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In my opinion he has lost the momentum he had..
Not sure he has the mental and physical ressources to come back this time around...
Has he ever come back from being poor momentum like now?
Better to take a breather and rebuild form for TDF...
jens_attacks said:
In my opinion he has lost the momentum he had..
Not sure he has the mental and physical ressources to come back this time around...
Has he ever come back from being poor momentum like now?
Better to take a breather and rebuild form for TDF...
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Must be the "Sky Giro Syndrome". The only chance to win is to hire an Italian, a Spaniard or a Colombian GC rider. Sadly none is available.
Mayomaniac said:
Must be the "Sky Giro Syndrome". The only chance to win is to hire an Italian, a Spaniard or a Colombian GC rider. Sadly none is available.
- Aug 4, 2014
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Did you Porte haters actually see the crash go down? One Sky rider was leading Richie and he strayed right so as not to fall and ended up crashing into Porte. Meanwhile both Aru and Uran were way up in front by their lonesomes (both had teammates a little back) and managed to stay clear of the mess. This was 90% bad luck and 9.5% failed tactics (can someone tell me where Sebastian Henao was? It should've been his bike on tap for the swap). I'll blame Porte 0.5% for giving up a little at the end there.
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Henao is still trying to finish stage 3 probably after getting dropped on the first Cat 2 climb of the race.
carton said:
Henao is still trying to finish stage 3 probably after getting dropped on the first Cat 2 climb of the race.
I can't fault Porte for anything this Giro (except taking that wheel). His form looked good and he's been riding well against Bertie and Aru. I had really hoped to see how he measured up against some of the best at his best. We might see glimmers of it in the third week, but it won't be the same. Still, five minutes in the Giro's hardest stages can be achieved - at least a top five or podium, and with the cushion other riders have against him a stage win is possible.
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I sense some problems within in the team. It's not just bad luck. Also the way he rode to the finish line was like he didn't give a ****. Like I wrote in another thread, this whole strategy of waiting for the TT could easily backfire and now it has. Sky should have made a move the day after Contador's crash.
I dont kick a man when he is down but is is just funny how some fans are still calling all these situations a bad luck. 
It is a bad luck when you lose one GT due to some unfortunate event, but when you are always involved in every accident, it is not about luck anymore.
As others said, you need to be a real racer capable of being focused for 3 weeks and have a real talent to avoid these situations in order to win a real GT race and Porte is just not that.
It is a bad luck when you lose one GT due to some unfortunate event, but when you are always involved in every accident, it is not about luck anymore.
As others said, you need to be a real racer capable of being focused for 3 weeks and have a real talent to avoid these situations in order to win a real GT race and Porte is just not that.
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What did you have in mind considering Contador pretty easily responded to Aru and Porte's attacks on the final climb?
Metabolol said:
What did you have in mind considering Contador pretty easily responded to Aru and Porte's attacks on the final climb?
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Yes, he will be doing a Wigans soon.
Too bad, this Giro deserved a tridente. Not a one man show.
Too bad, this Giro deserved a tridente. Not a one man show.
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Insanity. Richie should do what's best for Richie. Not what's best for Sky. I think he really wants to lead at GC, and on strength he deserves it. It's unfortunate that the one time he's in a position to either prove to his team or to his next that he can contest the Grand tours that's he's hit with bad luck and an abject team.
And unlike other riders, he takes it on the chin and doesn't moan.
mrhender said:
Insanity. Richie should do what's best for Richie. Not what's best for Sky. I think he really wants to lead at GC, and on strength he deserves it. It's unfortunate that the one time he's in a position to either prove to his team or to his next that he can contest the Grand tours that's he's hit with bad luck and an abject team.
And unlike other riders, he takes it on the chin and doesn't moan.
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I think so too. But he did seem a little giving up today. And his team was just bad. I thought there's bunch of sky guys around richie when it crashed. Sure he is down 5 minutes. But the ITT is still coming. And with his form and this is a discipline he shines, he could still have a chance at least podium. In this Giro anything can happen. Look at Aru and Contador. Been fighting all week for just 1 second. And in one day after contador gains time, he lost it just like that. So he shouldn't have given up yet. If he can put 3 minutes to the top 3 GC, he still has a chance, unless he just doesn't have the leg anymore.
I guess if his ITT is a so so or even a bust, sky might just pull him out for TDF. On the other hand, Uran is quietly climbing toward the podium. Now that's a fighter.
mrhender said:
I think so too. But he did seem a little giving up today. And his team was just bad. I thought there's bunch of sky guys around richie when it crashed. Sure he is down 5 minutes. But the ITT is still coming. And with his form and this is a discipline he shines, he could still have a chance at least podium. In this Giro anything can happen. Look at Aru and Contador. Been fighting all week for just 1 second. And in one day after contador gains time, he lost it just like that. So he shouldn't have given up yet. If he can put 3 minutes to the top 3 GC, he still has a chance, unless he just doesn't have the leg anymore.
I guess if his ITT is a so so or even a bust, sky might just pull him out for TDF. On the other hand, Uran is quietly climbing toward the podium. Now that's a fighter.
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that's a sad thing for Porte. So it means that he is best at what he does best: a super domestique for Froome. He fights so hard to be given a leadership in GT and putting himself in team hierarchy. He had his chance for 3 times already (Giro 2014, TDF 2015 - after froome crashed out and now), none has gone his way. I still think he still has the chance even with 5 minutes gap. But it depends on his will. Show you how much mental toughness you can be when thing is totally gone sideways.
mrhender said:
that's a sad thing for Porte. So it means that he is best at what he does best: a super domestique for Froome. He fights so hard to be given a leadership in GT and putting himself in team hierarchy. He had his chance for 3 times already (Giro 2014, TDF 2015 - after froome crashed out and now), none has gone his way. I still think he still has the chance even with 5 minutes gap. But it depends on his will. Show you how much mental toughness you can be when thing is totally gone sideways.
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He needs to prove himself in a GT. It would be good for him if he finishes in the podium. It would be good for his confidence in the future. He doesn't have a lot of high placings in a GT. Just one and that was after a long breakaway.mrhender said:
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Richie has yet to crack or have a bad day, he's been stronger than the guy in the maglia rosa. He's been royally *** over with crashes, punctures and a truly abject team. It's almost like Brailsford is sabotaging him to ensure he remains a superdomestique.
I agree that a podium would do wonders for him. If he gets it, he should leave Sky.
Placings are not the only evidence of GT ability.Escarabajo said:
Richie has yet to crack or have a bad day, he's been stronger than the guy in the maglia rosa. He's been royally *** over with crashes, punctures and a truly abject team. It's almost like Brailsford is sabotaging him to ensure he remains a superdomestique.
I agree that a podium would do wonders for him. If he gets it, he should leave Sky.
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Sky has the second or third best GC roster in this Giro behind Astana & possibly T&S. They're No. 1 in rider preparation & No. 1 logistically. The fact that they're in the 20's tactically does not, methinks, in and of itself make them an abject team.SeriousSam said:
Yeah, I think Richie should see this through and get another shot at GC regardless, his talent and his stage race pedigree are undeniable. Bad luck has played a huge factor on his two unaborted tries at GT leadership, one of which was unplanned. But the way he's handled adversity hasn't been quite as impressive as you make it out to be either. Compared with Uran taking huge pulls in the TTT and then plunging into the caravan on a wet downhill teammates be damned; and Contador screaming his lungs out and then pulling a big group to the line today; he hasn't really shown me he's the type of fearless leader I'd definitely want captaining a GT team with his performances so far.SeriousSam said:
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It depends on his knee ...if it too bad for him to do a good TT then yes take him out
If he can do a very good TT then stay just so he does not give up without a good fight ....he could learn alot from doing that
The thing about being a good GT rider is that it is far more than being a climber /TT er
Its about consistency , recovery & awareness ...there is never a moment off and in ways you make your own luck
Its like saying a good rider makes a good domestique....nah
If he can do a very good TT then stay just so he does not give up without a good fight ....he could learn alot from doing that
The thing about being a good GT rider is that it is far more than being a climber /TT er
Its about consistency , recovery & awareness ...there is never a moment off and in ways you make your own luck
Its like saying a good rider makes a good domestique....nah
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If they are no 1 as you say in preparation then they would not be number 20 in tactics &be so rubbish
The DS's and road captain have alot to answer for
I am serious employ some DSs who have won Grand Tours and take no nonsense ...but I suppose they would not be able to sign SKY anti doping document
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