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Or even simply someone who didn't look back and lose sight of his rival with 200 m to go.DFA123 said:
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I think the talk about not having a niche or not quite being the best at anything is a bit generous too him. He was the stronger sprinter in a two-up finish at the Olympics, he was in a winning position at the end of Lombardia last year, you could even say he was in a winning position at the 2014 Giro before the Gavia/Stelvio stage, and he lost them all due to tactical errors.
Imagine how different his record would look if he had converted those three into victories, as he should have done (let alone all the other races he's let slip). We'd be talking about one of the great palmares of his generation.
Lol, indeed!hrotha said:Or even simply someone who didn't look back and lose sight of his rival with 200 m to go.DFA123 said:
I think the talk about not having a niche or not quite being the best at anything is a bit generous too him. He was the stronger sprinter in a two-up finish at the Olympics, he was in a winning position at the end of Lombardia last year, you could even say he was in a winning position at the 2014 Giro before the Gavia/Stelvio stage, and he lost them all due to tactical errors.
Imagine how different his record would look if he had converted those three into victories, as he should have done (let alone all the other races he's let slip). We'd be talking about one of the great palmares of his generation.
Tonton said:I agree with all the above posts. Bravo Rigoberto. You had a great Tour, won the queen stage, enjoy the podium and the Champagne. Great job
And he did it without any sort of effective team. They were pretty much MIA for the whole tour. Bravo Rigoberto.
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He looked the other way.
hrotha said:Or even simply someone who didn't look back and lose sight of his rival with 200 m to go.DFA123 said:
He looked the other way.
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Yeah but the three conditionals I used weren't exactly implausible, or particularly impressive. A dry prologue, not riding into a barrier in the final 500m of the ITT, and attacking once.jmdirt said:Two more ifs and I could have won la TdF.Brullnux said:
The reason the if game doesn't work is that it goes both ways. If RU crashes (or crashes out), if he blows up, if his frame brakes...if...if... and for every if there is opposing if.
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Nor are crashing, getting sick, bonking, mechanicals... He got onto the wall because he was riding like his ars was on fire.Brullnux said:Yeah but the three conditionals I used weren't exactly implausible, or particularly impressive. A dry prologue, not riding into a barrier in the final 500m of the ITT, and attacking once.jmdirt said:Two more ifs and I could have won la TdF.Brullnux said:
The reason the if game doesn't work is that it goes both ways. If RU crashes (or crashes out), if he blows up, if his frame brakes...if...if... and for every if there is opposing if.
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/taylor-phinneys-cannondale-slice-with-double-duty-mavic-wheels-gallery/
It looks more aero, but what the eye sees isn't necessarily what the air sees so who knows. I can't imagine CDale replacing their TT/Tri bike with a less aero model.
Phinney's Slice is a different (older) version than RU's:jmdirt said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/taylor-phinneys-cannondale-slice-with-double-duty-mavic-wheels-gallery/
It looks more aero, but what the eye sees isn't necessarily what the air sees so who knows. I can't imagine CDale replacing their TT/Tri bike with a less aero model.
Well, after some years of problems, bad luck, illness, bad planification,.to finish a Giro when you are ill and after to race le Tour instead abandon the Giro and prepare well le Tour, and things like that, finally Rigo has showed his righ level, very close to the best rider today for Tour, Chris Froome.
Rigo is better at clasiccs , so Rigo is a more complete rider than Froome.
Some people think that Frome wanst so strong this year, but I dont thing so at all. He was the same than in Plateau de Biele or La Pierre de Saint Martin. But the race was different, little bit ITT, lot of mountains, some of them step and not a long first flat week. After tsome days on the flat Froome is the best on the mountains and he can put a big distance. Last year route was similar and he show the same. But he showed in Izoard he finished as well as always..he has never drop any good climber at the end of le Tour, never, usually he was droped by others.
So Rigo was there, at that level, not maybe the level to face SKY, I would like he would have try, but in his case I understand, just in his case and just this year. Other year he shoudl try something, other way it is unforgiven.
Rigo is better at clasiccs , so Rigo is a more complete rider than Froome.
Some people think that Frome wanst so strong this year, but I dont thing so at all. He was the same than in Plateau de Biele or La Pierre de Saint Martin. But the race was different, little bit ITT, lot of mountains, some of them step and not a long first flat week. After tsome days on the flat Froome is the best on the mountains and he can put a big distance. Last year route was similar and he show the same. But he showed in Izoard he finished as well as always..he has never drop any good climber at the end of le Tour, never, usually he was droped by others.
So Rigo was there, at that level, not maybe the level to face SKY, I would like he would have try, but in his case I understand, just in his case and just this year. Other year he shoudl try something, other way it is unforgiven.
No Vuelta for Uran acording to Vaughters.
¿Qué carreras hará Urán en el segundo semestre?
Hemos hablado de que corra la Clásica de San Sebastián, que vaya a Estados Unidos a la Vuelta a Colorado, allá haremos una cena de celebración por lo que hizo en el Tour. Luego correrá en Canadá, los Grand Prix de Québec y Montreal, y terminará el año con el Giro de Lombardía.
¿Qué carreras hará Urán en el segundo semestre?
Hemos hablado de que corra la Clásica de San Sebastián, que vaya a Estados Unidos a la Vuelta a Colorado, allá haremos una cena de celebración por lo que hizo en el Tour. Luego correrá en Canadá, los Grand Prix de Québec y Montreal, y terminará el año con el Giro de Lombardía.
Fair enough. In my mind he's always been an opportunistic rider, but I guess not in the grand tours. He's been on the attack in smaller stage races during the years, though, fx Tour Of Oman alongside Sagan and Nibali 3-4 years ago.
He's more of an opportunist rider than an aggressive one. But I don't think it's fair to label him as someone who doesn't attack when he sees a chance.
But who would have thought that in the 4 Tours Froome completed as a team leader, that it would be Rigoberto who was the closest to beating him.
But who would have thought that in the 4 Tours Froome completed as a team leader, that it would be Rigoberto who was the closest to beating him.
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The problem with Rigo in Tours is that when he attacked usad to have a bad result, as this example on the Vuelta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPADmm7ZzKQ
And after he was more conservative and his results were better. In a race as il Giro for instance at the end is a resilience race, you have to save your energies constantly.
And in an race as le Tour without team, without a big explosivity on the mountains, so he is not a pure climber as Bardet or Aru and with SKy on the front, and with time bonus at the end, it is difficult to attack for someone like him.
He anyway did an attack this Tour, it was a short one and it was just a move to folow just in the cae the rest didnt go for him at the moment... It wanst the case, nothing to do againts a grupetto there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8G75QncOas
hrotha said:
The problem with Rigo in Tours is that when he attacked usad to have a bad result, as this example on the Vuelta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPADmm7ZzKQ
And after he was more conservative and his results were better. In a race as il Giro for instance at the end is a resilience race, you have to save your energies constantly.
And in an race as le Tour without team, without a big explosivity on the mountains, so he is not a pure climber as Bardet or Aru and with SKy on the front, and with time bonus at the end, it is difficult to attack for someone like him.
He anyway did an attack this Tour, it was a short one and it was just a move to folow just in the cae the rest didnt go for him at the moment... It wanst the case, nothing to do againts a grupetto there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8G75QncOas
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No so short, 3 minutes attack, and SKy giving everything to put him back with Kiato and even Froome...it is normal you dont risk more and look for a good oportunity that maybe never comes and try to secure a second place very important for him and maybe if Froome has a bad day in the ITT, to win.
Taxus4a said:
No so short, 3 minutes attack, and SKy giving everything to put him back with Kiato and even Froome...it is normal you dont risk more and look for a good oportunity that maybe never comes and try to secure a second place very important for him and maybe if Froome has a bad day in the ITT, to win.
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I don't speak Spanish, but the commentary on that last video is outstanding!!
Taxus4a said:
I don't speak Spanish, but the commentary on that last video is outstanding!!
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Really outstanding :lol: , typical from Colombia.
But anyway it was an attack, and Sky put everything, including Froome, to take it back.
Davesta said:Taxus4a said:
I don't speak Spanish, but the commentary on that last video is outstanding!!
Really outstanding :lol: , typical from Colombia.
But anyway it was an attack, and Sky put everything, including Froome, to take it back.
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