Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[Metabolol]

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Porte vs. Froome on the first MTF of the Tour is going to be the greatest thing in a long time. I can't wait for that battle to come.

Maybe Porte can match him now he is allowed to do so?

Whats to funny about it? Porte has been the 2nd best on the first mountain stage as a domestique, by far, in 2013 and 2015. Why wouldnt it happen again?

It could happen again. But if Contador performs at the level he did in 2014 (which isn't a given) then it mostly likely won't happen. I'm not sure Quintana will reach a higher level than he has so far but as I said I think he made a mistake when he came back from Colombia and didn't do any hard climbing leading up to the Tour. If he fixes this then he should get closer to Froome on the early mountain stages.

 

[yaco]

So Richie Porte is riding the Tour of Dubai starting 08th October - Yet Porte is unfit for the WC - You have to wonder if the AIS is interfering in selection.

 

[roundabout]

Let him pocket his appearance money in peace, please.

 

[pastronef]

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So Richie Porte is riding the Tour of Dubai starting 08th October - Yet Porte is unfit for the WC - You have to wonder if the AIS is interfering in selection.

I guess Porte will make a stop in the Emirates to race, while flying back to Australia for the winter break. let´s see if Sutton does the same.

tell me more about the problem between Porte and AIS.

 

[pastronef]

Let him pocket his appearance money in peace, please.

he skips the Abu Dhabi Tour. not interested in appearance money

 

[DBotero]

Let him pocket his appearance money in peace, please.

he skips the Abu Dhabi Tour. not interested in appearance money

Good move to skip this as he wasn't in decent shape anyway.Can't wait for the first duel with Froome next year.

 

[yaco]

The Giro profile suits Porte. This is his chance to podium on a GT.

 

[Ruudz0r]

http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/exclusive-richie-porte-interview-i-leave-team-sky-without-a-single-bad-thing-to-say-about-them.html

“I think it would be nice to do the early part of the season in the same way I have done this year, but then with a massive goal of going to the Tour and being competitive. I know Tejay van Garderen well, we get along well, and I don’t see why we can’t go to the Tour and co-exist so to speak.”

 

[Velolover2]

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The Giro profile suits Porte. This is his chance to podium on a GT.

The Tour is his main target. One of the reasons he moved to BMC. He is understandably tired of trying the Giro again, again and again. And he doesn't like the bad weather.

If BMC where smart, I'd send Tejay to the Giro. Porte has a better chance of challenging Froome. Especially in the first couple of mountain stages.

 

[Velolover2]

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http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/exclusive-richie-porte-interview-i-leave-team-sky-without-a-single-bad-thing-to-say-about-them.html

“I think it would be nice to do the early part of the season in the same way I have done this year, but then with a massive goal of going to the Tour and being competitive. I know Tejay van Garderen well, we get along well, and I don’t see why we can’t go to the Tour and co-exist so to speak.”

Oh, you were faster. (; My guess is that they will have separate programs for the two of them up until the Tour.

Porte: Down Under, Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.
Tejay: Oman, Tirreno–Adriatico, Pais Vasco, California, Suisse, Tour.

 

[Eagle]

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The Giro profile suits Porte. This is his chance to podium on a GT.

The Tour is his main target. One of the reasons he moved to BMC. He is understandably tired of trying the Giro again, again and again. And he doesn't like the bad weather.

If BMC where smart, I'd send Tejay to the Giro. Porte has a better chance of challenging Froome. Especially in the first couple of mountain stages.

He's only raced the Giro three times, his first 2 grand tours and this year

 

[Velolover2]

Yeah, but he was supposed to ride it in 2014 as his main goal, but it never happened. Got sick.

 

[Tonton]

After all, Porte is the one who beat Froome's record on La Madone, previously held by Armstrong, and Rominger before him. The sky is his limits. Ooops, not Sky. Something tells me he'll come down to earth, and I hope Phil/Paul don't refer to him as Big George.

 

[Scarponi]

It blows my mind the amount of riders like tejay and Porte who try and win the tour as their first GT. Look at what happened to Cadel Evans who only won one tour and he was in a whole lot better place with the two seconds and vuelts podium. Probably could have won 3-4 gts if he chose those the right ones ( like nibs vuelta)

 

[IndianCyclist]

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It blows my mind the amount of riders like tejay and Porte who try and win the tour as their first GT. Look at what happened to Cadel Evans who only won one tour and he was in a whole lot better place with the two seconds and vuelts podium. Probably could have won 3-4 gts if he chose those the right ones ( like nibs vuelta)

Agree with you there. A lot of riders who are good riders but not the top 4 focus only on the tour in which they fail miserably and manage top10 or 20. Wining the other GTs gives not only confidence but also to learn how to win and get the preparation/strategy/tactics correct. No other race (1 week) will give that.
Besides wining a GT gives good publicity, money and the rider goes into the history books. Nobody remembers a Top5-10-20

 

[Scarponi]

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It blows my mind the amount of riders like tejay and Porte who try and win the tour as their first GT. Look at what happened to Cadel Evans who only won one tour and he was in a whole lot better place with the two seconds and vuelts podium. Probably could have won 3-4 gts if he chose those the right ones ( like nibs vuelta)

Agree with you there. A lot of riders who are good riders but not the top 4 focus only on the tour in which they fail miserably and manage top10 or 20. Wining the other GTs gives not only confidence but also to learn how to win and get the preparation/strategy/tactics correct. No other race (1 week) will give that.
Besides wining a GT gives good publicity, money and the rider goes into the history books. Nobody remembers a Top5-10-20

Exactly, I think Quintana is a great example while I think he will get a tdf one day the fact he has a giro is a whole lot better then 0 GTs. Porte and tejay are a quarter of a rider Quintana is. The last three years though the vuelta has been ridden by big riders which makes it slightly harder

 

[SeriousSam]

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It blows my mind the amount of riders like tejay and Porte who try and win the tour as their first GT. Look at what happened to Cadel Evans who only won one tour and he was in a whole lot better place with the two seconds and vuelts podium. Probably could have won 3-4 gts if he chose those the right ones ( like nibs vuelta)

Evans did the right thing by targeting the Tour relentlessly. He ended up winning it. He might not have, had he done Giros or Vueltas instead.

 

[saganftw]

how many giros/vueltas is one TdF worth?

 

[VO2 Max]

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how many giros/vueltas is one TdF worth?

Depends what country you come from. In UK (and probably Australia) approximately 2.3million; in Italy much less.

 

[Mr.White]

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how many giros/vueltas is one TdF worth?

Between 1.20 and 1.50

 

[dirkprovin]

Two divergent ways to look at Porte's signing by BMC

If they are looking at a rider who can bring in significant WT points and prizemoney via winning one week tours; then it should have every good chance of success.

If they are looking upon him as a potential GT winner, then this shows very good signs of flushing good money down the S bend. He has proven a first rate super domestique at Sky but when given leadership status at GTs, he has melted. He's a good climber but has not shown that he can be there every day over three weeks. His TTing is frankly over-rated. He's good but not anywhere near the level of the specialists.

Which story line will play out, or will it be a mixture of both ?

 

[DBotero]

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Two divergent ways to look at Porte's signing by BMC

If they are looking at a rider who can bring in significant WT points and prizemoney via winning one week tours; then it should have every good chance of success.

If they are looking upon him as a potential GT winner, then this shows very good signs of flushing good money down the S bend. He has proven a first rate super domestique at Sky but when given leadership status at GTs, he has melted. He's a good climber but has not shown that he can be there every day over three weeks. His TTing is frankly over-rated. He's good but not anywhere near the level of the specialists.

Which story line will play out, or will it be a mixture of both ?

How many GT chances as a leader did he got,only two. One was missed because he was sick,the 2nd was a mixture of bad luck,Sky lack of support and maybe his weakness,hard to tell because he crashed.Well he was there in the 3rd week for Froome,why he wouldn't be able to be when riding for his own purposes.

 

[SeriousSam]

It wouldn't be surprising at this point if LRP cannot maintain the required lvl 21 stages in a row but the evidence on that isn't decisive yet. There were extenuating circumstances for his failures.

His climbing and tt ceiling makes him a much more exciting Tour contender than TJ.

 

[dirkprovin]

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Two divergent ways to look at Porte's signing by BMC

If they are looking at a rider who can bring in significant WT points and prizemoney via winning one week tours; then it should have every good chance of success.

If they are looking upon him as a potential GT winner, then this shows very good signs of flushing good money down the S bend. He has proven a first rate super domestique at Sky but when given leadership status at GTs, he has melted. He's a good climber but has not shown that he can be there every day over three weeks. His TTing is frankly over-rated. He's good but not anywhere near the level of the specialists.

Which story line will play out, or will it be a mixture of both ?

How many GT chances as a leader did he got,only two. One was missed because he was sick,the 2nd was a mixture of bad luck,Sky lack of support and maybe his weakness,hard to tell because he crashed.Well he was there in the 3rd week for Froome,why he wouldn't be able to be when riding for his own purposes.

Sick or did he crack under the pressure ? Can he handle GT leadership and be able to get a team to "gell" around him ? In this year's Giro, he made some amateur blunders (going to the wrong side of the road for a wheel change which led to the Clarke swap scenario) and there were probably some issues that can see laid at SKY's door but he was completely Unconvincing.

His TTing is very variable; yes he did win the 2015 national title but his best performances in this discipline have been over shorter distances rather than the longer ones that generally decide most GTs. In his own right, I think he's an higher end of Top 10/top 15 man at best when it comes to GTs. He'll be 31 next season and his "window" is narrowing and other younger riders frankly look better equipped.

AUS fans are looking for another GT winner to follow on from Evans. Sadly, I don't see Porte fitting that bill; TBH, I can't see Dennis being one either although he could win a World ITT title. They may have to wait a while for another one

 

[ray j willings]

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It wouldn't be surprising at this point if LRP cannot maintain the required lvl 21 stages in a row but the evidence on that isn't decisive yet. There were extenuating circumstances for his failures.

His climbing and tt ceiling makes him a much more exciting Tour contender than TJ.

You will be enjoying another season of what I call " LRP's 3 weeks of inevitable disappointment "

Not sure whats going on in this photo, some kind of marginal gain