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gooner said:
I can't understand why there isn't a women's 1500m freestyle when there is one in the European Championships.
FINA had to take out one freestyle event from both men and women, so the hurt distance guys rather than sprinters because that's where the viewing and money lie. Completely understandable, the sprint and middle distance races are very exciting, but sometimes a duel like Sun Yang and Paltrinieri spread over 800m, a battle of tactics, wits and strength, like in Kazan last year is just beautiful to watch. Anyway, they don't include the 1500m for women, but don't have the 800 for men, so it evens out. The 1500m men's free has been in for a very long time and is a classic race and distance, more so than 800m, so people would be annoyed if it were taken out and replaced. I imagine, not sure, that when women's swimming was included and distance races too the organisers probably assumed 1500m is too much, which it obviously isn't, but that's the best reason I can come up with. FINA the were happy with the 800m, and I'm glad they don't change it because otherwise we get 15:20 minutes of Ledecky pure domination rather than 8.
 
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I really wish that swimming was more mainstream, and the masses could see swimming more than just once every four years. Then again, NBC and the like are all about the Olympics. Same thing with Athletics. There are many other things going on, many other competitions, golden league meets happening in between every Olympics. Of course the Olympics are the biggest goal for these athletes, but unfortunately everything else in between is treated as if it never happened.

The World Championships in Athletics are a pretty big deal as well, bigger than in swimming.

Here in Belgium some Diamond League (the successor of the Golden League, which is defunct) meetings are broadcasted on TV, especially the one in Brussels. The European Championships Athletics also make it on TV here as well.

At least the stadiums at Diamond League Meetings are always filled with a lot of people.
 
BullsFan22 said:
I really wish that swimming was more mainstream, and the masses could see swimming more than just once every four years. Then again, NBC and the like are all about the Olympics. Same thing with Athletics. There are many other things going on, many other competitions, golden league meets happening in between every Olympics. Of course the Olympics are the biggest goal for these athletes, but unfortunately everything else in between is treated as if it never happened.
I tend to watch all the aquatic championships (I admit these are the only meets I watch) be they European, which I being European care about, or world championships. The Eurosport commentators for swimming are a lot, lot better than the BBC ones so it's better too. The diving ones are the same, but I like them and expert's knowledge in particular. That is one sport that I really wish were more mainstream. And volleyball and basketball (UK, definitely not US).
 
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BullsFan22 said:
I really wish that swimming was more mainstream, and the masses could see swimming more than just once every four years. Then again, NBC and the like are all about the Olympics. Same thing with Athletics. There are many other things going on, many other competitions, golden league meets happening in between every Olympics. Of course the Olympics are the biggest goal for these athletes, but unfortunately everything else in between is treated as if it never happened.

The World Championships in Athletics are a pretty big deal as well, bigger than in swimming.

Here in Belgium some Diamond League (the successor of the Golden League, which is defunct) meetings are broadcasted on TV, especially the one in Brussels. The European Championships Athletics also make it on TV here as well.

At least the stadiums at Diamond League Meetings are always filled with a lot of people.

True.

Eurosport have all the Diamond League meets live, plus the BBC have highlights. Athletics gets decent coverage.

You would remember it was just the old Golden Four meets before and in the UK, it was only ITV had highlights of it later that night. IIRC, it was always a Friday night too.

TV coverage is far better these days.
 
BullsFan22 said:
I really wish that swimming was more mainstream, and the masses could see swimming more than just once every four years. Then again, NBC and the like are all about the Olympics. Same thing with Athletics. There are many other things going on, many other competitions, golden league meets happening in between every Olympics. Of course the Olympics are the biggest goal for these athletes, but unfortunately everything else in between is treated as if it never happened.
Most of the time swimming is for the parents who take their kids to training at 6am each morning.
 
I'm not sure if the 4x 200 relay in swimming is a new thing or if I just succeeded in forgetting the damned thing existed at all. And I really don't think the amount of medals should have anything to do with spectator interest, I think it should have to do with how many different events are competitive, without devalualating the Olympic medals. Which is what swimming is doing an amazing job at.
 
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I think if Bolt really wants to be called the greatest Olympian he should try the 400 meters or long jump in Tokyo. Or am I crazy for thinking that?
 
Sport is showbusiness. Bolt is its biggest star (for largely superficial reasons). He makes a crazy amount of money by showing up three times every four years and running for 10 seconds. That's his thing. It makes no sense for him to suddenly start changing everything to win a medal in a less popular distance.
 
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The Hitch said:
Sport is showbusiness. Bolt is its biggest star (for largely superficial reasons). He makes a crazy amount of money by showing up three times every four years and running for 10 seconds. That's his thing. It makes no sense for him to suddenly start changing everything to win a medal in a less popular distance.

Whatever distance Bolt is running, is the most popular distance. He has transcended his sport.

And a lot of training is involved before running those 10 seconds you know. ;) This isn't cycling where a sprinter can even win when he's not in shape (although the opposite can also be true in cycling).
 
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The Hitch said:
Sport is showbusiness. Bolt is its biggest star (for largely superficial reasons). He makes a crazy amount of money by showing up three times every four years and running for 10 seconds. That's his thing. It makes no sense for him to suddenly start changing everything to win a medal in a less popular distance.


He's done the golden league meets and various other meets in between, not to mention the world's. Of course, the Olympics are where athletics (and swimming) get the biggest audiences, and where TV ratings are usually the highest for these sports, but I think it's a little harsh to say he only shows up only during the Olympics. He may not race every week, but he races often enough that he is waaay beyond the British track cycling team...
 
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fatandfast said:
How come Bolt looks around and eases up as he blows his other competitors away?

No point in wasting extra energy when you're not going to run a world record I suppose.
 
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BullsFan22 said:
The Hitch said:
Sport is showbusiness. Bolt is its biggest star (for largely superficial reasons). He makes a crazy amount of money by showing up three times every four years and running for 10 seconds. That's his thing. It makes no sense for him to suddenly start changing everything to win a medal in a less popular distance.


He's done the golden league meets and various other meets in between, not to mention the world's. Of course, the Olympics are where athletics (and swimming) get the biggest audiences, and where TV ratings are usually the highest for these sports, but I think it's a little harsh to say he only shows up only during the Olympics. He may not race every week, but he races often enough that he is waaay beyond the British track cycling team...

Three times every four years is what Hitch said, which is fairly accurate. I don't watch that many other meets but isn't he usually not great in them? Like 9.90 not great I mean. But 9.80 isn't that impressive, Gatlin has run faster this year alone.
 
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Brullnux said:
BullsFan22 said:
The Hitch said:
Sport is showbusiness. Bolt is its biggest star (for largely superficial reasons). He makes a crazy amount of money by showing up three times every four years and running for 10 seconds. That's his thing. It makes no sense for him to suddenly start changing everything to win a medal in a less popular distance.


He's done the golden league meets and various other meets in between, not to mention the world's. Of course, the Olympics are where athletics (and swimming) get the biggest audiences, and where TV ratings are usually the highest for these sports, but I think it's a little harsh to say he only shows up only during the Olympics. He may not race every week, but he races often enough that he is waaay beyond the British track cycling team...

Three times every four years is what Hitch said, which is fairly accurate. I don't watch that many other meets but isn't he usually not great in them? Like 9.90 not great I mean. But 9.80 isn't that impressive, Gatlin has run faster this year alone.

He has 11 World Championship titles, a record...
 
Cannibal72 said:
It's about keeping the rowers in time (really hard) and, most importantly, in their lane. There's obviously slight disparities in strength, which could lead to the boat drifting to one side or the other as the rowers pull in different sides, so the cox's job is to tell certain rowers to ease off a bit or go a bit harder to keep the boat straight.

Sounds like what the mods in this forum do.

Since 2004, when Phelps won his first Olympic race, only 12 countries have won more golds. Thus, Phelps is No. 13 on the gold-medal list since Athens. Among the many that don't have Phelps beat: Spain, Brazil, Norway, Canada, Sweden, Cuba, Greece, Romania and the Netherlands.
Stop with this talk about "well Phelps is a swimmer and they have so many more opportunities for gold so it's not that great!" Just stop it. Do you want to sound like a moron? Then take that stance. Why? Because the most gold medals won by any other swimmer is nine. Only four swimmers in history have more than five gold medals. If you take the six most decorated swimmers in history behind Phelps, and add up their gold medals from individual races (not relays), they combine for 13, the same total Phelps has won by himself. If it were so easy, everybody'd be doing it. Truth is, nobody's close.
Starting in Athens, Phelps has medaled in 44% of every men's swimming event at the Olympics. There have been 64 races, Phelps has competed in 29 and medaled in 28.
Argentina is home to the greatest soccer player in the world (Messi), one of the all-time soccer greats (Maradona), two U.S. Open tennis champions (Juan Martin Del Potro and Gabriela Sabatini), NBA champs (Manu Ginobili), a two-time major champion in golf (Angel Cabrera), a slew of other great athletes and a women's field hockey team that consistently ranks as one of the best in the world. It's competed in 24 of the 28 Summer Olympics. In other words, Argentina is a place that values sport (and has been home to many-a big-time athlete). Michael Phelps has more five more gold medals than Argentina has in 116 years of Olympic participation.
With Phelps from Baltimore and Ledecky from the D.C. suburb Bethesda, not to mention a slew of other swimmers who won golds on relay, Maryland has won more gold medals than any country except China and, obviously, the United States. The Old Line State is the ninth-smallest in the nation.
http://www.foxsports.com/olympics/gallery/28-incredible-facts-about-michael-phelps-28-olympic-medals-23-golds-count-how-many-081316

Who’s the greatest Olympian of all time?

Phelps?
Bolt?
Someone else?

I admit to being biased towards swimming, but between the first two, I’ll take Phelps. Bolt is basically a one-trick pony, the fastest man on earth, but not anything else. Phelps at least has shown his dominance in multiple strokes, and has excelled at distances ranging from 100 to 400 meters, establishing himself both in sprinting and middle distance. He has also competed in the maximum number of events that is basically physically possible, pushing the envelope in a way Bolt hasn't.

I think the main point Bolt has in his favor is that everyone can run, so just about anyone who has great talent as a sprinter will be discovered and end up competing. Whereas many people never learn to swim, and some great potential pool talent may never have been realized. Just look at the hype than Manuel gets for being the first African-American woman to win a swimming Gold. It shouldn’t have taken this long.

But I discount somewhat that Bolt has won the 100 three times in a row. Not just because Phelps won an event four times in a row (and another three times in a row), but because that sets up an unfair comparison with earlier Olympians. For most of its modern history, the Olympics has truly been for amateurs, which means you couldn’t support yourself by competing, as you can today. A lot of great athletes never won the same event for a second, third or fourth time probably because they couldn’t afford to train for multiple Olympics.

And both Phelps and Bolt are highly specialized. I certainly wouldn’t regard either as the greatest athlete in any conversation, because there is so much more to athleticism than pure speed. I think any decathlon winner is a better athlete, and for the greatest combination of athletic qualities, I’d probably take boxing: speed, strength, stamina, agility, hand-eye coordination, courage…all of these come into play.