Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[SyroboiII]

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Porte going to drop Contador like a stone.

Fixed that for you. He is going to have déjà vus of the Tour 2013, just with a even better rider. Porte was always more talented than Froome. Better bike handler, better downhill, better in rain and bad weather, better on cobbles, better in the rolling hills, more focused, better style overall. Not just a power-monster like Froome.

Before, you guys were laughing when when I told you that Porte would drop Contador with ease. Now you are starting to take him seriously. The only rider who can beat Porte is Aru, but he seems to be a monitored man.

 

[LaFlorecita]

WTF

 

[SyroboiII]

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WTF

Are you starting to shake?

 

[Mongolian Torque]

Porte is not going to beat Contador. Period.

Porte has bad days and when they are bad, they are BAD. And over a GT like the Giro, all he needs is a famous Porte Bad Day and it is OVER.

Porte and the rest of Sky can win their pukey little 5 day races, but the GT's are for Froomies (although I doubt he'll ever come back), Contadork, Quintana, Aru and maybe Nibs. Everyone else seems to be racing for minor placings.

My 3 pounds are on Contador... still has the guile...

 

[Singer01]

Richie added another win today,looking good for Il Giro,i hope he''ll keep the momentum.

More likely Richie is outside chance of podium if he doesn't lose 20 minutes on one stage.

outside chance? who you got on the podium? I've got contador obviously, porte then uran (both porte and uran put proper time into aru in that tt).

 

[DBotero]

Now after he added Giro del Trentino to his wins,time for Richie to show he can do it in a GT too.I'm confident he can podium,beating Contador will be hard,but a podium place is within his grasp.

 

[Dedelou]

Now after he added Giro del Trentino to his wins,time for Richie to show he can do it in a GT too.I'm confident he can podium,beating Contador will be hard,but a podium place is within his grasp.

Miracles do happen.. sometimes... but what happened to the "popping veins?"

 

[Ruudz0r]

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Porte is not going to beat Contador. Period.

Porte has bad days and when they are bad, they are BAD. And over a GT like the Giro, all he needs is a famous Porte Bad Day and it is OVER.

Porte and the rest of Sky can win their pukey little 5 day races, but the GT's are for Froomies (although I doubt he'll ever come back), Contadork, Quintana, Aru and maybe Nibs. Everyone else seems to be racing for minor placings.

My 3 pounds are on Contador... still has the guile...

He had 1 terrible day in the 2013 TdF, the bad day thing here is really over used, yes he has still everything to proof in a GT but a bad day is certainly not a certainty.

 

[Cookster15]

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He had 1 terrible day in the 2013 TdF, the bad day thing here is really over used, yes he has still everything to proof in a GT but a bad day is certainly not a certainty.

Exactly. Plus all the AC fans have betrayed their fear of Richie by commenting so much about him - on the Contador thread . Richie would seem to be better form than 2013 - when in the TdF he caught then easily dispatched Quitana on AX-3 Domains and had to wait for captain Froome on the 2nd ascent of the Alpe on the 18th stage. Its game on.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Porte will be brutal in the Giro. Lean mean machine.

 

[Jelantik]

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He had 1 terrible day in the 2013 TdF, the bad day thing here is really over used, yes he has still everything to proof in a GT but a bad day is certainly not a certainty.

Exactly. Plus all the AC fans have betrayed their fear of Richie by commenting so much about him - on the Contador thread . Richie would seem to be better form than 2013 - when in the TdF he caught then easily dispatched Quitana on AX-3 Domains and had to wait for captain Froome on the 2nd ascent of the Alpe on the 18th stage. Its game on.

not fear. I think it's realistic to think that Porte is a serious challenger judging by his performance so far. It's fact. And on the other hand, we haven't seen Contador flying that high up until his last race. Of course the comparison is a loop sided.

I just think that there's so much hyped about Porte now because he has an excellent perfomance so far. Before we are talking about him overhauling Froomey, there's no guarentee that he can repeat that next year. Wiggin and Froome are the example of having a perfect season in one year, and come back to earth the next year.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Porte will be brutal in the Giro. Lean mean machine.

He'll be battling it out with Uran, Aru and Pozzovivo with Contador 1 minute further up the road.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Re: Re:

He had 1 terrible day in the 2013 TdF, the bad day thing here is really over used, yes he has still everything to proof in a GT but a bad day is certainly not a certainty.

Exactly. Plus all the AC fans have betrayed their fear of Richie by commenting so much about him - on the Contador thread . Richie would seem to be better form than 2013 - when in the TdF he caught then easily dispatched Quitana on AX-3 Domains and had to wait for captain Froome on the 2nd ascent of the Alpe on the 18th stage. Its game on.

not fear. I think it's realistic to think that Porte is a serious challenger judging by his performance so far. It's fact. And on the other hand, we haven't seen Contador flying that high up until his last race. Of course the comparison is a loop sided.

I just think that there's so much hyped about Porte now because he has an excellent perfomance so far. Before we are talking about him overhauling Froomey, there's no guarentee that he can repeat that next year. Wiggin and Froome are the example of having a perfect season in one year, and come back to earth the next year.

There is no hype about Porte this year, but we do have results.

The boy is leading the world tour I think.

 

[SkyTears]

This is the year when Sky wins all 3 GT's

Porte
Froome
Henao or Froome

Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated

 

[LaFlorecita]

This is the year when Sky wins all 3 GT's

Porte
Froome
Henao or Froome

Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated

Hmm, I think it's way more likely they'll win 0

 

[Pricey_sky]

This is the year when Sky wins all 3 GT's

Porte
Froome
Henao or Froome

Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated

Hmm, I think it's way more likely they'll win 0

I agree, no chance sky wins all 3. Porte may podium at the Giro if he avoids his bad day, Froome is obviously the best chance at the Tour. No way Froome would ride the Vuelta and I think Henao and Nieve will ride for stage wins there.

 

[dastott]

Going to be a big ask to beat Contador but Porte and Uran might well gain time in the TT and try to hold it in the mountains. Going to be fascinating.

 

[movingtarget]

Can't see Porte winning the Giro. One week form means nothing in GTs as we have seen in the past. What I think will happen is a much improved GT from Porte and a possible podium. The long TT will be important to all of the favourites especially Uran who seems to have lost a little on the hard climbs since improving his TT. I think Porte will finish ahead of Konig but he has to get through without an off day which is the key for any GT rider who wants a high GC finish. Having Konig in the team will probably help take the pressure off him a little.

 

[dastott]

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Can't see Porte winning the Giro. One week form means nothing in GTs as we have seen in the past.

Well, Froome and Wiggins started winning 1 week races before winning a Grand Tour. Quintana also. I wouldn't say it means nothing. In fact, it's the only indicator we have of a rider's form this season.

 

[Dedelou]

We are about to find out for sure if little richie is up for the big game. Alberto and him have known each other for a while.. and now both have shared the same coaches at one point or another.. There is no doubts that Porte is in form, the early season wins are here to prove it. Now the test is to be able to sustain that form over time and against tough competition. I understand that part of the Sky strategy is to have Porte give Contador a hard race no matter what happened in the end as the harder it gets in the Giro the better for Sky later in the tour de france

 

[SeriousSam]

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Can't see Porte winning the Giro. One week form means nothing in GTs as we have seen in the past.

What we have actually seen in the past is that winning one week stage races and doing well in them in general, correlates with doing well in GTs. Which is of course not a surprise at all.

 

[ray j willings]

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Can't see Porte winning the Giro. One week form means nothing in GTs as we have seen in the past.

What we have actually seen in the past is that winning one week stage races and doing well in them in general, correlates with doing well in GTs. Which is of course not a surprise at all.

Depends who won the one week stage race, If it was Froome ,Bertie, Quintana, Evans, yes I agree.
Porte No chance.

 

[Carols]

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We are about to find out for sure if little richie is up for the big game. Alberto and him have known each other for a while.. and now both have shared the same coaches at one point or another.. There is no doubts that Porte is in form, the early season wins are here to prove it. Now the test is to be able to sustain that form over time and against tough competition. I understand that part of the Sky strategy is to have Porte give Contador a hard race no matter what happened in the end as the harder it gets in the Giro the better for Sky later in the tour de france

It's a good strategy. Even if Porte blows up late he can use up Alberto's reserves and make it easier for Froome in July. Then Nibali wins

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Can't see Porte winning the Giro. One week form means nothing in GTs as we have seen in the past.

What we have actually seen in the past is that winning one week stage races and doing well in them in general, correlates with doing well in GTs. Which is of course not a surprise at all.

In that case Talansky, Rodriguez, Porte, Gerrans, Leipheimer, TJVG, Rogers, Meyer, Bobridge, Dennis, Van De Velde, Slagter, Cancellara and many others should have won GTs which they haven't. Only Rodriguez and and Leipheimer made podiums. Plenty of riders can do well over a week but not many can win over three weeks. Porte has always been strong in one week races but has not finished higher than seventh in any of his GTs. I think he can do better but I doubt he can win. Winning is always good and Porte is winning but he has not shown he has the ability to win a GT. I think he can podium at best.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Can't see Porte winning the Giro. One week form means nothing in GTs as we have seen in the past.

What we have actually seen in the past is that winning one week stage races and doing well in them in general, correlates with doing well in GTs. Which is of course not a surprise at all.

In that case Talansky, Rodriguez, Porte, Gerrans, Leipheimer, TJVG, Rogers, Meyer, Bobridge, Dennis, Van De Velde, Slagter, Cancellara and many others should have won GTs which they haven't.

No. Take all riders in the last 5 years. Look at their performances in shorter stage races. Look at their performances in 3 week stage races. You'll find that on average that did well in shorter stage races also did better in 3 week stage races. In other words, it's not the case that it "means nothing". It means something.

You could do a similar excercise for riders that were dog *** up to a 3 week race and riders that had blistering form shortly before the 3 week race.

Porte has a better chance to win the Giro than Nibali has of winnig th Tour. Maybe even than Contador has of winning the Tour. But he's siginificantly less likely to win the Giro than Contador is.

If Porte had been going like in 2014 up to now, he'd have a much smaller chance. Because he had blistering form his chance is better. The results clearly are indicative, I honestly struggle to understand how anyone could believe otherwise.