Ricco's Mountain ascents

[thehog]

Eh, the authorities have trouble catching the dopers as it is, but you want them to waste* money trying to rehabilitate those who they actually manage to catch.

* see Pfannberger, Sinkewitz, Di Luca and other serial dopers

I think we've moved beyond the Victorian times forms of justice. It's simply doesn't work.

The goal should be the healthy pursuit of exercise and clean living. Not cutting off, isolating, ostracizing those who were mealy part of a system endemic with doping. All that does it reenforce a the omertà.

Again those more wealthy are at a distinct advantage. Ricco wouldn't have attempted the homemade blood transfusion if there was an education program along with his suspension.

Aren't we beyond pretending that dopers who've been caught are bitter and twisted?

If only we listened to Manzano Pureto wouldn't have needed to happen. Instead the UCI tried to sue him.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I think we've moved beyond the Victorian times forms of justice. It's simply doesn't work.

The goal should be the healthy pursuit of exercise and clean living. Not cutting off, isolating, ostracizing those who were mealy part of a system endemic with doping. All that does it reenforce a the omertà.

Again those more wealthy are at a distinct advantage. Ricco wouldn't have attempted the homemade blood transfusion if there was an education program along with his suspension.

Aren't we beyond pretending that dopers who've been caught are bitter and twisted?

If only we listened to Manzano Pureto wouldn't have needed to happen. Instead the UCI tried to sue him.

Are you a true socialist? Genuine question.

 

[Merckx index]

Good signs. Almost 15% slower than Mayo.

On the off chance you weren't being sarcastic, I'll point out he was less than 5% slower than Mayo. And top 15 all time.

1. 2004: 55m:51s Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56m:26s Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56m:50s Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56m:54s Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57m:33s Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57m:34s Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57m:34s Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57m:39s Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57m:42s Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57m:49s Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57m:52s Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58m:14s Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58m:15s Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 2014: 58m:17s Ricardo Ricco 22.14 km/h
15. 1999: 58m:31s David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
16. 2004: 58m:35s José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
17. 2009: 58m:45s Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58m:45s Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
19. 2009: 58m:48s Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
20. 2009: 58m:50s Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
21. 1999: 58m:51s Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
22. 2009: 58m:53s Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
23. 2002: 59m:00s Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
24. 2013: 59m:00s Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
25. 1994: 59m:02s Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h
26. 1994: 59m:02s Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h

On the subject of rehabbing dopers, the problem as I see it is that as long as other riders are getting away with it, there isn't much motivation for the caught rider to want to reform. If you want to teach a rider to dope more safely, well, that involves legalizing doping first.

If Ricco wanted to make a substantial contribution to anti-doping, he could volunteer for one of those studies determining the effects of EPO and blood doping on performance. You know, those studies that have so much trouble testing elite riders, because of course they aren’t supposed to be doping. The only problem Ricco might have with this is the control portion of the study when you ride clean for comparison.

 

[The Hitch]

Damn, only 20- 30 seconds off a doped albeit not yet top shape Armstrong

Mayo's time is just unreal though. Maybe even more impressive than Heras Angliru.

 

[roundabout]

I think we've moved beyond the Victorian times forms of justice. It's simply doesn't work.

The goal should be the healthy pursuit of exercise and clean living. Not cutting off, isolating, ostracizing those who were mealy part of a system endemic with doping. All that does it reenforce a the omertà.

Again those more wealthy are at a distinct advantage. Ricco wouldn't have attempted the homemade blood transfusion if there was an education program along with his suspension.

Aren't we beyond pretending that dopers who've been caught are bitter and twisted?

If only we listened to Manzano Pureto wouldn't have needed to happen. Instead the UCI tried to sue him.

1. That's not the point I was making.

2. At least one of the guys I listed would have likely attended all the education programs and still doped anyway.

 

[Le breton]

Damn, only 20- 30 seconds off a doped albeit not yet top shape Armstrong

Mayo's time is just unreal though. Maybe even more impressive than Heras Angliru.

Not that unreal in fact. At the time, the morning before, I had posted on a well-known forum my prediction that he would win with a time about 1 mn faster : I had expected 55 mn. ( It's what I expected from the effect of the state-of-the-art doping on the most in shape guys in 2004 - it happened to be Mayo at the time)

Anyway, Ricco is only 14 s. faster than quite young Moncoutié (1999)
23 s. faster than Herrera (1987, who later that year did 40:50 on AdH)
and
9 seconds slower than Jeff who had started in Carpentras.

I guess he has just proved that he is not a top cyclist. Presumably he would not have tried to break the record if he had not felt up to it.
On the same Ferrari programme as those guys, it's quite likely that Moncoutié would have done better than Mayo, and Bahamontès even better than Moncoucou (unless they have a high natural Hct)

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Not that unreal in fact. At the time, the morning before, I had posted on a well-known forum my prediction that he would win with a time about 1 mn faster : I had expected 55 mn. ( It's what I expected from the effect of the state-of-the-art doping on the most in shape guys in 2004 - it happened to be Mayo at the time)

Anyway, Ricco is only 14 s. faster than quite young Moncoutié (1999)
23 s. faster than Herrera (1987, who later that year did 40:50 on AdH)
and
9 seconds slower than Jeff who had started in Carpentras.

I guess he has just proved that he is not a top cyclist. Presumably he would not have tried to break the record if he had not felt up to it.
On the same Ferrari programme as those guys, it's quite likely that Moncoutié would have done better than Mayo, and Bahamontès even better than Moncoucou (unless they have a high natural Hct)

training on his own, no trainers/ dietitian to help him. No races to get racing legs.
On a pro team, with all the benefits that comes with it he would have done better.

 

[angelofthehills]

training on his own, no trainers/ dietitian to help him. No races to get racing legs.

And possibly clean. I'm assuming, because of the McDonalds fiasco, he didn't have a supply of juice and is wary of being scrutinized. I think that's why he went about the climbing attempt somewhat quietly -- he's not juiced and he knew he wouldn't break the Mayo record. Glad he did well just the same.

Say what you will about Ricco, but the guy's got discipline & drive, training 4 hours a day for who knows whatever goals he sets for himself in his head, keeping his weight down to racing weight. Re his mental health, he strikes me as being happier in exile than Armstrong is.

 

[blackcat]

Ricco is the boss


let them dope, and eat cake


lionel marie

 

[blackcat]

Not that unreal in fact. At the time, the morning before, I had posted on a well-known forum my prediction that he would win with a time about 1 mn faster : I had expected 55 mn. ( It's what I expected from the effect of the state-of-the-art doping on the most in shape guys in 2004 - it happened to be Mayo at the time)

Anyway, Ricco is only 14 s. faster than quite young Moncoutié (1999)
23 s. faster than Herrera (1987, who later that year did 40:50 on AdH)
and
9 seconds slower than Jeff who had started in Carpentras.

I guess he has just proved that he is not a top cyclist. Presumably he would not have tried to break the record if he had not felt up to it.
On the same Ferrari programme as those guys, it's quite likely that Moncoutié would have done better than Mayo, and Bahamontès even better than Moncoucou (unless they have a high natural Hct)

who said Moncoutie was clean?

 

[climber_corbin]

No-one has said Moncoutie was clean, but it's fairly common knowledge that he was one of the pan y agua riders who wouldn't even touch supplements.

 

[blackcat]

No-one has said Moncoutie was clean, but it's fairly common knowledge that he was one of the pan y agua riders who wouldn't even touch supplements.

this popular consensus is bor$hit in my unhumble opinion.

bor$hit. scatology. more bor$hit.

remember what millar said about that cofidis rider philippe gaumont. cyclists lie. it is convenient to talk about bernie kohl being so tired on climbs he must be clean. And Evans performances being realistic.

I dont believe in Moncoutie. you can tho. like george W bush said, fooled me one, fooled me twice, cant get fooled again even tho i went to yale with milch and studied at phillips exeter tho i am an idjit texan and i have mangled the anecdote

 

[May0maniac]

And possibly clean. I'm assuming, because of the McDonalds fiasco, he didn't have a supply of juice and is wary of being scrutinized. I think that's why he went about the climbing attempt somewhat quietly -- he's not juiced and he knew he wouldn't break the Mayo record. Glad he did well just the same.

Say what you will about Ricco, but the guy's got discipline & drive, training 4 hours a day for who knows whatever goals he sets for himself in his head, keeping his weight down to racing weight. Re his mental health, he strikes me as being happier in exile than Armstrong is.

And you also have to consider the fact that Ricco himself said that he was a few kilos to heavy
he clearly looks more muscular than before https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10373787_719715088075232_3021980644394237216_n.jpg?oh=619f7b499229ffad2928d78bc89e8e82&oe=54492C2B

 

[jens_attacks]

nonetheless, i think riccardo can't beat this record. and alpe d'huez is untouchable too. with all the preparation and training he can choose, he won't make it. well at least he finds reasons to train hard which is good

 

[Le breton]

who said Moncoutie was clean?

Everything in his career bears testimony to the fact that he was clean.

Among French pros I believe were clean throughout their career, I would put right behind Delion and Bassons and well ahead of Mottet (who unfortunately seems to have had to close his eyes on certain things to keep his job for the Dauphiné Libéré).
So, yes, I say Moncoutié is clean.

 

[Red Rick]

Im a bit surprised that he's actually doing all this stuff. Does he have a job or did he make enough money to get by during his career?

It doesn't seem like he's getting anywhere, but he seems to be happy enough riding recreationally and being with his family. He seems a bit antisocial, which I think is why he kind of became the face of post 2005 doping. He does show more respect to his former competitors than he used to do when he was still competing

I don't think he's gonna drug himself to death, he was never the hero VDB or Pantani was. He could do with some life coaching though

 

[Le breton]

nonetheless, i think riccardo can't beat this record. and alpe d'huez is untouchable too. with all the preparation and training he can choose, he won't make it. well at least he finds reasons to train hard which is good

On the subject of that Mayo 2004 TT, I had noted the times at St-Esteve (km 5.7) for a number of riders as they were posted on the dauphiné libéré website : I was at work and glancing at my screen from time to time.

If you are interested let me know.

 

[angelofthehills]

And you also have to consider the fact that Ricco himself said that he was a few kilos to heavy
he clearly looks more muscular than before

OK, in a Doper-In-Exile smackdown, who wins? :

or

 

[the sceptic]

http://solowattaggio.blogspot.com/2...l-sainte-baume.html?showComment=1411649885703

Still got it!

SRM a confermarlo: 406 watt spinti di media per una ventina di minuti, i quali rapportati al suo peso di 58kg danno un valore di 7 watt/kg.

 

[blackcat]

Im a bit surprised that he's actually doing all this stuff. Does he have a job or did he make enough money to get by during his career?

It doesn't seem like he's getting anywhere, but he seems to be happy enough riding recreationally and being with his family. He seems a bit antisocial, which I think is why he kind of became the face of post 2005 doping. He does show more respect to his former competitors than he used to do when he was still competing

I don't think he's gonna drug himself to death, he was never the hero VDB or Pantani was. He could do with some life coaching though

i luv'ed ricky riccio

 

[jens_attacks]

and he won't be allowed in giro next year damn. he would be a great rival for alberto

hopefully we gonna have video for ventoux try

 

[BYOP88]

and he won't be allowed in giro next year damn. he would be a great rival for alberto

hopefully we gonna have video for ventoux try

The fans deserve a 2008 rematch.

 

[jens_attacks]

look how skinny the guy is:

 

[Ricco']

He isn't suspended according to UCI (his name don't show up in the lists that are updated in their website) so he can put Dawg in his place next July.

Someone tweet Tinkov about this, would love to see Baron Oleg with the Cobra.

 

[blackcat]

^^^genius^^^