Rigoberto Uran discussion thread.

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

if he gets his old ITT skills back.

He won't.

The ITT is good for him and at the end you depend of the petrol you have inside.
Uran was in the past one year all the winter in the Medellin velodrome, but hehas been focused in other issues the last years.

I mean...

A lot of people are suddenly surprised with Uran's climbing. But he is NOT suddenly climbing two levels above of what he was doing in the past two years. He almost won Lombardia last year (if he was only able to put as good final sprint as he is doing in this year's TdF...), he outclimbed Nibali, Valverde and Chavez on some of the MTFs in last year's Giro (he fell ill so he lost time on other stages), he was inside top5 on queen stages of many WT races within the last two years.
What he has not done in the last two years is to ride a competitive ITT. He is just not competitive in that discipline nowadays. Cannondale's budget shortage and therefore lack of aero work might be the reason for that (and maybe Cannondale TT bikes are just not that good in themselves compared to the equipment he had at Etixx).

It's not like he will suddenly ride as good TT as he used to because he is in much better form than in recent time because he isn't. He is maybe just a tiny bit better than his other top performances within last 2 years, but not by much. People are reading way too much from the fact that he didn't have a competitive GT overall result since 2014. He has been climbing well but TT-ing badly in other events.

Must say I'm even worried by Landa who rode some very respectable ITTs recently.

Uran was better than Bardet in this year Basque Country ITT, and the same level showed in Romandie, around 30th. That is not too much, but he wasnt so well as he is now, and at the end of a GT it is most important your level. He beated Froome in the ITT in Vuelta 2014, but that year Rigo was really good at TT and Froome did a mistake at the begning of the ITT that made him to lose that Vuelta. Of course today is not at the level to beat Froome in an ITT, but if he show tomorrow he is stronger than Froome in the climbs, with the yellow he could be close to Froome in the ITT. Froome is a destroyer in an ITT with a climb at the end of a GT, but anyway everything is possible.



EFE
Actualizado a 19-07-2017 19:07

El colombiano Rigoberto Urán consideró que la decimoséptima etapa del Tour de Francia fue muy buena para él, porque logró el segundo puesto, la

segunda plaza de la general y aventajó a un rival importante como el italiano Fabio Aru.

"Se han ganado segundos importantes. Distanciamos a Aru, que es un ciclista importante que hay que tener en cuenta hasta el final. Es una buena etapa para mí", indicó el ciclista colombiano, que está a 27 segundos del líder, el británico Chris Froome.

El corredor del Cannondale aseguró que ha sentido que controlaba la situación.

"Estamos en la tercera semana y subiendo un puerto a 2.700 metros. Había que saber llevar y controlar", comentó.

Urán indicó que era complicado atacar al líder por la fortaleza de su equipo.

"Hay un equipo muy fuerte como Sky, que lleva muy bien la carrera, pero se ha hecho todo muy bien", señaló.

Urán afirmó que tratarán de hacer algo importante mañana en la última etapa alpina, con meta en el puerto de categoría especial del Izoard.

"Mañana hay un final en alto muy duro, ya somos segundos en la general y vamos a seguir trabajando", comentó.

He will try somthing tomorrow, today he feared SKY.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

Bardet complained about the fact Uran only follows wheels ...

But of course. At this moment Uran has his number. It is up to Bardet to attack. Besides I thought Bardet was fighting for the win not the podium. Uran probably does not have the same objective.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Bardet complained about the fact Uran only follows wheels ...

But of course. At this moment Uran has his number. It is up to Bardet to attack. Besides I thought Bardet was fighting for the win not the podium. Uran probably does not have the same objective.

If you read the interview I have just posted you will see he will try to win, although he is not taking lot of risk on that. People as Quintana, Uran, or others, are most diesel than people as Contador, Bardet, Aru, Chavez, who are more explosives and has not a big rpoblem to attack and recover...but people as Quintana or Rigo if they get the righ moment to attack can do more damage than the others.

Anyway to really try to get the Tour for Uran means not to attack at one or two Km to the finish, but before casse deserte.. It is true than in the hard last Km of Izoard you can put half a minute to a rider in crisis, but you need more than this distance to be sure you are going to do damage. It could be enough Casse desserte, we see how one day Froome lost 20 seconds in 300 hard meters, but it shoud be a first attack at about 5 Km to the end ot something that make Froome to get tired.

 

[SafeBet]

Still have that gut feeling. Ag2r going berserk early, Froome cracking for whatever reason, Uran with a sharp attack to take yellow on Izoard.
Yeah I know I'm crazy.

 

[DanielSong39]

Barring unusual Uran strength or Froome weakness tomorrow, maybe he should go for a ST and hope he strikes jackpot in the ITT lottery?

Maybe a 1 in 20 chance, but that's better than blowing up and finishing off the podium.

 

[Frankschleck]

Re:

Barring unusual Uran strength or Froome weakness tomorrow, maybe he should go for a ST and hope he strikes jackpot in the ITT lottery?

Maybe a 1 in 20 chance, but that's better than blowing up and finishing off the podium.

agreed, if i was uran, i would take my chances on the time trial.

 

[Billie]

Rigo only needs some Aldag magic and a Spec on saturday to win the tour


he lacks the mindset for it though

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

Still have that gut feeling. Ag2r going berserk early, Froome cracking for whatever reason, Uran with a sharp attack to take yellow on Izoard.
Yeah I know I'm crazy.

Froome doesnt need to crak, he is not a pure climber, after several mountain stages and especially after today hard stage it would be normal he will lose tomorrow time with climbers in good shape, as he use to do in the last mountain stage, or the best stage for pure climbers of the last week.

With Quintana and Purito in Semmonz in 2013

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24048

2014 he crsahed

2015 he lost 1 20 qith Quintana in Alp Dhuez

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27958

And the same last year in Morzine with Bardet, Quintana, Purito, etc,,,

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29945

So that would be the normal situation even f Froome is at his best shape of his life, but it is not the same to lose 20 seconds than a minute

 

[Forever The Best]

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

 

[Billie]

Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

lol. Uran is nothing like Gerrans.

Gerrans was a winner. You can fault Gerrans for some things but one thing you can clearly see is that he has a winning mindset. If he had a chance to win he would fully use that opportunity.


Uran on the other hand..

When he was about to sprint for olympic gold he looked the wrong way
When he was in Pink in il Giro he stopped to put on his jacket right as his main competitor was attacking him.
When he makes the main selection in the final lap of the World championships he missed a corner.

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

Still have that gut feeling. Ag2r going berserk early, Froome cracking for whatever reason, Uran with a sharp attack to take yellow on Izoard.
Yeah I know I'm crazy.

Froome doesnt need to crak, he is not a pure climber, after several mountain stages and especially after today hard stage it would be normal he will lose tomorrow time with climbers in good shape, as he use to do in the last mountain stage, or the best stage for pure climbers of the last week.

With Quintana and Purito in Semmonz in 2013

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24048

2014 he crsahed

2015 he lost 1 20 qith Quintana in Alp Dhuez

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27958

And the same last year in Morzine with Bardet, Quintana, Purito, etc,,,

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29945

So that would be the normal situation even f Froome is at his best shape of his life, but it is not the same to lose 20 seconds than a minute

It has been my understanding from the Froome contingent of fans that many of those time losses are due to Froome having a comfortable enough lead at the time that he only needed to minimize his losses and control the gap.

 

[Forever The Best]

Re: Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

lol. Uran is nothing like Gerrans.

Gerrans was a winner. You can fault Gerrans for some things but one thing you can clearly see is that he has a winning mindset. If he had a chance to win he would fully use that opportunity.


Uran on the other hand..

When he was about to sprint for olympic gold he looked the wrong way
When he was in Pink in il Giro he stopped to put on his jacket right as his main competitor was attacking him.
When he makes the main selection in the final lap of the World championships he missed a corner.

That's why I said Gerrans won races unlike Uran. Though Gerrans lost 2014 WCH because of his wheelsucking. (he didn't take any pulls from what I remember. If he had taken some pulls, there was a high chance he could have won it as well)

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

You can see just some of his attacks on this video, I remeber about 5 more. But yes, he has more meritable moments than attacks, but he has lot of attacks on his career although you dont know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uX4T7zkl4A

 

[Forever The Best]

Re: Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

You can see just some of his attacks on this video, I remeber about 5 more. But yes, he has mos meritable moments than attacks, but he has lot of attacks on his career although you dont know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uX4T7zkl4A

He was an attacking rider in his Unibet-Caisse and also Sky days. I also remember trying to win a stage at the end of 2015 Giro when with Quick Step. But I haven't seen any attacks from him the last 2 years (in Cannondale). (and no, the ones where he goes, then stops 50m after aren't counted-he attacked once on Foix, but he attacked on the flat so it wasn't going to succeed)

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

You can see just some of his attacks on this video, I remeber about 5 more. But yes, he has mos meritable moments than attacks, but he has lot of attacks on his career although you dont know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uX4T7zkl4A

He was an attacking rider in his Unibet-Caisse and also Sky days. I also remember trying to win a stage at the end of 2015 Giro when with Quick Step. But I haven't seen any attacks from him the last 2 years (in Cannondale). (and no, the ones where he goes, then stops 50m after aren't counted-he attacked once on Foix, but he attacked on the flat so it wasn't going to succeed)

The first attack after his first victory in Tour de Suisse with 20 years old I remerber it was in GP Hamburg, and he was close to win after a 5 Km attack on the flat, with just 21 years, so..

I count the other day short break away as an attack becouse he tried and he stoped when he was almost caught. It was a mini attack, but it was one, it cpudl have been succed better than an attack today in Galibier.

He attacked at least last year in GP Quebec, but he didnt succed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IfbQONdzCA

I am not sure if he attacked in his good Lombardia lasta year when he was third, but he put in first position at 200 meters to the line,

 

[Forever The Best]

Re: Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

You can see just some of his attacks on this video, I remeber about 5 more. But yes, he has mos meritable moments than attacks, but he has lot of attacks on his career although you dont know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uX4T7zkl4A

He was an attacking rider in his Unibet-Caisse and also Sky days. I also remember trying to win a stage at the end of 2015 Giro when with Quick Step. But I haven't seen any attacks from him the last 2 years (in Cannondale). (and no, the ones where he goes, then stops 50m after aren't counted-he attacked once on Foix, but he attacked on the flat so it wasn't going to succeed)

The first attack after his first victory in Tour de Suisse with 20 years old I remerber it was in GP Hamburg, and he was close to win after a 5 Km attack on the flat, with just 21 years, so..

I count the other day short break away as an attack becouse he tried and he stoped when he was almost caught. It was a mini attack, but it was one, it cpudl have been succed better than an attack today in Galibier.

He attacked at least last year in GP Quebec, but he didnt succed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IfbQONdzCA

I am not sure if he attacked in his good Lombardia lasta year when he was third, but he put in first position at 200 meters to the line,

So he has attacked twice since start of 2016. Wow.
I also don't remember him attacking in 2014. He was aggressive and attacking in 2015 though, he made more attacks in 2015 than 2014, 2016 and 2017 combined.

PS: He followed wheels on 2016 Lombardia, didn't attack (from what I remember). Chavito was the aggressive rider.

 

[Monstre du Cyclisme]

Why should Rigoberto attack tomorrow? His tactic is clearly panning out. He is the fastest guy in every finale and he has a big chance of winning tomorrow's stage. Bardet and Froome both will attack tomorrow and he just has to stay on the wheels. If he suceeds, he will win the stage as well as have a place on the podium. Only if he felt incredibly strong an attack would make any sense. He has a lot to lose, a spot on the podium is clearly very important to him. Racing is not only about winning, especially not in a GT important as the Tour. It would be by far his biggest achievement of his entire career. Securing the podium spot in the first place is quite rational for a guy like him. It's different with Bardet, he has his podium place already and whole France is expecting a victory after a 32-years drought.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

Why should Rigoberto attack tomorrow? His tactic is clearly panning out. He is the fastest guy in every finale and he has a big chance of winning tomorrow's stage. Bardet and Froome both will attack tomorrow and he just has to stay on the wheels. If he suceeds, he will win the stage as well as have a place on the podium. Only if he felt incredibly strong an attack would make any sense. He has a lot to lose, a spot on the podium is clearly very important to him. Racing is not only about winning, especially not in a GT important as the Tour. It would be by far his biggest achievement of his entire career. Securing the podium spot in the first place is quite rational for a guy like him. It's different with Bardet, he has his podium place already and whole France is expecting a victory after a 32-years drought.

Uran shoud attack tomorrow to win the Tour de France, do you think is a bad argument? It is the dream of any rider and what he always promise when he started pro, to be a Tour de France winner.

UNZUE SAID THEY LEARNED uRAN FOR 3 YEARS TO MAKE A tOUR WINNER.
tHE MANAGER OF uNIBET SAID uRAN WILL BE THE BETTER cOLOMBIAN RIDER EVER, BTTER THAN lUCHO hERRERA OR pARRA.

Unzue said they would teach him for 3 years to be a TdF winner.
The Unibet Manager said he would be the best colombiar rider ever, better than Lucho Herrera or Parra.

Rigo had very bad luck some years in key moments, but he managed to be second in two Giros (Italy was his first country in Europe) with very bad weather, when he is much better with the sun of the Tour.

It cant be a surprise for anybody who followed Uran closely since he started cycling to see him here, and ees when he is 30, the best age for cycling. The pity s that the team is weak.

A rider is sick in a key race and people forget him as a GT winner rider.. trhat is how the wold works out.

 

[Escarabajo]

Show up to a thread of a rider just to criticize. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just criticize. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

The Colombian Gerrans. Though unlike Uran, Gerrans won some important races, including 2 monuments.

You can see just some of his attacks on this video, I remeber about 5 more. But yes, he has mos meritable moments than attacks, but he has lot of attacks on his career although you dont know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uX4T7zkl4A

He was an attacking rider in his Unibet-Caisse and also Sky days. I also remember trying to win a stage at the end of 2015 Giro when with Quick Step. But I haven't seen any attacks from him the last 2 years (in Cannondale). (and no, the ones where he goes, then stops 50m after aren't counted-he attacked once on Foix, but he attacked on the flat so it wasn't going to succeed)

The first attack after his first victory in Tour de Suisse with 20 years old I remerber it was in GP Hamburg, and he was close to win after a 5 Km attack on the flat, with just 21 years, so..

I count the other day short break away as an attack becouse he tried and he stoped when he was almost caught. It was a mini attack, but it was one, it cpudl have been succed better than an attack today in Galibier.

He attacked at least last year in GP Quebec, but he didnt succed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IfbQONdzCA

I am not sure if he attacked in his good Lombardia lasta year when he was third, but he put in first position at 200 meters to the line,

So he has attacked twice since start of 2016. Wow.
I also don't remember him attacking in 2014. He was aggressive and attacking in 2015 though, he made more attacks in 2015 than 2014, 2016 and 2017 combined.

PS: He followed wheels on 2016 Lombardia, didn't attack (from what I remember). Chavito was the aggressive rider.

At the end cyclist are rated by his level, not his attacks. But of course if he need to attack or the moment is good for that, he will do.

Chaves attacked in Lombardia, but the strongest reliefs before Bergamo alta came by Uran.
Chaves ir more explosive, he had to attack.
Some people has easier than others to attack, but that dont became them better cyclist than others more diesel. Just differente, and maybe more apreciatte for cycling fans, but no more.

 

[Taxus4a]

If tomorrow Rigo attack just once, or just he didnt attack, but Froome crack, and he managed to win le Tour in the last ITT, he will win the best stage race in the world, and he will have done the correct way.

Contador has done lot of attacks, but cycling objetive is not that. It is good, of course, better than follow wheels and to be anonymous, but some attacks from Contador ths Tour give me sorrow. He waste people as Pantano or Mollema to do what he did today? he didnt succed that Alp D Huez stage he attacked in Telegraphe, but at least he showed a good level, today he was just one rider more in the break, as Atapuma or Pauwels.

So if you think Contador 9th place is more meritable than Uran second position, you are wrong.

 

[Forever The Best]

Re:

Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.

If he was very bad in the ITT of basque country, how was Bardet?
Uran was 33, and he put 28 second to Bardet, 50.

But you cant compare, Uran is good at the end of a GT if the health is ok.
I dont like to compare with that era becouse is totally different, luckily, but what good ITT did Pantani before his 3rd place in the last ITT of the Tour he won in 1998??
Rigo is able to do a good ITT, not as when he beated Froome and Contador in la Vuelta, or he won the stage in the Giro, but quite good, becouse he is in so good shape that then, or even better. If he did he can be close, for sure.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.

Contador won a Giro by regularity, succking wheels, not wining any stage (Rigo got one this Tour) and all his fans praise that Giro.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Still have that gut feeling. Ag2r going berserk early, Froome cracking for whatever reason, Uran with a sharp attack to take yellow on Izoard.
Yeah I know I'm crazy.

Froome doesnt need to crak, he is not a pure climber, after several mountain stages and especially after today hard stage it would be normal he will lose tomorrow time with climbers in good shape, as he use to do in the last mountain stage, or the best stage for pure climbers of the last week.

With Quintana and Purito in Semmonz in 2013

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24048

2014 he crsahed

2015 he lost 1 20 qith Quintana in Alp Dhuez

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27958

And the same last year in Morzine with Bardet, Quintana, Purito, etc,,,

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29945

So that would be the normal situation even f Froome is at his best shape of his life, but it is not the same to lose 20 seconds than a minute

It has been my understanding from the Froome contingent of fans that many of those time losses are due to Froome having a comfortable enough lead at the time that he only needed to minimize his losses and control the gap.

I didnt see that, but of course he had the margin to regulate and dont risk a real crack..but of you can, you follow your rivals, that is fr sure.

Froome is a monster rider, but he is not a pure climber, with quaity pure climbers in good shape, he will lose time after several mountain stages.. not coming from the flat.. in that case is Froome who will put time to the pure climbers.