Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[Jelantik]

ok.. i would kick the guy when he is down. But first thing first... what happen with his private camper van? (that should be a big news by now since DB has been promoting it as their marginal gain matra) Anyone read any news about it?

 

[Jelantik]

speaking about transfer, anyone thinks that Porte will stay at sky? Looks like BMC and Ettix are interested in him. I don't see Ettix is a good place for his GC aspirations. BMC is a good place. He can push TJ to the secondary leader I'm sure TJ wants to lead TDF. Orica? too many young riders. Hard to received a solid support for TDF dream. Would be interesting if he stays w/ sky?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-transfer-talk-porte-and-uran-key-pieces-in-2016-market

 

[SeriousSam]

Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

 

[BigMac]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

A guy who goes by the name of Jason Mercier would disagree.

 

[No_Balls]

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Based on RP's record so far, GTs are too much for him as a team leader. He is a great support rider for GTs, and can win most one week stage races which can make a great career for him. RP, rest up, win du Dauphine, and pull CF around France in July.

This is not even really an issue for debate. Richie has been a solid domestique in the past and excelled in one week stage races.

The reason why he continues to set the forum on fire is all the butthurt from fans of losers who cant beat Sky in the Tour.

Lol. Butthurt isnt exactly how i would describe it. This whole saga has made Porte and his Sky entourage the laughing stock of the race. Its been comedy gold to be more precise.

 

[Carols]

speaking about transfer, anyone thinks that Porte will stay at sky? Looks like BMC and Ettix are interested in him. I don't see Ettix is a good place for his GC aspirations. BMC is a good place. He can push TJ to the secondary leader I'm sure TJ wants to lead TDF. Orica? too many young riders. Hard to received a solid support for TDF dream. Would be interesting if he stays w/ sky?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-transfer-talk-porte-and-uran-key-pieces-in-2016-market

From that article:

Porte was hoping to land a two million Euro contract for both 2016 and 2017 if he performed well at the Giro d’Italia. It seems negotiations will be much tougher now, even if his success and WorldTour ranking points scored at the Tour Down Under, Paris-Nice and the Volta a Catalunya carry significant value.

His market value has diminished considerably in the last 2 weeks. Which team will give him a motorhome?

He'll probably end up staying at Sky. Although it would be interesting if he and Uran switched places on teams!!! BMC seems in a state of flux. One year contracts only, hummm.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

BMC is in a tough place right now. Rihs is a bit tired of paying for the team and wants them to find a sponsor.
As a bike brand, they can't come up with anything remotely interesting. The SLR has been their bike for what, 4 years? They tried the Impec and failed miserably.

The best thing for BMC to do is merge with IAM.

 

[JRanton]

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Based on RP's record so far, GTs are too much for him as a team leader. He is a great support rider for GTs, and can win most one week stage races which can make a great career for him. RP, rest up, win du Dauphine, and pull CF around France in July.

This is not even really an issue for debate. Richie has been a solid domestique in the past and excelled in one week stage races.

The reason why he continues to set the forum on fire is all the butthurt from fans of losers who cant beat Sky in the Tour.

Most of the hate comes from Contador fans (though not all) who are understandably self-conscious of the fact they're supporting a proven cheat and like to compensate for that by ridiculing Sky, which claims to be everything that Contador isn't.

 

[jmdirt]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

Only if you don't count the fact that JT has better TdF results.

 

[jmdirt]

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Based on RP's record so far, GTs are too much for him as a team leader. He is a great support rider for GTs, and can win most one week stage races which can make a great career for him. RP, rest up, win du Dauphine, and pull CF around France in July.

This is not even really an issue for debate. Richie has been a solid domestique in the past and excelled in one week stage races.

The reason why he continues to set the forum on fire is all the butthurt from fans of losers who cant beat Sky in the Tour.

OK, thanks for paraphrasing my post. I can't speak for anyone else, but my butt feels good, not hurt what so ever. I would like to see him battle for a GT GC, but I'm starting to doubt that he has what it takes.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

Only if you don't count the fact that JT has better TdF results.

Remember when Richie was within a minute of the Dawg at Ax3? JT is not capable of such a feat, and never will be. Meanwhile, Porte's problems of lacking consistency, and just plain bad luck, can be overcome.

This is why Porte can challenge for victory at a GT. Few riders can, and JT is not one of them because even if everything goes to plan, because his ceiling is so low, he cannot win.

 

[HelloDolly]

The comments on here against SKY riders and SKY fans are down right disgusting

Where are the moderators when you need them ????

I guess busy admonishing anyone that raises an issue about Contador & his fanboys ....biased much ?????

 

[pastronef]

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A lot of the dislike towards Sky can be attributed to the overwhelming number of idiots in their fan base.

so a big part of the hatred is because some people on forums and twitter cannot get over the fact that some fans believe them?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

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A lot of the dislike towards Sky can be attributed to the overwhelming number of idiots in their fan base.

so a big part of the hatred is because some people on forums and twitter cannot get over the fact that some fans believe them?

Try reading my post again and this time focus on the difference between the words "dislike" (my word) and "hatred" (your word).

It works better if you leave your sense of victimhood behind.

Team Sky's continued BS combined with its fans' endless appetite for it has made the team into a laughingstock.

 

[Jelantik]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

Only if you don't count the fact that JT has better TdF results.

who is JT? you mean TJ?

 

[jmdirt]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

Only if you don't count the fact that JT has better TdF results.

Remember when Richie was within a minute of the Dawg at Ax3? JT is not capable of such a feat, and never will be. Meanwhile, Porte's problems of lacking consistency, and just plain bad luck, can be overcome.

This is why Porte can challenge for victory at a GT. Few riders can, and JT is not one of them because even if everything goes to plan, because his ceiling is so low, he cannot win.

TJ--two GC 5th at the TdF
RP--zero GT GC results
That shows that TJ is better in GTs.

TJ is consistent, and If you toss out "just plain bad luck" he has two 3rd place finishes in the TdF. Good thing that low ceiling is glass.

 

[Amsterhammer]

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A lot of the dislike towards Sky can be attributed to the overwhelming number of idiots in their fan base.

so a big part of the hatred is because some people on forums and twitter cannot get over the fact that some fans believe them?

Try reading my post again and this time focus on the difference between the words "dislike" (my word) and "hatred" (your word).

It works better if you leave your sense of victimhood behind.

Team Sky's continued BS combined with its fans' endless appetite for it has made the team into a laughingstock.

This...and of course the pathetic 'motor home' episode.

 

[pastronef]

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A lot of the dislike towards Sky can be attributed to the overwhelming number of idiots in their fan base.

so a big part of the hatred is because some people on forums and twitter cannot get over the fact that some fans believe them?

Try reading my post again and this time focus on the difference between the words "dislike" (my word) and "hatred" (your word).

It works better if you leave your sense of victimhood behind.

Team Sky's continued BS combined with its fans' endless appetite for it has made the team into a laughingstock.

no victimhood here. ok, no hatred (not you maybe) let's say hard dislike, pissed dislike.
anything they do is wrong. anything the don't do is wrong anyway.
they go fast, dont like. they go slow, dont like. they tweet, dont like. they don't tweet, dont like.
it just amazing.
maybe you are right, it's a payback for their continuous BS. on the other side, 3 years of posting the same Froome-Henderson push or the look at the stem every other day, is at the level of their continuous BS.

It should be obvious that their narrative is for their dear UK fans. I thought people on this forum with a few year experience in modern cycling would understand that, instead of barking at them every time they breathe

 

[The Hitch]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

Only if you don't count the fact that JT has better TdF results.

Remember when Richie was within a minute of the Dawg at Ax3?

* While doing trackstands and dropping back to Quintana to laugh at how slow he was climbing

 

[jmdirt]

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Would be a good fit for BMC. He's obviously a vastly superior GC rider than anyone they have. The Giro disaster certainly made his next contract much worse than it would have been though.

Only if you don't count the fact that JT has better TdF results.

who is JT? you mean TJ?

My right hand is a little quicker than the left!

I guess to be correct, its Tejay.

 

[SeriousSam]

It's like some mediocre tennis player whose level is very consistent. He cannot beat Djokovic without all 10 planets of the solar system aligning for one glorious moment of extraordinary luck. He just lacks the weapons, the peaks in his game, that would enable him to do so. Take some slightly more erratic player who when he's on, he's ON. That guy can beat Djokovic. Richie is just below that guy, TeeJay is the mediocre tennis player and there are like 4 Djokovices at the Tour.

 

[The Hitch]

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It's like some mediocre tennis player whose level is very consistent. He cannot beat Djokovic without all 10 planets of the solar system aligning for one glorious moment of extraordinary luck. He just lacks the weapons, the peaks in his game, that would enable him to do so. Take some slightly more erratic player who when he's on, he's ON. That guy can beat Djokovic. Richie is just below that guy, TeeJay is the mediocre tennis player and there are like 4 Djokovices at the Tour.

Froome Quintana Contador and ?

 

[SeriousSam]

Fair point. 3 Djokovices and a Murray

 

[jmdirt]

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It's like some mediocre tennis player whose level is very consistent. He cannot beat Djokovic without all 10 planets of the solar system aligning for one glorious moment of extraordinary luck. He just lacks the weapons, the peaks in his game, that would enable him to do so. Take some slightly more erratic player who when he's on, he's ON. That guy can beat Djokovic. Richie is just below that guy, TeeJay is the mediocre tennis player and there are like 4 Djokovices at the Tour.

Maybe, but based on RESULTS, Tejay has done better than Richie in GTs.

I would like to see Richie be "ON" at a GT, and it could still happen.

 

[Jancouver]

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Fair point. 3 Djokovices and a Murray

Tennis is not a good comparison. Those guys are tall and athletic. Porte? Not so much

Djoko: 188cm
Roger: 185cm
Nadal: 185cm
Murray: 190cm
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Maria Sharapova 188cm
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Little dwarf: 155cm or something like that