Rigoberto Uran discussion thread.

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gospina said:
This was from an article today regarding the 1st stage:
"his concentration was rattled when the UCI commissaires decided that his TT handlebar position didn’t conform to the setup regulations five minutes before his start time.

According to Uran and Vaughters, a different commissiare had green-lighted it two hours beforehand. The team was left with insufficient time to change the position of the bars, and so he had to quickly change to a spare bike. That affected his TT and he lost 49 seconds to the stage winner Geraint Thomas."
I'm shocked that the UCI would do something like that...wait, no I'm not! That sucks for RU!
 
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Was checking the weather forecast for tomorrow and it could be a wet descent from Col du Galibier .

How good compared to Froome and Bardet is Uran in rainy conditions??
I really like him,seems to be a great guy!, hopefully he will be in the mix until Paris!
 
fauniera said:
Not as good as Bardet. Rigo has already lost two big races by crashes in final descents (Worlds and Olympics), that's why he is descending quite carefully nowadays. I hope all goes well.
Which fall in the Olympics are you referring to? Because I don't really remember him crashing in an Olympics, especially not in winning position. I think you've got him messed up with Checho Henao. But Uran's horrible crash on the descent in Tour of Germany is probably always on his mind as well, when he broke both his arms.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Uran did attack a couple of times, but usually on the downhill / flat. Not on the climb itself. I think he was pretty much on the limit there. So it makes sense he doesn't go on the attack there. Too afraid to blow and lose all hope.


At the end of Galibier you dont need to attack, you just need to be there, lot of people will attack backward.

Anyway I suffer when Urn lacks the attacl sometimes. becouse I followed him since he was 19 and at the begining he was an attacker.

Anyway the only moment I miss his attack was the begining of Peyresourde, when sky crash

And i think that even this year his best ITT has been Basque country and Romandia, around 30th lace, he can do it clearlybetter this last ITT of le Tour.
 
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gospina said:
This was from an article today regarding the 1st stage:
"his concentration was rattled when the UCI commissaires decided that his TT handlebar position didn’t conform to the setup regulations five minutes before his start time.

According to Uran and Vaughters, a different commissiare had green-lighted it two hours beforehand. The team was left with insufficient time to change the position of the bars, and so he had to quickly change to a spare bike. That affected his TT and he lost 49 seconds to the stage winner Geraint Thomas."

Thanks for this important information. I think anyway he would have been just 10 second better, but it made no sense for me so bad ITT, even in suck odd rainy ITT.
 
From watching Uran in the past Giro's, in the past years, he's been an "also ran" and a complete "follower." He's never shown me any "aggressive attacks" nor leadership in past GT's.. I think he will forge his career as the eternal second once again. I would love it if he proved me wrong, but I'll be surprised if he does.
 
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Anderis said:
hfer07 said:
if he gets his old ITT skills back.
He won't.

The ITT is good for him and at the end you depend of the petrol you have inside.
Uran was in the past one year all the winter in the Medellin velodrome, but hehas been focused in other issues the last years.

I could say he is riding very conservatively, just aiming the podium, not the victory. I know that is not good for cycling fans.

But in the past when he attacked sometimes he got a bad result, and he has been so unlucky in his sport life, than I could admit a so poor second place is meritable, for those who thought he has not the level for a Tour podium.

He has a good finish, but he is more diesel than Aru or Bardet in the mountais, they are more pure explosive climbers.

Beside he is always alone in the mountains in a team with Talansky and Rolland...

But I hope he will try tomorrow... (a pity becouse i have to work at that time).

He has been a Froome domestique, as Porte, and he knows when Froome could be weak. As Quintana did you have to make your attack at the end of the race and give everything on that, once he has assured the second place or at least the podium. Quintana did it in Alp D huez and he put more than one minute on Froome. If Uran could take 30 seconds, he would be the favourite for le Tour.

But of course, for him, just a podium would be a great result today....he even said some imes this year he came to le Tour just for stages...(and he was sometimes the first day back in the peloton), so...

And I think it would be the same with Porte in the race or with Landa leader of a team. Porte has never get a podium in a GT, and Landa showed today he payed yesterday windy stage more than Uran...yes, Landa worked and finally was there, but he wanst super today, and despite Landa is today runner up spanish TT, Uran shoudl be better.

Tour de France is better for Uran than il Giro, for different reason, especially weather, he like hot weather. Uran missed Tour lot of years, but he did very well very young here. He has the potential to wn a Tour.

And Uran was better than Contador in Finestre stage after to suffer a bronchitis, so he wanst out..he just missed luck in the key moments.

And he was last year Lombardia podium in a really hard day.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Uran is not a leader - he's just following team orders and will continue to do so.

He'll attack if and when Vaughters tells him to...

From an article wrote today, jul 19:

Cannondale-Drapac manager Jonathan Vaughters said his team will be motivated by not only the prospect of a title but also the quality of the person who would win it.

"He is the best leadership figure as a rider I've ever worked with, ever," Vaughters said. "That includes my riding days. Rigo is a leader by example. He never shows up to a race even a pound overweight. He is always 100 percent dedicated to his training, his diet, his focus. He does everything the best he can always, not just some of the time. That, right there, inspires the guys to raise their level."

http://www.espn.com/sports/endurance/story/_/id/20088559/2017-tour-de-france-unexpected-rise-colombia-rigoberto-uran
 
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Taxus4a said:
Anderis said:
hfer07 said:
if he gets his old ITT skills back.
He won't.

The ITT is good for him and at the end you depend of the petrol you have inside.
Uran was in the past one year all the winter in the Medellin velodrome, but hehas been focused in other issues the last years.
I mean...

A lot of people are suddenly surprised with Uran's climbing. But he is NOT suddenly climbing two levels above of what he was doing in the past two years. He almost won Lombardia last year (if he was only able to put as good final sprint as he is doing in this year's TdF...), he outclimbed Nibali, Valverde and Chavez on some of the MTFs in last year's Giro (he fell ill so he lost time on other stages), he was inside top5 on queen stages of many WT races within the last two years.
What he has not done in the last two years is to ride a competitive ITT. He is just not competitive in that discipline nowadays. Cannondale's budget shortage and therefore lack of aero work might be the reason for that (and maybe Cannondale TT bikes are just not that good in themselves compared to the equipment he had at Etixx).

It's not like he will suddenly ride as good TT as he used to because he is in much better form than in recent time because he isn't. He is maybe just a tiny bit better than his other top performances within last 2 years, but not by much. People are reading way too much from the fact that he didn't have a competitive GT overall result since 2014. He has been climbing well but TT-ing badly in other events.

Must say I'm even worried by Landa who rode some very respectable ITTs recently.
 
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Anderis said:
Taxus4a said:
Anderis said:
hfer07 said:
if he gets his old ITT skills back.
He won't.

The ITT is good for him and at the end you depend of the petrol you have inside.
Uran was in the past one year all the winter in the Medellin velodrome, but hehas been focused in other issues the last years.
I mean...

A lot of people are suddenly surprised with Uran's climbing. But he is NOT suddenly climbing two levels above of what he was doing in the past two years. He almost won Lombardia last year (if he was only able to put as good final sprint as he is doing in this year's TdF...), he outclimbed Nibali, Valverde and Chavez on some of the MTFs in last year's Giro (he fell ill so he lost time on other stages), he was inside top5 on queen stages of many WT races within the last two years.
What he has not done in the last two years is to ride a competitive ITT. He is just not competitive in that discipline nowadays. Cannondale's budget shortage and therefore lack of aero work might be the reason for that (and maybe Cannondale TT bikes are just not that good in themselves compared to the equipment he had at Etixx).

It's not like he will suddenly ride as good TT as he used to because he is in much better form than in recent time because he isn't. He is maybe just a tiny bit better than his other top performances within last 2 years, but not by much. People are reading way too much from the fact that he didn't have a competitive GT overall result since 2014. He has been climbing well but TT-ing badly in other events.

Must say I'm even worried by Landa who rode some very respectable ITTs recently.

Yes Uran was supreme in the 2014 Giro TT when he was just 27. But the way he is climbing now, at 30, I think it is way premature to write off his TT chances now simply based upon early season results when he was building his form. Uran's knocking is getting louder, he is a threat.

As usual this comes back to how Froome is. Froome weakened in the final week of the 2015 Tour if he weakens this Tour Uran could be the name on everyone's lips come the Champs-Élysées.

Anyhow, just how much time could a more aero frame be worth? Over a 22km TT, 30 seconds max, probably less. The Cannondale Garmin Slice RS time trial bike isn't a dog.
 
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Anderis said:
Taxus4a said:
Anderis said:
hfer07 said:
if he gets his old ITT skills back.
He won't.

The ITT is good for him and at the end you depend of the petrol you have inside.
Uran was in the past one year all the winter in the Medellin velodrome, but hehas been focused in other issues the last years.
I mean...

A lot of people are suddenly surprised with Uran's climbing. But he is NOT suddenly climbing two levels above of what he was doing in the past two years. He almost won Lombardia last year (if he was only able to put as good final sprint as he is doing in this year's TdF...), he outclimbed Nibali, Valverde and Chavez on some of the MTFs in last year's Giro (he fell ill so he lost time on other stages), he was inside top5 on queen stages of many WT races within the last two years.
What he has not done in the last two years is to ride a competitive ITT. He is just not competitive in that discipline nowadays. Cannondale's budget shortage and therefore lack of aero work might be the reason for that (and maybe Cannondale TT bikes are just not that good in themselves compared to the equipment he had at Etixx).

It's not like he will suddenly ride as good TT as he used to because he is in much better form than in recent time because he isn't. He is maybe just a tiny bit better than his other top performances within last 2 years, but not by much. People are reading way too much from the fact that he didn't have a competitive GT overall result since 2014. He has been climbing well but TT-ing badly in other events.

Must say I'm even worried by Landa who rode some very respectable ITTs recently.
I brought this up a few days ago. I'm sure that the CDale Slice doesn't have the R&D of the S-Works Shiv, but I wonder if its more about what you said before that, is his position dialed in for him?

At the end of a GT, good TTs come from guys who have more in the tank physically and mentally so we are likely to see his best TT in years. He needs to take some time tomorrow though because CF will likely have a good TT as well.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Uran is not a leader - he's just following team orders and will continue to do so.

He'll attack if and when Vaughters tells him to...
Froome is demanding, as Nairo is. Nibali and Contador are ambitious. Urán doesn't fit either profile.

However, Urán is not shy. He's in fact very extroverted. He can rally a team around him, mostly with motivation.
IMHO, looks like he's afraid of cracking if he has to attack or work from afar.

Henao, on the contrary, doesn't seem with that type of personality.
 
Bardet is like a puppy trying to attack everywhere.
Urán is more like an adult dog, knowing that attacking over and over make you look like a rookie.
Look at Dan Martin, he attacked today twice (or more) and got nothing out of it, other than some cheers and his name displayed on tv screens.
Urán will attack tomorrow. He has to and it is within his plans, as he has stated in recent interviews.