dead by said Doc or the admin.

Translated: the rider's in a very good position if all goes as planned. Otherwise, he's f-ed.

 

[Benotti69]

Yes because doping doctors are all very happy to take their patients to hospital when things go wrong. I'd say Ricco was left for dead by said Doc or the admin.

+1, in Italy they don't do compassion in such circumstances.

 

[rhubroma]

+1, in Italy they don't do compassion in such circumstances.

On the other hand if it is proven that Riccò hadn't acted alone, then the accomplice is to be held liable for "near" involuntary manslaughter, professional irresponsibility, assisted doping and whatever else they can throw at him.

Which means loss of medical license a fine and or prison time.

 

[Benotti69]

On the other hand if it is prooven that Riccò hadn't acted alone, then the complice is to be held liable for "near" involunatery manslaughter, professional irresponsibility, assisted doping and whatever else they can throw at him.

Which means loss of medical license a fine and or prison time.

and who is gonna admit to helping Ricco and losing their medical licence

 

[rhubroma]

and who is gonna admit to helping Ricco and losing their medical licence

No one. But if Riccò's career is indeed over, then if I were that medic I'd be on the next plane for Brazil.

 

[Benotti69]

No one. But if Riccò's career is indeed over, then if I were that medic I'd be on the next plane for Brazil.

Absolutely, but the law is not so simple in Italy. they have a very short statute of limitations and cases that take ages to drag through the courts end up being thrown out due to time, hence Berlusocni not being in jail for all his past unlawful business dealings.

But if i was the medic i would not be in Italy at this time.

 

[Barrus]

Ricco is finally out of the hospital. There no longer is any danger for his health:

http://www.nu.nl/sport/2450513/ricco-bijna-twee-weken-ziekenhuis.html

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ricco-released-from-hospital

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Ricco is finally out of the hospital. There no longer is any danger for his health:

http://www.nu.nl/sport/2450513/ricco-bijna-twee-weken-ziekenhuis.html

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ricco-released-from-hospital

NOW we can get back to being derogatory...

 

[rhubroma]

Absolutely, but the law is not so simple in Italy. they have a very short statute of limitations and cases that take ages to drag through the courts end up being thrown out due to time, hence Berlusocni not being in jail for all his past unlawful business dealings.

But if i was the medic i would not be in Italy at this time.

From what I know, the statute of limitations is 6 years. That's just enough time to get used to the favelas.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Glad he didn't lose a kidney, as was initially suspected. He still may not be fully out of the woods though.

Here's to hoping he fully recovers his health, and finds a new career.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

The team just announced that they have fired him.

Susan

 

[Arnout]

The team just announced that they have fired him.

Susan

Nice. UCI complaining about Spanish Government weighing in, now they urged Vacansoleil to fire Ricco regardless what happened (note, it may have been the right decision).

No. difference. at. all.

 

[D-Queued]

The team just announced that they have fired him.

Susan

Wonder how Italian labor law works on the premise of wrongful dismissal?

After all, wasn't he doing 'what he needed to win'? In other words, merely performing a requirement of employment?

On the subject of rules, do Ricco's medical problems provide any substance to the WADA requirement that a doping practice pose a threat to health?

Just asking in case some of the 1984 USOC Cycling team deniers try and say there was nothing wrong with blood doping - as has been done in the past.

Dave.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Wonder how Italian labor law works on the premise of wrongful dismissal?

After all, wasn't he doing 'what he needed to win'? In other words, merely performing a requirement of employment?

On the subject of rules, do Ricco's medical problems provide any substance to the WADA requirement that a doping practice pose a threat to health?

Just asking in case some of the 1984 USOC Cycling team deniers try and say there was nothing wrong with blood doping - as has been done in the past.

Dave.

Hey, cheating's only cheating if someone else is doing it to you.

If you're doing it, then it's 'cutting-edge' preparation...

 

[Barrus]

Wonder how Italian labor law works on the premise of wrongful dismissal?

After all, wasn't he doing 'what he needed to win'? In other words, merely performing a requirement of employment?

The question is however under which labour laws these contracts were formed and what the contract itself stated. Without knowledge of this we have no idea whether there was a case of wrongful dismissal

 

[Escarabajo]

The question is however under which labour laws these contracts were formed and what the contract itself stated. Without knowledge of this we have no idea whether there was a case of wrongful dismissal

I am certain that blood doping wasn't stated in the contract if you know what I mean. Even if management knew what he was doing, once caught he was in trouble.

 

[D-Queued]

I am certain that blood doping wasn't stated in the contract if you know what I mean. Even if management knew what he was doing, once caught he was in trouble.

I'm not an expert in US labor law, but believe that if management creates a climate that encourages, requires or otherwise reinforces it, they are culpable.

e.g. just like sexual harrassment or similar things (and please, let's not debate sexual harrassment...).

In this case, it is implicitly required.

At least that is what I think the labor attorneys are always trying to explain.

Would Ricco really have a contract, if he weren't willing to do what it takes?

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

I am certain that blood doping wasn't stated in the contract if you know what I mean. Even if management knew what he was doing, once caught he was in trouble.

Contract law can be intricate. Maybe the law of the Netherlands permits oral modifications of cycling contracts. Maybe there was an implicit contract modification? An implicit term? All sorts of possibilities that we are not privy to.

On the other hand, I would bet that Ricco got the big ($1,500,000.00) bucks in exchange for some very very tight antidoping contract language. From the little I've read about him, he would take the money figuring that he would never, ever get caught again.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'm not a labor attorney either, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say in this case it's implicitly required.

Though the fact strangely is, he didn't test positive, and in the strictest of sense they fired him without due cause, and he's a victim of a double standard in his profession.

Still, I'm really hoping the guy retires and finds a new career. It would be better for everyone. If he wants to sue the UCI or Vacansoleil, so be it. But I'm sure their attorneys will be ready to play.

 

[Ferminal]

The precedent is Gusev, but I think Ricco will have a much harder time proving his innocence. Vacansoleil probably fired him because they saw something coming from the investigation (or more likely the UCI made the decision for them).

 

[peloton]

Michele posted this on the Ricco comeback thread;

It seems that Riccò wrote on his facebook something like "read the newspaper is like reading gossip magazines - you make me laugh, jounalists ha ha ha the revenge must be served cold".

Sounds like he's a bit lost.

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If this is true, then he really needs help, fast before he kills himself.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Or so deeply entrenched that he can't understand how it's an issue. I think that's how the governors of the sport look on it.

"Cummon, it's bike racing. Aren't you having fun watching?".

 

[biopass]

Michele posted this on the Ricco comeback thread;

It seems that Riccò wrote on his facebook something like "read the newspaper is like reading gossip magazines - you make me laugh, jounalists ha ha ha the revenge must be served cold".

Sounds like he's a bit lost.

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If this is true, then he really needs help, fast before he kills himself.

What did the newspapers say?

 

[Mambo95]

This shows how the Clinic works. Everyone is a doper and should be demonised -let's look at what they've won and who they've ridden for.

But if you're two time proven doper then you're an innocent victim of UCI politics. If they've had their livelihood taken away from them they're a hero. A victim of McQuaid, an easy scapegoat, a devil,for the peloton.

If you buy into this, then you're a moron.