LaFlorecita said:Thats the point
Exactly so the other 20 odd guys on the Saxo roster need to dope to gain some points and help for Bertie. Instead of just riding with him until the final climb then vanishing quicker than Amelia Earhart.
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LaFlorecita said:Thats the point
tous dope.Galic Ho said:You need to go back and watch the 2012 Vuelta. You're not up to speed on who is doping and more importantly...WHEN.
Free tip...wait for the last rest day and see how much Contador and Valverde improve. All three Spaniards were equal before. After they were not. Make no mistake, I think they all got blood bags.
Contrast with Froome. Too much for too long. Still doping, but his and Sky's inexperience with him doping long term hit them. One needs to have off periods. Down time. Froome had been running hot too long.
Note: I don't think Sky will make that mistake again. Either with Froome or Porte. They've learnt how both men respond and function very well by now.
leon7766 said:I still maintain Contador was still gaining benefit from his previous
drug use now this season he isnt .
The best riders dont need drugs to win and Sky have the best .
BYOP88 said:Yeah that's right. Sky just look in the African jungle and for IP's on the track. Just wait until the Spanish/Italians etc adopt that approach.
leon7766 said:Sky find talent wherever .They then add hard work , grit and determination .No clean stone unturned
leon7766 said:Sky find talent wherever .They then add hard work , grit and determination .No clean stone unturned
thehog said:What do we know about him? His performances are strange.
Last year could barely keep up on the flat. Now he's gangbusters on the climbs at 450w+
I thought he might have a future but he'll be forever tainted by the Sky team.
No wonder Simon Gerrans got out.
Porte I think is a reasonable TT'er but climber?
What's he doing?
infeXio said:Still not sure whether this leon guy is to be taken seriously
Galic Ho said:You need to go back and watch the 2012 Vuelta. You're not up to speed on who is doping and more importantly...WHEN.
Free tip...wait for the last rest day and see how much Contador and Valverde improve. All three Spaniards were equal before. After they were not. Make no mistake, I think they all got blood bags.
Contrast with Froome. Too much for too long. Still doping, but his and Sky's inexperience with him doping long term hit them. One needs to have off periods. Down time. Froome had been running hot too long.
Note: I don't think Sky will make that mistake again. Either with Froome or Porte. They've learnt how both men respond and function very well by now.
thehog said:Thanks Hog.
What do we know about him?
He can win every race he rides.
Porte is the complete rider.
Climber. Sprinter. TT'er.
Best soft pedaller I've ever seen.
Happy riding for Froome or Wiggins.
the sceptic said:What is David Arroyo doing these days? Has anyone told him he can become the best climber and TTer in the world?
roundabout said:Arroyo was a fluke. Or to put it differently, a Movistar/Caisse rider suddenly punching above his weight when given time in a breakaway.
Also the comparisons between him and Porte at different stages of their careers are rather inane. One was doing his best GT, the other was doing his first.
roundabout said:Arroyo was a fluke. Or to put it differently, a Movistar/Caisse rider suddenly punching above his weight when given time in a breakaway.
Also the comparisons between him and Porte at different stages of their careers are rather inane. One was doing his best GT, the other was doing his first.
Not to mention that in the key GC stages of that race:roundabout said:Arroyo was a fluke. Or to put it differently, a Movistar/Caisse rider suddenly punching above his weight when given time in a breakaway.
Also the comparisons between him and Porte at different stages of their careers are rather inane. One was doing his best GT, the other was doing his first.
BYOP88 said:So Arroyo was punching above his weight but Porte wasn't?
Given the conditions of the stage, wasn't it raining/bad weather? So most guys would be wearing rain jackets, so the peloton probably didn't see the 'White Jersey' head up the road, also guessing in 2010 no one in the peloton knew what Porte looked like including his teammates. By the time they realized that Porte was in the break it was probably too late to pull it back. I seem to recall that break had 40+ guys in it at one point, with most teams having a couple of guys in it.
Also this 'it was his first GT ride' is silly. Jan Ullrich came 2nd in his first GT other guys have won their maiden GT ride, without using a breakaway to gain a high GC placing.
leon7766 said:I still maintain Contador was still gaining benefit from his previous
drug use now this season he isnt .
The best riders dont need drugs to win and Sky have the best .
Libertine Seguros said:At its biggest it had 53 riders in, if I remember correctly. And while, despite being high on the GC, Porte may have snuck into the break unnoticed, you would have thought that Vino, Evans et al knew what Carlos Sastre looked like, and he made it into that break.
blackcat said:tous dope.
sort of infantile to indict sky.
only relevant debate would potentially be, does skys program, transcend some invisible and ambiguous line, where doping is allowed if it does not show up and test postive to overt cheating because their program is too effective and they are winning everything when it is more stages than a one-day race.
i just hope brailsford is paying his colombians and spaniards a fair wage unlike usps which leveraged their grimpeur ability and arbitraged their salaries.
Le Baroudeur said:Funny man... Contador made time on the flatter stages that suited him and not J-Rod... The second it went uphill agin J-Rod pulled time back.
Galic Ho said:Spaniards aren't greedy either. Those boys share the glory around.