Surprise of the Tour - not many had him down for a podium contender in June. With Porte crashing out it's helped, but he's done the best he could. Chapeau!
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As a Rigo fan, I was also hoping for an attack, to fight for the highest prize road cycling has to offer. However, giving his poor team, his previous two lackluster years, his need to secure a contract
In all honesty, he ran the smartest race. Probably, with more confidence and/or a better team support he could have tried a Zoncolan 2014.
I'll take that his climbing was at Froome's level. But Froome had better TT and better team.
I'll also say he has not had a bad day.
Now, hoping him to make a race that Contador, Quintana or Porte weren't able, is plain wishful thinking... Even the worst Froome is in a different league.
I don't have high hopes for the ITT.
In all honesty, he ran the smartest race. Probably, with more confidence and/or a better team support he could have tried a Zoncolan 2014.
I'll take that his climbing was at Froome's level. But Froome had better TT and better team.
I'll also say he has not had a bad day.
Now, hoping him to make a race that Contador, Quintana or Porte weren't able, is plain wishful thinking... Even the worst Froome is in a different league.
I don't have high hopes for the ITT.
All said - an amazing Tour for him. He has all the answers to Sky. Only rider to do so comfortably. Completely unexpected but an awesome ride.
What is the issue with Cannondale TT bikes? What technological advances does Pinarello have over them?
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Agry with you.
Porte withdrawal IMO didnt help. Porte has never showed as Uran he can hold 3 weeks. He could have been the main threat for Froome or no. When both were SKY domestiques, usually Rigo were after Porte.
With Porte in the race for Rigo would have been easier a counter attack, this way all has been well controlled by SKY, even without Thomas
slosada said:
Agry with you.
Porte withdrawal IMO didnt help. Porte has never showed as Uran he can hold 3 weeks. He could have been the main threat for Froome or no. When both were SKY domestiques, usually Rigo were after Porte.
With Porte in the race for Rigo would have been easier a counter attack, this way all has been well controlled by SKY, even without Thomas
So Rigoberto Uran the rider from Colombia who opened the doorway to...more Colombians entering the pro peloton.
Hats off to him for that.
Now, remove the tranquilo lie he spreads and address this properly.
He's riding, on a team, that squandered his skill for how many years now?
He was at one point, a favourite to win the Giro. Heck, I thought he would win the Giro! Nibali beat him convincingly and he snuck into second ahead of an ailing and still kicking, but older Cadel Evans. They even had a stage removed that year because of the weather! But he still finished second in the Giro...that's really good.
Came back the next year and did another second and was a strong favourite. But Quintana denied him the win. Although Uran had a stunning opening time trial on the flatter roads, he lacked the punch on the uphill one. At the time I was not a fan of the lack of waiting complaint...but, nowadays, they can't expect decorum to hold still and be nice in GC fights. Unless you're Chris Froome and Sky...but we'll leave that for another day.
So, to see, after 2014, Uran just get up and go backwards, for a season was odd. 2013 at Sky, 2014 at Quickstep and there again in 2015. So both Sky and Quickstep put him on the podium in a GT.
It is piercingly odd then that his 2015 Giro was off. Not even a force there. 14th.
Then there was 2016, and he'd left and gone to Cannondale.
The home where riders often have gone and their careers go backwards. Worse, was Dan Martin and Uran switched teams and one got worse and the other improved immensely. It seemed, like Uran was a great time trialist at Quickstep and Cannondale took his mojo.
Is it back?
Hardly. Until he does a really good one...well, his results speak for themselves. Granted he has the pedigree to do one, but anyone over hyping him for Saturday better hope today's stage has echelons and gaps. He needs half a minute on Froome and to be in his 2014 Giro ITT form.
Does he have that?
We'll see.
Now to be really upfront. He raced exactly how I expected Cannondale and Wiggelius/Vaughters would run their squad.
Talansky, Phinney, Clarke and Rollande are capable of doing something in the breaks. Brown is there too right? Him to. Play those cards in numbers for stage breaks, go for the win if it's there, and hope for a GC position. Consolidate half way through eh race and if they have a GC boy, support him (a top 10 for their team is actually solid) and if not, aim for KOM and stage wins. I expected around 10th...if the race was nice.
Somehow, Uran is back in 2014 level. Which to anyone watching cycling, is a BIG shock. Good for him. A podium is enormous for this team at this time in their history.
This result for Cannondale, is the jackpot. Their sports directors are historically cautious. No way was a rider with Uran's history going to take a dig with them in his ear. Not a chance.
So, you all who hoped he'd make a move...what planet have you been living on?
It was always going to be Aru or Bardet making an attack on Froome. Never Uran.
I don't blame them, with a supposed sponsor (JV is always shopping for a sponsor...he's the problem people) being sold onto the squad, some big turn in form, their best play was to HANG ONTO SKY and ride that train.
So they have. Good for them.
This is the problem though. You end up, the perennial brides maid. Uran has done a London 2012 again. He is looking over the wrong shoulder and not actually attacking for the win 200m from the finish line when he is within a shot of winning. Uran was already a rider I equated with silverware.
Would you want that title?
So I expected him to do this...even more so because of his recent form and his team, but, yeah...DUDE, you could possibly have won the darn Tour de France if you'd have taken one pull when Froome was on the ropes.
Is he afraid of winning and being a leader? I'll give it to Froome, he has balls and wants to win. Sky go out and take that jersey.
Somebody please tell Rigoberto Uran, if he did the same, he'd have won a GT by now! It's not like Quintana is the only GT capable Colombian!!
Hats off to him for that.
Now, remove the tranquilo lie he spreads and address this properly.
He's riding, on a team, that squandered his skill for how many years now?
He was at one point, a favourite to win the Giro. Heck, I thought he would win the Giro! Nibali beat him convincingly and he snuck into second ahead of an ailing and still kicking, but older Cadel Evans. They even had a stage removed that year because of the weather! But he still finished second in the Giro...that's really good.
Came back the next year and did another second and was a strong favourite. But Quintana denied him the win. Although Uran had a stunning opening time trial on the flatter roads, he lacked the punch on the uphill one. At the time I was not a fan of the lack of waiting complaint...but, nowadays, they can't expect decorum to hold still and be nice in GC fights. Unless you're Chris Froome and Sky...but we'll leave that for another day.
So, to see, after 2014, Uran just get up and go backwards, for a season was odd. 2013 at Sky, 2014 at Quickstep and there again in 2015. So both Sky and Quickstep put him on the podium in a GT.
It is piercingly odd then that his 2015 Giro was off. Not even a force there. 14th.
Then there was 2016, and he'd left and gone to Cannondale.
The home where riders often have gone and their careers go backwards. Worse, was Dan Martin and Uran switched teams and one got worse and the other improved immensely. It seemed, like Uran was a great time trialist at Quickstep and Cannondale took his mojo.
Is it back?
Hardly. Until he does a really good one...well, his results speak for themselves. Granted he has the pedigree to do one, but anyone over hyping him for Saturday better hope today's stage has echelons and gaps. He needs half a minute on Froome and to be in his 2014 Giro ITT form.
Does he have that?
We'll see.
Now to be really upfront. He raced exactly how I expected Cannondale and Wiggelius/Vaughters would run their squad.
Talansky, Phinney, Clarke and Rollande are capable of doing something in the breaks. Brown is there too right? Him to. Play those cards in numbers for stage breaks, go for the win if it's there, and hope for a GC position. Consolidate half way through eh race and if they have a GC boy, support him (a top 10 for their team is actually solid) and if not, aim for KOM and stage wins. I expected around 10th...if the race was nice.
Somehow, Uran is back in 2014 level. Which to anyone watching cycling, is a BIG shock. Good for him. A podium is enormous for this team at this time in their history.
This result for Cannondale, is the jackpot. Their sports directors are historically cautious. No way was a rider with Uran's history going to take a dig with them in his ear. Not a chance.
So, you all who hoped he'd make a move...what planet have you been living on?
It was always going to be Aru or Bardet making an attack on Froome. Never Uran.
I don't blame them, with a supposed sponsor (JV is always shopping for a sponsor...he's the problem people) being sold onto the squad, some big turn in form, their best play was to HANG ONTO SKY and ride that train.
So they have. Good for them.
This is the problem though. You end up, the perennial brides maid. Uran has done a London 2012 again. He is looking over the wrong shoulder and not actually attacking for the win 200m from the finish line when he is within a shot of winning. Uran was already a rider I equated with silverware.
Would you want that title?
So I expected him to do this...even more so because of his recent form and his team, but, yeah...DUDE, you could possibly have won the darn Tour de France if you'd have taken one pull when Froome was on the ropes.
Is he afraid of winning and being a leader? I'll give it to Froome, he has balls and wants to win. Sky go out and take that jersey.
Somebody please tell Rigoberto Uran, if he did the same, he'd have won a GT by now! It's not like Quintana is the only GT capable Colombian!!
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Peter Sagan and Nibali had zero problems winning races on Cannondale bikes. Neither did Basso.
It's not the equipment.
Bad mechanic? Possibly.
Better option is Garmin/Cannondale aka Vaughters team, lost their time trial coaches to other squads.
In 2009 they had 5 guys put in a KILLER TTT against the might of Astana. They were only slightly slower.
2011 they had a very strong TTT again.
It's not the equipment fellas, it is the riders. They don't train for the ITT well enough. BMC do. Quickstep do. Sky do. Movistar do. Orica do. Lotto NL Jumbo do.
Garmin were once a squad of ITT specialists. Now they're not.
All of this is obvious if you pay attention to the results; they should invest in upcoming time trial specialists like Lotto NL Jumbo did with Roglic. Like BMC have done with Kung and Dennis. That might help the attitude on the team...
Amazinmets87 said:
Peter Sagan and Nibali had zero problems winning races on Cannondale bikes. Neither did Basso.
It's not the equipment.
Bad mechanic? Possibly.
Better option is Garmin/Cannondale aka Vaughters team, lost their time trial coaches to other squads.
In 2009 they had 5 guys put in a KILLER TTT against the might of Astana. They were only slightly slower.
2011 they had a very strong TTT again.
It's not the equipment fellas, it is the riders. They don't train for the ITT well enough. BMC do. Quickstep do. Sky do. Movistar do. Orica do. Lotto NL Jumbo do.
Garmin were once a squad of ITT specialists. Now they're not.
All of this is obvious if you pay attention to the results; they should invest in upcoming time trial specialists like Lotto NL Jumbo did with Roglic. Like BMC have done with Kung and Dennis. That might help the attitude on the team...
A few years ago, I saw Uran as a rider in the mold of Cadel Evans. A very strong time trialist. More than capable of holding his own in the mountains, but better suited to riding a solid tempo than making attacks. A good one-day racer.
I know such riders aren’t everybody’s cup of tea, but they serve an important role in my enjoyment of a stage race. They are like the straight man around which the more pure climbers perform their feats in the mountains. Their presence in a race also encourages the less capable time trialists to be more aggressive. The overall spectacle of the race would be poorer without them.
These types of riders can be frustrating, because they win less, and seem to promise so much more. But I appreciate them, and I especially enjoy when every now and then they have their day, like Uran’s amazing single-speed stage win on stage 9.
I don’t have any confidence that Uran has rediscovered his time trial ability, and I see no chance that he can make any time on Chris Froome, even if he has. Still, I think he could be good enough to take second spot, and that would be a terrific result for both him and his team.
I know such riders aren’t everybody’s cup of tea, but they serve an important role in my enjoyment of a stage race. They are like the straight man around which the more pure climbers perform their feats in the mountains. Their presence in a race also encourages the less capable time trialists to be more aggressive. The overall spectacle of the race would be poorer without them.
These types of riders can be frustrating, because they win less, and seem to promise so much more. But I appreciate them, and I especially enjoy when every now and then they have their day, like Uran’s amazing single-speed stage win on stage 9.
I don’t have any confidence that Uran has rediscovered his time trial ability, and I see no chance that he can make any time on Chris Froome, even if he has. Still, I think he could be good enough to take second spot, and that would be a terrific result for both him and his team.
He can take second spot and on a crazy day the MJ.
Not by straight win but this is very interesting route and so so technical. Now Froome has never been this tight margin and with this slightly hassle mindset that catches him every once and while - technical problems, hitting the floor..There might juuust be a small shakyness in Dawgs hands and legs. Don't tell anybody. :redface:
Who knows..With these margins: dropped chain, even small crash at the roundabout and its gone, right? Uran is clearly leaner these days and I don't excpect him to be as fast as used to be on tt's, but quite handy man on a bike and this route may be his, if he just puts some perm in his attitude, that's his thing after all!
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Vuelta_a_Espana_2014_Stage_10_Borja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftXmvnL0ZOc
Thumbs up for the underdog!
Not by straight win but this is very interesting route and so so technical. Now Froome has never been this tight margin and with this slightly hassle mindset that catches him every once and while - technical problems, hitting the floor..There might juuust be a small shakyness in Dawgs hands and legs. Don't tell anybody. :redface:
Who knows..With these margins: dropped chain, even small crash at the roundabout and its gone, right? Uran is clearly leaner these days and I don't excpect him to be as fast as used to be on tt's, but quite handy man on a bike and this route may be his, if he just puts some perm in his attitude, that's his thing after all!
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Vuelta_a_Espana_2014_Stage_10_Borja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftXmvnL0ZOc
Thumbs up for the underdog!
I share the opinion of others in here. That I don't have confidence in his TT abilities on Saturday.
Having said that Chapeau to Urán for a great race. I understand his position and that of the team ATM. So whether he couldn't or didn't want to risk it they needed to make sure that he was in the podium as first priority.
Having said that Chapeau to Urán for a great race. I understand his position and that of the team ATM. So whether he couldn't or didn't want to risk it they needed to make sure that he was in the podium as first priority.
don't understand this fanboyism. if every other rider of the top5 was riding as he is, they'd be hated and criticized into oblivion already. props to Bardet, Martin, Froome, Aru, Contador, Nairo for repeated tries despite being on the limit.
god i hope the podium in Paris will be Froome, Bardet, Landa (not necessarily in that order).
god i hope the podium in Paris will be Froome, Bardet, Landa (not necessarily in that order).
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No he wouldn't. Only Bardet is criticized and just because he declared he's going for the win at any cost, podium doesn't interest him, blah, blah. And then he failed to do what he talked. Uran kept his mouth shut and rode, and he rode very well. Podium is huge for him, and for his team especially.
glassmoon said:
No he wouldn't. Only Bardet is criticized and just because he declared he's going for the win at any cost, podium doesn't interest him, blah, blah. And then he failed to do what he talked. Uran kept his mouth shut and rode, and he rode very well. Podium is huge for him, and for his team especially.
Battle for second place will be interesting tomorrow. I see it as very close between Bardet and Uran, possibly with the slight edge to Uran given he might find some of his 2014 time trialing abilities. He won't be nowhere near as good as he was back then though.
These are some of the things I see from a rider before a big (successful) attack:
- They look to be at ease on their bikes
- Their cadence goes down because they're on a bigger gear
- They start looking around
- All of a sudden, they push it on a big gear for 5-10 seconds and immediately open up a gap. They gear down after that and ride tempo, until they extend the lead to 10-15 seconds
- If they're strong, they keep extending the lead all the way to the line
I haven't seen Uran or Bardet reach this situation all tour so it's not a surprise that they didn't try an attack.
- They look to be at ease on their bikes
- Their cadence goes down because they're on a bigger gear
- They start looking around
- All of a sudden, they push it on a big gear for 5-10 seconds and immediately open up a gap. They gear down after that and ride tempo, until they extend the lead to 10-15 seconds
- If they're strong, they keep extending the lead all the way to the line
I haven't seen Uran or Bardet reach this situation all tour so it's not a surprise that they didn't try an attack.
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I despise your double standard.
Rigoberto yesterday morning: "Today is an important day if I want to win this Tour. It will be difficult but today, I believe, is the day I have to try something"Blanco said:
I despise your double standard.
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BTW, his earlier answer on whether he would attack on stage 18, "you should ask Bardet", was pure gold.
LOLZ. Quite the categorical, unrestrained statement of intent there. McArthur's "I shall return" is a couched trifle next to that.Alexandre B. said:
BTW, his earlier answer on whether he would attack on stage 18, "you should ask Bardet", was pure gold.
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Don't CDale sponsored athletes win (place) triathlons all of the time?
I'm not sure that the Slice is much less slippery than other WT bikes. Without actually knowing what goes on behind the scenes, I wonder if CDale-Drapac's limited budget doesn't have room for much TT setup time (wind tunnel etc...).Amazinmets87 said:
Don't CDale sponsored athletes win (place) triathlons all of the time?
The performance chances are very low but in the actual chances you have to factor in potential mishaps to Froome. If the probability of the potential of mishap is 5% then it should be closer to that number. Even with the mishap if Froome manages to lose 15 seconds to let's say a flat, that is still not enough to beat him. So the probability of victory would be lower than 5%.
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Proposal: everyone here who said Uran would never ever be able to win the Tour (myself included) should eat a bucket of horsecrap if tomorrow Froome has a mechanical and ends up losing enough time for Uran to win the Tour.
Frankschleck said:
Proposal: everyone here who said Uran would never ever be able to win the Tour (myself included) should eat a bucket of horsecrap if tomorrow Froome has a mechanical and ends up losing enough time for Uran to win the Tour.
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