Rigoberto Uran discussion thread.

[Forever The Best]

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Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.

If he was very bad in the ITT of basque country, how was Bardet?
Uran was 33, and he put 28 second to Bardet, 50.

But you cant compare, Uran is good at the end of a GT if the health is ok.
I dont like to compare with that era becouse is totally different, luckily, but what good ITT did Pantani before his 3rd place in the last ITT of the Tour he won in 1998??
Rigo is able to do a good ITT, not as when he beated Froome and Contador in la Vuelta, or he won the stage in the Giro, but quite good, becouse he is in so good shape that then, or even better. If he did he can be close, for sure.

Aru and Bardet are also bad time trialers. (Bardet actually abysmal this year) But I was rather talking about Uran vs Froome since you said if Froome cracks and Uran wins the Tour on the final TT, he will have done it the correct way.

[quote="Forever The Best":3nhk4tpn][quote="Escarabajo":3nhk4tpn]Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.[/quote]


Contador won a Giro by regularity, succking wheels, not wining any stage (Rigo got one this Tour) and all his fans praise that Giro.[/quote]They are praising that Giro because he won it. He was much weaker than Ricco on all uphill finishes (and weaker than Di Luca, Menchov, Simoni, Pellizotti, Pozzovivo in some, and of course Sella who lost huge time in the previous days) yet he won the Giro because he defended himself well. Uran did nothing all race except following (or except that attack ion the flat on the stage to Foix which wasn't gonna succeed), and with a TT to go he has to attack Froome if he wants to win the race.

 

[diegocamilo410]

Uran first stage ITT performance:

"Early on, Uran lost time, finishing only 95th in the opening time trial. Normally good against the clock – particularly for a climber – his concentration was rattled when the UCI commissaires decided that his TT handlebar position didn’t conform to the setup regulations five minutes before his start time.

According to Uran and Vaughters, a different commissiare had green-lighted it two hours beforehand. The team was left with insufficient time to change the position of the bars, and so he had to quickly change to a spare bike. That affected his TT and he lost 49 seconds to the stage winner Geraint Thomas."

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/yellow-mind-uran-poised-strike-tour-de-france-everything-possible/

 

[glassmoon]

Uran sucks.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.

If he was very bad in the ITT of basque country, how was Bardet?
Uran was 33, and he put 28 second to Bardet, 50.

But you cant compare, Uran is good at the end of a GT if the health is ok.
I dont like to compare with that era becouse is totally different, luckily, but what good ITT did Pantani before his 3rd place in the last ITT of the Tour he won in 1998??
Rigo is able to do a good ITT, not as when he beated Froome and Contador in la Vuelta, or he won the stage in the Giro, but quite good, becouse he is in so good shape that then, or even better. If he did he can be close, for sure.

Aru and Bardet are also bad time trialers. (Bardet actually abysmal this year) But I was rather talking about Uran vs Froome since you said if Froome cracks and Uran wins the Tour on the final TT, he will have done it the correct way.

[quote="Forever The Best":1c1hsn7s][quote="Escarabajo":1c1hsn7s]Show up to a thread of a rider just to insult. nothing else, no new information no constructive comment. Just insult. No matter if is having a fantastic race.

Go figure.

So saying that Uran is wheelsucking is insulting?

@Taxus4a Diesels can set a high pace to drop everyone, like Basso. Uran is just following since the start of 2016.(except 2 attacks)
Also, Uran is an abysmal TTer for the last 2 years or so. Even though he was climbing very strong on Tirreno and PV he was very bad on the TT.

Contador won a Giro by regularity, succking wheels, not wining any stage (Rigo got one this Tour) and all his fans praise that Giro.[/quote]They are praising that Giro because he won it. He was much weaker than Ricco on all uphill finishes (and weaker than Di Luca, Menchov, Simoni, Pellizotti, Pozzovivo in some, and of course Sella who lost huge time in the previous days) yet he won the Giro because he defended himself well. Uran did nothing all race except following (or except that attack ion the flat on the stage to Foix which wasn't gonna succeed), and with a TT to go he has to attack Froome if he wants to win the race.[/quote]

And today is the day to attack considering all the factors. Uran characteristics, Froome characteristics, super team sky, end of the stage and end of the Tour.

Uran has defending very well as well as Contador did, and if he win I dont see the difference with that Giro. Yes, Urán won a stage.

If he cant win but he try properly today and drops Froome even if he doenst take the yellow it would be a good Tour for him and nothing to say.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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Uran is not a leader - he's just following team orders and will continue to do so.

He'll attack if and when Vaughters tells him to...

Froome is demanding, as Nairo is. Nibali and Contador are ambitious. Urán doesn't fit either profile.

However, Urán is not shy. He's in fact very extroverted. He can rally a team around him, mostly with motivation.
IMHO, looks like he's afraid of cracking if he has to attack or work from afar.

Henao, on the contrary, doesn't seem with that type of personality.

I know he's outgoing, but he's also a follower. Both can be true. If he's THAT afraid of blowing up to not take a pull when Bardet finally went on that 1st category climb on the way to Le Puy, then he's extremely risk averse. He easily closed the gap, and could have taken a half-hearted pull so Bardet would have kept going.

They both had a teammate up the road as well, and the climb was doable at that point for someone of Uran's characteristics. It was no Galibier.

 

[Taxus4a]

The only problem I see today is that for both Uran and Bardet to tale yellow would be important.
Both has dressed the white jersey, but not yellow, and possbile the first to attack dont take that yellow, but as the same time thay have to attack from at leasy 4 for the end to try to take yellow..it is possible to put 1 minute after Casse deserte, just in the last 2 Km, but Froome should be bad as in Peyragudes.

The hope is that Aru attack first and Froome follow him and get tired, but it is possible that if Bardet and Uran both drop Froome they dont collaborate properly thinking in to take yellow for one day... I hope no. I would like to see Rigo in yellow, but more to win le Tour at the end or to be second that third.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Uran first stage ITT performance:

"Early on, Uran lost time, finishing only 95th in the opening time trial. Normally good against the clock – particularly for a climber – his concentration was rattled when the UCI commissaires decided that his TT handlebar position didn’t conform to the setup regulations five minutes before his start time.

According to Uran and Vaughters, a different commissiare had green-lighted it two hours beforehand. The team was left with insufficient time to change the position of the bars, and so he had to quickly change to a spare bike. That affected his TT and he lost 49 seconds to the stage winner Geraint Thomas."

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/yellow-mind-uran-poised-strike-tour-de-france-everything-possible/

This would be an okay explanation, if he didn't stink in every other CRI in the last two years. Just silly excuses.

2017
Romandia (18.3 km): 34th at 1.33
Romandia (4.3 km): 89th at 0.30
Itzulia (27.7 km): 33rd at 2.05
Tirreno (10.05 km): 56th at 0.47
RDS (12 km): 25th at 0.46

2016
Pologne (25 km): 94th (out of 97) at 5.07
Giro (10.8 km): 50th at 3.18
Giro (40.5 km): 64th at 4.12
Giro (9.8 km): 43rd at 0.33
Romandia (15.11 km): 69th at 1.32
Romandia (3.95 km): 59th at 0.26
Tirreno (10.05 km): 125th at 1.15
Algavre (18 km): 94th at 2.36

Now compare that to his last two years with Quick Step: 14th, 11th, 4th, 26th, 19th, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 4th, 24th, 43rd. This massive drop has everything to do with Specialized -> Cannondale.

 

[movingtarget]

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The only problem I see today is that for both Uran and Bardet to tale yellow would be important.
Both has dressed the white jersey, but not yellow, and possbile the first to attack dont take that yellow, but as the same time thay have to attack from at leasy 4 for the end to try to take yellow..it is possible to put 1 minute after Casse deserte, just in the last 2 Km, but Froome should be bad as in Peyragudes.

The hope is that Aru attack first and Froome follow him and get tired, but it is possible that if Bardet and Uran both drop Froome they dont collaborate properly thinking in to take yellow for one day... I hope no. I would like to see Rigo in yellow, but more to win le Tour at the end or to be second that third.

Aru is the one looking weaker. He may not be able to attack at all. I'm not sure that Bardet or Uran can maintain a gap on Froome especially with Landa there as well.

 

[masking_agent]

and once again, as I said in the past, and will say it now.. Uran is and I believe for the remainder of his career be an "also ran." A rider who shows he can follow, but can never lead..

 

[jmdirt]

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and once again, as I said in the past, and will say it now.. Uran is and I believe for the remainder of his career be an "also ran." A rider who shows he can follow, but can never lead..

Your tag is very appropriate for your view.

Great TdF so far for RU!

 

[Arredondo]

He's still in the wheel of Froome?

 

[spalco]

I think the criticism of Uran is too harsh. This is his best stage race since at least 2014, arguably the best of his career. And he still has an outside chance of winning the Tour tomorrow.

Yeah, he could have tested Froome more, but he needed this.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Vaughters probably made the decision not to attack as he seeks to secure the highest placing by a Cannondale rider ever in the TDF and secure more sponsorship

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't think he could attack today, but yeah even if he could I think Vaughters do not want to risk it.

 

[DanielSong39]

If he was feeling great he would've flown away solo with 5km to go.

Obviously he didn't have the legs.

 

[carolina]

I believe he will beat Bardet on the time-trial and finish 2nd. He had a problem with the bike setup on the first stage, he had to change the cockpit height right before the start.

 

[Arked]

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I don't think he could attack today, but yeah even if he could I think Vaughters do not want to risk it.

He obviously couldn't. Bridging to Froome was all he had in him today. Any attack after that would be suicidal, and he'd surely lose more than 2 seconds that way.

 

[Cookster15]

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I believe he will beat Bardet on the time-trial and finish 2nd. He had a problem with the bike setup on the first stage, he had to change the cockpit height right before the start.

I agree. Uran should easily beat Bardet in the TT. I think Rigoberto has been riding to his strengths and limitations. He knows he has a strong TT up his sleeve in this form no matter he gives up 30 seconds on inferior bike technology which I think is being grossly exaggerated - the Cannondale isn't a dog.

The bigger difference is still the legs and recovery, especially on stage 20. Hope he can take some time out of Froome that would be really something to behold even though I doubt it as Froome seems too strong.

 

[jmdirt]

Great TdF for RU! The TT will (likely) decide the order on the box.

 

[glassmoon]

Would love to see Uran to crack/fail in TT (for his lack of trying anything despite looking very strong) and podium to be Froome, Bardet, Landa.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Would love to see Uran to crack/fail in TT (for his lack of trying anything despite looking very strong) and podium to be Froome, Bardet, Landa.

I understand you.

But he has been so unliky along his career, than he deserve this podium no matter the way.

Landa has been very unliky, with crash in very important moments, but not at that level.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think the criticism of Uran is too harsh. This is his best stage race since at least 2014, arguably the best of his career. And he still has an outside chance of winning the Tour tomorrow.

Yeah, he could have tested Froome more, but he needed this.

Tour is the best race, it is the best of his career: But he is not in better shape than in other races.

 

[nedhill]

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Would love to see Uran to crack/fail in TT (for his lack of trying anything despite looking very strong) and podium to be Froome, Bardet, Landa.

Great responses from the couch potatoes.

Before the tour started no one saw him in the top 5 let alone the top 3 (if it finishes that way). Now he has made it through the mountains and people complain.

He has ridden a smart race, given the situation and his attributes. I celebrate his success thus far. The reality is that Froome and Sky are really good, they took all the hits and kept delivering.

I applaud all the riders for completing the Tour so far.

Those that want superhuman performances from all the riders, look at other sports with PEDs (see US Football), alternatively let's see you accelerate on a steep climb after a couple hours of riding and get a Strava KOM (not to mention 20 days of riding).

 

[Escarabajo]

Of course he deserves the podium. he has been up there fighting for position and suffering on the climbs like no other every day. And all his life. This isn't easy. His life has been a total turmoil. Hard, very hard beginnings even when he had to provide to his family because they killed his father. Even when he came to Europe when he was 19 and left his family behind. He always had a smile in his face. This business is extremely hard.

So no, I don't wish him bad luck in the TT just because he didn't entertained us on the TV, or didn't look like the video game that I just played.

 

[red zone]

how the *** do you go through an entire tour being so close to wearing the yellow and not attack even once ? he's going to wake up in a few weeks and it's going to hit him that he pissed away probably his only opportunity ever to win the tour because he was too afraid