Depends. Some people have an easier time remembering who won GTs compared to even the biggest one day races like the Worlds - that includes me as I get a lot more attached to a race over 3 weeks which I more or less watch every day.
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I understand the rules allow them to ride but i disagree with the rules.
Tim Booth said:
I understand the rules allow them to ride but i disagree with the rules.
Can BMC send someone to Haiti, find the doll? I'm no fan of his (as in indifferent), but come on! Damn...
Cance > TheRest said:
One is certainly located somewhere close to Lugano in master's collections.
Was it crazy that Porte was most heavily favored to win according to the punters in the week before Vuelta start?
[Screen cap I made of the outright odds:
https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/1030209902545911813/1030209895583375360/gdZlcZ62.jpg ]
[Screen cap I made of the outright odds:
https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/1030209902545911813/1030209895583375360/gdZlcZ62.jpg ]
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Heavily favoured, definitely, but was he ever heavily favoured? I thought of him as the favourite tbh, but when you do that you gotta remember that Porte is in fact Porte and therefore is going to mess it all up over three weeks as per usual. This time, he did it before the race even begun. Chapeau!joe_papp said:
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In fairness Porte has not fully recovered from his crash and has gastroenteritis ...I think he didn't want to be at the Vuelta from his interviews...BMC must have made him attend....still looking for their moneys worth
Valv.Piti said:
In fairness Porte has not fully recovered from his crash and has gastroenteritis ...I think he didn't want to be at the Vuelta from his interviews...BMC must have made him attend....still looking for their moneys worth
Porte needs to toughen up and end his fixation with the TDF - He should be using every GT as an opportunity to achieve a good GC result.
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Maybe, but I cannot not think that Porte is just a softie. And soft guys don't win GCs. Its not a great attitude IMO.HelloDolly said:
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Riders preparing for the Worlds sometimes drop out of the Vuelta early but Porte needs to finish this race and said before the start he hopes to come out of the race in better form so it sounds like he at least wants the kms in his legs. I don't know anyone that would perform well with gastro and no racing since stage nine of the Tour. Porte has learned to be a realist and his own expectations are never on the level of some of his fans and the media. Even when he made it clear before the race started some people still treat his performance as if he is lining up at the start of the Tour. He admitted that crashing out of the Tour took a mental toll. No surprise there. Even Contador got exasperated by constantly crashing. I don't think Porte is mentally soft otherwise he would have wrapped his season already and BMC couldn't have cared less. But he still wants to do well in the Worlds which is a good sign.
Escarabajo said:
Riders preparing for the Worlds sometimes drop out of the Vuelta early but Porte needs to finish this race and said before the start he hopes to come out of the race in better form so it sounds like he at least wants the kms in his legs. I don't know anyone that would perform well with gastro and no racing since stage nine of the Tour. Porte has learned to be a realist and his own expectations are never on the level of some of his fans and the media. Even when he made it clear before the race started some people still treat his performance as if he is lining up at the start of the Tour. He admitted that crashing out of the Tour took a mental toll. No surprise there. Even Contador got exasperated by constantly crashing. I don't think Porte is mentally soft otherwise he would have wrapped his season already and BMC couldn't have cared less. But he still wants to do well in the Worlds which is a good sign.
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Porte doesn't set the odds for the races. Maybe if people had been through what he has been through they wouldn't be making ridiculous comments about him. Even so called hard men succumb to illness sometimes. Porte was even criticized when he won the TDS. No wonder many sportsmen refuse to read about themselves. What is the point ?
Valv.Piti said:
Porte doesn't set the odds for the races. Maybe if people had been through what he has been through they wouldn't be making ridiculous comments about him. Even so called hard men succumb to illness sometimes. Porte was even criticized when he won the TDS. No wonder many sportsmen refuse to read about themselves. What is the point ?
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This is the first stage race he has been in post July since 2013, and is still in progress, what a bizarre argument.search said:
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And Porte is obviously a talented and accomplished elite euro pro. I don't know anything about his character, and honestly don't have a good idea of whether or not he has a history of mental softness and discretionary race abandons. He seems to crash and/or get sick at critical moments, and his GT results since 2011 aren't such that I would've thought he really merited being hyped to the level that he was before the Vuelta.
This wasn't meant to be a criticism of Porte as a person or rider - just commenting on how seriously unrealistic expectations seem to have been raised by the fans who were betting on him for the Vuelta.
I understand Porte doesn't set the odds for races. I was just commenting on the massive disconnect b/w how the punters must've been wagering and the reality of Porte's form, for him to have been so heavily favored at the time when I screen-grabbed the odds.movingtarget said:
And Porte is obviously a talented and accomplished elite euro pro. I don't know anything about his character, and honestly don't have a good idea of whether or not he has a history of mental softness and discretionary race abandons. He seems to crash and/or get sick at critical moments, and his GT results since 2011 aren't such that I would've thought he really merited being hyped to the level that he was before the Vuelta.
This wasn't meant to be a criticism of Porte as a person or rider - just commenting on how seriously unrealistic expectations seem to have been raised by the fans who were betting on him for the Vuelta.
Now he's saying he has no intentions to go for the Vuelta GC from the beginning. Yeah right, why is he riding then? Can't see him winning any stage in this shape. Will go home early I believe.
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Also already signed with Trek. He's imho already fully set for the fresh start (in Trek) mentally (putting ongoing season into backlog)...Oliver said:
I hope Australia doesn't waste too many resources on Porte at the Worlds. He has never displayed aptitude in this style of racing. It should be all in for Jack Haig.
Not only had Richie a dodgy stomach and a poor shoulder ...he had NOT ONE but TWO mechanicals yesterday ....he must have done something really bad in a past life
https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/nicolas-roche-rohan-rode-like-a-machine-to-take-red-in-the-time-trial-37254875.html
https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/nicolas-roche-rohan-rode-like-a-machine-to-take-red-in-the-time-trial-37254875.html
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