Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[wwabbit]

It really doesn't make sense to me for Porte to go to BMC and do exactly the same things he is doing in Team Sky - leading 1 week stage races and Giro, and being super-domestique to van Garderen instead of Froome at the TDF.

Which means either Sky does not want Porte, which is unlikely as Froome surely wants Porte around and Sky isn't going to go against Froome's wishes. Or BMC has guaranteed Porte being outright TDF leader.

 

[Irondan]

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It really doesn't make sense to me for Porte to go to BMC and do exactly the same things he is doing in Team Sky - leading 1 week stage races and Giro, and being super-domestique to van Garderen instead of Froome at the TDF.

Which means either Sky does not want Porte, which is unlikely as Froome surely wants Porte around and Sky isn't going to go against Froome's wishes. Or BMC has guaranteed Porte being outright TDF leader.

I thought that same thing awhile ago but it makes perfect sense.

He got a lot more money to go to BMC. It's that simple obviously. He was given a nice big raise for next year and promised untold riches when BMC, or whoever it is re-signs the sponsorship agreement. imo

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

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It really doesn't make sense to me for Porte to go to BMC and do exactly the same things he is doing in Team Sky - leading 1 week stage races and Giro, and being super-domestique to van Garderen instead of Froome at the TDF.

Which means either Sky does not want Porte, which is unlikely as Froome surely wants Porte around and Sky isn't going to go against Froome's wishes. Or BMC has guaranteed Porte being outright TDF leader.

Except that he is very obviously NOT going to do the Giro.... And he's going to be one of 2 leaders for the Tour, not super domestique.

 

[arvc40]

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It really doesn't make sense to me for Porte to go to BMC and do exactly the same things he is doing in Team Sky - leading 1 week stage races and Giro, and being super-domestique to van Garderen instead of Froome at the TDF.

If Porte gets a good run in Tour, TJVG will be handing him up bottles by 3rd week.

Which means either Sky does not want Porte, which is unlikely as Froome surely wants Porte around and Sky isn't going to go against Froome's wishes. Or BMC has guaranteed Porte being outright TDF leader.

 

[arvc40]

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It really doesn't make sense to me for Porte to go to BMC and do exactly the same things he is doing in Team Sky - leading 1 week stage races and Giro, and being super-domestique to van Garderen instead of Froome at the TDF.

Which means either Sky does not want Porte, which is unlikely as Froome surely wants Porte around and Sky isn't going to go against Froome's wishes. Or BMC has guaranteed Porte being outright TDF leader.

Porte is going to outperform TJVG. He will naturally become leader at BMC.

 

[giuying]

Best wishes to Smiling Richie Porte, the Tenacious Tasmanian,
next year and in the future. An incredible cyclist and a lovely
lad without whom Team SKY's three Tour de France wins in
the last four years may not have been possible.

Ditto! He is just so impressive! I cannot wait to see more!

 

[SeriousSam]

Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

 

[ray j willings]

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Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

So you are saying Froome is the best climber in the world and Porte can be a nearly as good

 

[Velolover2]

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Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

Porte:
Down Under
Paris-Nice
Catalunya
Dauphine
Tour De France (along with Tejay)

I'd love to see Froome on the same schedule. Just seeing those lads racing against each other would be one of the greatest thing of 2016.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

So you are saying Froome is the best climber in the world and Porte can be a nearly as good

On a few occasions, yes, Porte has been the 2nd best climber - Ax-3 and PSM. Nothing wrong about that.

 

[movingtarget]

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Porte will become the next Cadel at BMC and as such earn my respect and support.

Best o' luck.

Nailed it!

LRP seems to think being Cadel 2.0 is his destiny..

Well it wasn't going to happen with Sky. The support Porte received or did not receive at the Giro was simply unprofessional. Would not have happened to Froome. I think he will do well at BMC and sometimes a bit of rivalry as there will be between him and TJVG can be a good thing. Having a few other Aussies on the team won't hurt either. Even though some fans seem to have written him off long ago I still think Porte is yet to reach his best as a GT rider.

 

[JRanton]

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Porte will become the next Cadel at BMC and as such earn my respect and support.

Best o' luck.

Nailed it!

LRP seems to think being Cadel 2.0 is his destiny..

Well it wasn't going to happen with Sky. The support Porte received or did not receive at the Giro was simply unprofessional. Would not have happened to Froome. I think he will do well at BMC and sometimes a bit of rivalry as there will be between him and TJVG can be a good thing. Having a few other Aussies on the team won't hurt either. Even though some fans seem to have written him off long ago I still think Porte is yet to reach his best as a GT rider.

I like Richie but he's a bit of a tease in terms of GT potential because his top level is so high (easily good enough to win a GT, especially with his time trialling) but he really doesn't seem to be a three week rider. He still very much deserves another chance of GT leadership but I'm just not confident it's going to be successful.

 

[JRanton]

Re: Re:

Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

So you are saying Froome is the best climber in the world and Porte can be a nearly as good

Show me some climbing performances from riders in the last five years which match what Froome did on Ax-3-Domaines, Ventoux and Pierre-Saint-Martin. Those were performances that people will still be looking back on in 30-40 years time in amazement. The most dominant performances since the big boss himself.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

So you are saying Froome is the best climber in the world and Porte can be a nearly as good

Show me some climbing performances from riders in the last five years which match what Froome did on Ax-3-Domaines, Ventoux and Pierre-Saint-Martin. Those were performances that people will still be looking back on in 30-40 years time in amazement. The most dominant performances since the big boss himself.

That is not a question of climber, but of good rider.

Why Dumoulin (an froomr second) beat in Cumbres del Sol to better riders in that climb as Purito, Aru,... becouse the stage, and the previous stages, were mostlñy flat and with rain. Finally you pay that in the climb althopugh you are a climber.

The numbers of Froome in Ventoux werent so good, and Quintana, a very young rider in his first Tour, attacked before and finally was close to him.

Respect Porte, he is a powerfull rider for one week, and maybe for 3 weeks as well. He is not a pure climber, but he is an aerodinamic climber, and for some kind of climbs, that is very important.

 

[Metabolol]

I disagree about Froome's PSM attack if you look at it from a numbers perspective. It was a very good attack (TDF winning level) but the rest were really off their game on that climb. In hindsight I was more impressed with Froome's overall strength the first 12 days or so.

Of course one question is how much of the poor performances of Quintana, Nibali and Contador can be explained by the fatigue from the 9 previous stages and how much due to other factors. I think Quintana was lacking some climbing sharpness - he probably should have done the criterium du dauphine instead of route du sud. Contador was clearly tired from the Giro and far away from top shape. When it comes to Nibali I'm not sure what happened.

 

[Velolover2]

Porte vs. Froome on the first MTF of the Tour is going to be the greatest thing in a long time. I can't wait for that battle to come.

Maybe Porte can match him now he is allowed to do so?

 

[Metabolol]

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Porte vs. Froome on the first MTF of the Tour is going to be the greatest thing in a long time. I can't wait for that battle to come.

Maybe Porte can match him now he is allowed to do so?

I expect something like we saw on stage 10 of the Tour this year. Porte worked for Froome on the climb but as a leader he will also have to handle more stress and he can't take any days off to save energy for the climbs. So expect just about the same performance level during he first 10-12 days. After that I expect him to fade or crack as I don't think Porte can handle the overall pressure of a three week Tour.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Has LRP revealed anything about his plans for 2016? I'd like to see him contest the Giro. Landa v Aru v Porte would make for nice viewing.

In the Tour, despite having shown on two occasions that his climbing can be truly elite, bettered only by Froome, he is very unlikely to be able to compete with the more experienced and more consistent contenders.

So you are saying Froome is the best climber in the world and Porte can be a nearly as good

Show me some climbing performances from riders in the last five years which match what Froome did on Ax-3-Domaines, Ventoux and Pierre-Saint-Martin. Those were performances that people will still be looking back on in 30-40 years time in amazement. The most dominant performances since the big boss himself.

Clinic time

 

[ray j willings]

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Porte vs. Froome on the first MTF of the Tour is going to be the greatest thing in a long time. I can't wait for that battle to come.

Maybe Porte can match him now he is allowed to do so?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Porte vs. Froome on the first MTF of the Tour is going to be the greatest thing in a long time. I can't wait for that battle to come.

Maybe Porte can match him now he is allowed to do so?

Whats to funny about it? Porte has been the 2nd best on the first mountain stage as a domestique, by far, in 2013 and 2015. Why wouldnt it happen again?

 

[SeriousSam]

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I disagree about Froome's PSM attack if you look at it from a numbers perspective. It was a very good attack (TDF winning level) but the rest were really off their game on that climb.

It's funny how everyone just happens to be off their game whenever the key stage of the Tour de France comes along...

Come on. Contador has the excuse that the Giro finished him, Nibali has no excuse per se but was clearly off his best, but Quintana and his team had no excuses and they made no excuses. Valverde was climbing as well at the Tour as he has in a long time and he lost a huge amount of time. Nairo prepared all year for the Tour, his strength is climbing, he wasn't sick, he wasn't out of shape, and he ended up losing more than a minute on a mountain top finish, admitting to Froome's superiority afterwards

And LRP beat him to second despite working for Froome. Coupled with his TT skills, LRP has fantastic physiological potential. It remains to be seen whether he has the mental strength and recovery to deliver 21 days in a row but the evidence against that is not as strong as his lack of results to date would have one believe.

 

[fungusbear]

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I disagree about Froome's PSM attack if you look at it from a numbers perspective. It was a very good attack (TDF winning level) but the rest were really off their game on that climb.

It's funny how everyone just happens to be off their game whenever the key stage of the Tour de France comes along...

Come on. Contador has the excuse that the Giro finished him, Nibali has no excuse per se but was clearly off his best, but Quintana and his team had no excuses and they made no excuses. Valverde was climbing as well at the Tour as he has in a long time and he lost a huge amount of time. Nairo prepared all year for the Tour, his strength is climbing, he wasn't sick, he wasn't out of shape, and he ended up losing more than a minute on a mountain top finish, conceding Froome's superiority.

And LRP beat him to second despite working for Froome. Coupled with his TT skills, LRP has fantastic physiological potential. It remains to be seen whether he has the mental strength and recovery to deliver 21 days in a row but the evidence against that is not as strong as his lack of results to date would have one believe.

The heat caused the rest of the peleton to be off I think. It was an extremely hot day

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

I disagree about Froome's PSM attack if you look at it from a numbers perspective. It was a very good attack (TDF winning level) but the rest were really off their game on that climb.

It's funny how everyone just happens to be off their game whenever the key stage of the Tour de France comes along...

Come on. Contador has the excuse that the Giro finished him, Nibali has no excuse per se but was clearly off his best, but Quintana and his team had no excuses and they made no excuses. Valverde was climbing as well at the Tour as he has in a long time and he lost a huge amount of time. Nairo prepared all year for the Tour, his strength is climbing, he wasn't sick, he wasn't out of shape, and he ended up losing more than a minute on a mountain top finish, conceding Froome's superiority.

And LRP beat him to second despite working for Froome. Coupled with his TT skills, LRP has fantastic physiological potential. It remains to be seen whether he has the mental strength and recovery to deliver 21 days in a row but the evidence against that is not as strong as his lack of results to date would have one believe.

The heat caused the rest of the peleton to be off I think. It was an extremely hot day

The full peloton had a off day???

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

I disagree about Froome's PSM attack if you look at it from a numbers perspective. It was a very good attack (TDF winning level) but the rest were really off their game on that climb.

It's funny how everyone just happens to be off their game whenever the key stage of the Tour de France comes along...

Come on. Contador has the excuse that the Giro finished him, Nibali has no excuse per se but was clearly off his best, but Quintana and his team had no excuses and they made no excuses. Valverde was climbing as well at the Tour as he has in a long time and he lost a huge amount of time. Nairo prepared all year for the Tour, his strength is climbing, he wasn't sick, he wasn't out of shape, and he ended up losing more than a minute on a mountain top finish, admitting to Froome's superiority afterwards

And LRP beat him to second despite working for Froome. Coupled with his TT skills, LRP has fantastic physiological potential. It remains to be seen whether he has the mental strength and recovery to deliver 21 days in a row but the evidence against that is not as strong as his lack of results to date would have one believe.

How do explain Quintana taking time out of Froome in the last week " more time" Did Froome forget his asthma pump

 

[Metabolol]

Re: Re:

I disagree about Froome's PSM attack if you look at it from a numbers perspective. It was a very good attack (TDF winning level) but the rest were really off their game on that climb.

It's funny how everyone just happens to be off their game whenever the key stage of the Tour de France comes along...

Come on. Contador has the excuse that the Giro finished him, Nibali has no excuse per se but was clearly off his best, but Quintana and his team had no excuses and they made no excuses. Valverde was climbing as well at the Tour as he has in a long time and he lost a huge amount of time. Nairo prepared all year for the Tour, his strength is climbing, he wasn't sick, he wasn't out of shape, and he ended up losing more than a minute on a mountain top finish, admitting to Froome's superiority afterwards

And LRP beat him to second despite working for Froome. Coupled with his TT skills, LRP has fantastic physiological potential. It remains to be seen whether he has the mental strength and recovery to deliver 21 days in a row but the evidence against that is not as strong as his lack of results to date would have one believe.

Well that was pretty much what (if you had included my second paragraph) I said other than I think that Quintana made a mistake in his preparation.