Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[Dazed and Confused]

No way they're letting Porte do that. They'll tune him down for sure.

His current level's too good to be true, but ofc his TT talent he showed in 2010 meant that with his relatively low weight he could be like a Leipi II on the climbs, but he didn't have the ways and means to show it to the world.

Still way too fresh today, his performance looked like what he did on Malhao 2012, yet this climb is way longer and the competition is stronger.

Porte looked fresh crossing the line today. Almost ready to go again.

But, I agree he is not rogue, he will likely follow orders.

 

[mastersracer]

How can anyone watch what Sky is doing and not believe they're doping. They're making US Postal look like pikers.

Talansky's power on the final climb - 5.73 watts/kg (from his power file) for 35 minutes. Porte puts 33 seconds into him - big woop. Porte's time is 52 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 time.

Get a grip.

 

[thehog]

Talansky's power on the final climb - 5.73 watts/kg (from his power file) for 35 minutes. Porte puts 33 seconds into him - big woop. Porte's time is 52 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 time.

Get a grip.

Best thing about Sky going Full *** is the Skybots trying to defend this circus.

It certainly is entertaining

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Talansky's power on the final climb - 5.73 watts/kg (from his power file) for 35 minutes. Porte puts 33 seconds into him - big woop. Porte's time is 52 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 time.

Get a grip.

Porte in headwind, better than doper Schleck. Schleck who is currently banned for doping. Schleck was riding with wind pushing him up the climb. Porte was fighting the wind. Porte stronger than doper Schleck.

 

[Red Dragon]

I calculate Richie Porte at approximately 5.79 watts per kilo on the climb of La Montagne de Lure.

 

[thehog]

Porte in headwind, better than doper Schleck. Schleck who is currently banned for doping. Schleck was riding with wind pushing him up the climb. Porte was fighting the wind. Porte stronger than doper Schleck.

You really do clutch at straws.

You used to come across as reasonably intelligent.

Now?

Desperate.

 

[will10]

7th at the Giro and best young rider in 2010. Yup hid that well.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1043432&postcount=46

 

[thehog]

I calculate Richie Porte at approximately 5.79 watts per kilo on the climb of La Montagne de Lure.

I calculate Richie Porte doping.

He's become Lance. He even looks like him.

Maybe he regrets what he told Ashenden?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I calculate Richie Porte doping.

He's become Lance. He even looks like him.

Maybe he regrets what he told Ashenden?

ah come on, little Porte ain't nowhere as ruthless as LA. Just a boy led the wrong way by Sky. However he crossed the line.

 

[maxmartin]

It is very obvious, W, CF, RP and MR, anyone of them can win last year ToF. It is probably just decided by DB. Rabo at least have the shame to know not too look too strong, while SKY has no such concern. SKY is in the making of the biggest joke of professional cycling.

 

[Red Dragon]

I calculate Richie Porte doping.

The result of your mathematical equation may not be too far from the truth......

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I am certainly not a Sky fan, but the guy beat Talansky, who was clear that he shouldn't have attacked 3 times on the final climb. He was the leader, and should have just covered attacks when he needed to. If he hadn't attacked 3 times, it is likely he could have stayed with Prote the whole time. So does that mean Talansky is doping for sure?

I am all for ridding the sport of doping, but cannot for the life of me see how deconstructing early season races and attacks that are ridden at 5.79 watts is really furthering that cause.

 

[Red Dragon]

I am all for ridding the sport of doping, but cannot for the life of me see how deconstructing early season races and attacks that are ridden at 5.79 watts is really furthering that cause.

Exactly. 5.79 watts per kilo while being impressive, is in reality far from being extraterrestrial, and certainly achievable without doping.

While being a good indication of performance, a figure such as this does not prove whether an individual is doping or not. (unless of course there is a significant increase in performance) The possibility of doping always remains.

 

[will10]

Climbing speeds do not prove any individual is clean, even if they are within these so called "human" limits. On that note it is important to look at a rider's previous performances. It is notable if someone makes a leap from average climber to riding away from established climbers, some of whom have served suspensions for their own indiscretions. Just because the winner kicked out "only" 6w/kg, or a measly 5.7w/kg, does not make them clean. That is not power anyone off the street is capable of.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Climbing speeds do not prove any individual is clean, even if they are within these so called "human" limits. On that note it is important to look at a rider's previous performances. It is notable if someone makes a leap from average climber to riding away from established climbers, some of whom have served suspensions for their own indiscretions. Just because the winner kicked out "only" 6w/kg, or a measly 5.7w/kg, does not make them clean. That is not power anyone off the street is capable of.

It also doesn't make them dirty...and last time I checked,"anyone off the street" didn't get pro contracts.

 

[will10]

It also doesn't make them dirty...and last time I checked,"anyone off the street" didn't get pro contracts.

Valid points. So let's take a hypothetical, established pro, kicking out 5w/kg on a finishing climb when in top form. Two seasons later he kicks out 5.8w/kg and climbs away from guys he's previously lost minutes to on MTFs. This ride is within the 'human' limits of 6.0-6.1w/kg. Is our hypothetical rider likely to be clean?

 

[mastersracer]

Valid points. So let's take a hypothetical, established pro, kicking out 5w/kg on a finishing climb when in top form. Two seasons later he kicks out 5.8w/kg and climbs away from guys he's previously lost minutes to on MTFs. This ride is within the 'human' limits of 6.0-6.1w/kg. Is our hypothetical rider likely to be clean?

5 watts/kg won't get you on to the podium in a masters race in So Cal. Your hypothetical rider ain't Richie Porte...

 

[Dazed and Confused]

It also doesn't make them dirty...and last time I checked,"anyone off the street" didn't get pro contracts.

Still Porte beat Schleck's time in a very convincing way from a solo effort against head winds.

and Porte was not dying when he crossed the line.

Here are some results from the stage:

2 Denis MENCHOV KATUSHA TEAM 00:00:26
3 Andrew TALANSKY GARMIN - SHARP 00:00:33
4 Tejay VAN GARDEREN BMC RACING TEAM 00:00:33
5 Diego ULISSI LAMPRE - MERIDA 00:00:33
6 Lieuwe WESTRA VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:00:33
7 Jean-Christophe PERAUD AG2R LA MONDIALE 00:00:33
8 Nairo Alexander QUINTANA ROJAS MOVISTAR TEAM 00:00:33
9 Simon SPILAK KATUSHA TEAM 00:00:33
10 Michele SCARPONI LAMPRE - MERIDA 00:00:33
11 Jonathan HIVERT SOJASUN 00:00:46

If we take out Menchov, the rest comes in together after mostly wheelsucking Talansky.

I think still Porte is the odd man out, just like Contador was it in 2009.

 

[will10]

5 watts/kg won't get you on to the podium in a masters race in So Cal. Your hypothetical rider ain't Richie Porte...

Course he's not, he's hypothetical.

 

[cineteq]

Still Porte beat Schleck's time in a very convincing way from a solo effort against head winds.

and Porte was not dying when he crossed the line.

Here are some results from the stage:

2 Denis MENCHOV KATUSHA TEAM 00:00:26
3 Andrew TALANSKY GARMIN - SHARP 00:00:33
4 Tejay VAN GARDEREN BMC RACING TEAM 00:00:33
5 Diego ULISSI LAMPRE - MERIDA 00:00:33
6 Lieuwe WESTRA VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:00:33
7 Jean-Christophe PERAUD AG2R LA MONDIALE 00:00:33
8 Nairo Alexander QUINTANA ROJAS MOVISTAR TEAM 00:00:33

That's the common sense I like to see. It's the HOW that's worrying.

 

[mastersracer]

Still Porte beat Schleck's time in a very convincing way from a solo effort against head winds.

and Porte was not dying when he crossed the line.

Here are some results from the stage:

2 Denis MENCHOV KATUSHA TEAM 00:00:26
3 Andrew TALANSKY GARMIN - SHARP 00:00:33
4 Tejay VAN GARDEREN BMC RACING TEAM 00:00:33
5 Diego ULISSI LAMPRE - MERIDA 00:00:33
6 Lieuwe WESTRA VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:00:33
7 Jean-Christophe PERAUD AG2R LA MONDIALE 00:00:33
8 Nairo Alexander QUINTANA ROJAS MOVISTAR TEAM 00:00:33
9 Simon SPILAK KATUSHA TEAM 00:00:33
10 Michele SCARPONI LAMPRE - MERIDA 00:00:33
11 Jonathan HIVERT SOJASUN 00:00:46

If we take out Menchov, the rest comes in together after mostly wheelsucking Talansky.

I think still Porte is the odd man out, just like Contador was it in 2009.

comparison of 2009 and 2013 times on the climb. Aggregated top 50 times. 33 are from 2013, indicating conditions were more favorable for fast ascent times. Contado/Schleck/Sanchez are the outliers.

1. Alberto Contador ----- ESP | 33:52 | 2009
-2. Richie Porte ----------AUS | 34:44 | 2013
-3. Frank Schleck -------- LUX | 34:50 | 2009
-4. Luis Leon Sanchez ---- ESP | 34:50 | 2009
-5. Denis Menchov -------- RUS | 35:00 | 2013
-6. Andrew Talansky ------ USA | 35:17 | 2013
-7. Tejay van Garderen ----USA | 35:17 | 2013
-8. Diego Ulissi ----------ITA | 35:17 | 2013
-9. Lieuwe Westra -------- NED | 35:17 | 2013
10. Jean-Christophe Peraud FRA | 35:!7 | 2013

11. Nairo Quintana ------- COL | 35:17 | 2013
12. Simon Spilak ----------SLO | 35:17 | 2013
13. Michele Scarponi ----- ITA | 35:17 | 2013
14. Cadel Evans ---------- AUS | 35:19 | 2009
15. David Moncoutie ------ FRA | 35:19 | 2009
16. Jens Voigt ------------GER | 35:21 | 2009
17. Samuel Sanchez ------- ESP | 35:23 | 2009
18. Jonathan Hivert -------FRA | 35:26 | 2009
19. Jonathan Hivert -------FRA | 35:30 | 2013
20. Sylvain Chavanel ----- FRA | 35:30 | 2013

21. Andreas Klöden --------GER | 35:30 | 2013
22. Peter Velits --------- SVK | 35:33 | 2013
23. Nicolas Roche -------- IRL | 35:33 | 2013
24. Daniel Navarro-------- ESP | 35:33 | 2013
25. Alberto Losada --------ESP | 35:33 | 2013
26. Chris Anker Sörensen - DEN | 35:38 | 2009
27. Sandy Casar ---------- FRA | 35:38 | 2009
28. Kevin Seeldrayers -----BEL | 35:42 | 2009
29. Sylvain Chavanel ------FRA | 35:42 | 2009
30. Andrei Grivko -------- UKR | 35:46 | 2013

31. David Lopez ---------- ESP | 35:50 | 2013
32. Amael Moinard -------- FRA | 35:54 | 2009
33. Christophe Le Mevel -- FRA | 35:54 | 2009
34. Juri Trofimov -------- RUS | 35:54 | 2009
35. Antonio Colom -------- ESP | 35:58 | 2009
36. Bart de Clercq ------- BEL | 36:01 | 2013
37. Enrico Gasparotto ---- ITA | 36:01 | 2013
38. Gorka Izagirre ------- ESP | 36:10 | 2013
39. Maxime Bouet --------- FRA | 36:12 | 2013
40. Arnold Jeannesson ---- FRA | 36:12 | 2013

41. Romain Bardet -------- FRA | 36:12 | 2013
42. Jegor Silin -----------RUS | 36:29 | 2013
43. Eduard Vorganov ------ RUS | 36:29 | 2013
44. Christophe Le Mevel -- FRA | 36:32 | 2013
45. Alessandro De Marchi - ITA | 36:32 | 2013
46. Davide Malacarne ----- ITA | 36:34 | 2013
47. Stefan Denifl ---------AUT | 36:37 | 2013
48. Maxime Monfort ------- BEL | 36:37 | 2013
49. Robert Kiserlovski -.--CRO | 36:37 | 2013
50. Vladimir Efimkin ------RUS | 36:39 | 2009

 

[Netserk]

comparison of 2009 and 2013 times on the climb. Aggregated top 50 times. 33 are from 2013, indicating conditions were more favorable for fast ascent times. Contado/Schleck/Sanchez are the outliers.

Since that there was tailwind in '09 and headwind in '13, here's another conclusion one can draw:

The peloton was dirtier in '13 than '09.

 

[The Tibetan Hat]

I'm no defender of Sky but...

Cav had more climbing talent than Froome. Actually EBH was easily the best climber in 2010 in Sky, he may win all 3 GT's a few years later

Edit:
From Giro 2010 Monte Grappa stage:
23. FROOME Chris SKY 04'46"
24. PORTE Richie SAX 04'46"

I think that moment Brailsford realized that Froome and Porte would be the best climbers ever

That's a classic post for the Clinic. Cherry pick a result from years ago as proof of doping. Whatever happened on that day definitely tells us everything about what either rider is doing right now.

Presumably if EBH wins a GT we'll see his times posted from random MTFs too, so he's got to remember, any slack day now, any mechanical, any stomach bug, basically anything that might mean he doesn't exhaust himself on every uphill is evidence against him come the future, at least with some of you guys anyway.

 

[Netserk]

I'm no defender of Sky but...



That's a classic post for the Clinic. Cherry pick a result from years ago as proof of doping. Whatever happened on that day definitely tells us everything about what either rider is doing right now.

Presumably if EBH wins a GT we'll see his times posted from random MTFs too, so he's got to remember, any slack day now, any mechanical, any stomach bug, basically anything that might mean he doesn't exhaust himself on every uphill is evidence against him come the future, at least with some of you guys anyway.

You're welcome to show the most impressive result from Froome in the mountains before Vuelta '11.

 

[Lanark]

I'm no defender of Sky but...



That's a classic post for the Clinic. Cherry pick a result from years ago as proof of doping. Whatever happened on that day definitely tells us everything about what either rider is doing right now.

Presumably if EBH wins a GT we'll see his times posted from random MTFs too, so he's got to remember, any slack day now, any mechanical, any stomach bug, basically anything that might mean he doesn't exhaust himself on every uphill is evidence against him come the future, at least with some of you guys anyway.

It's not really cherry picking thougn, that is probably one of their best results from those days.