There is a rule/law to give any cyclist a 1.5m berth in Italy.
Sure, but on two lane roads like the Via Salaria heading towards the Sabine region east of Rome that's not always possible.There is a rule/law to get any cyclist a 1.5m berth in Italy.
when I was in Sicily last year, it felt like even sidewalks were unknown to them. You basically had to walk on the road as wellLack of bike lanes too. There's very little culture for cycling as a mean of transport in Italy.
But you have to contextualize. All over Italy you have cities and towns that were first designed in the ancient world (and if not the Middle Ages), so were obviously not planned for the automobile. There are thus often no sidewalks along the cobbled streets and indeed Italians occupy the vias with the cars, but in such frequent cases the pedestrians always have the right of way. In Italy people walk in the streets and it's the cars that have to avoid them, with at most a quick beep to advise street-walkers to move aside so a driver can pass.when I was in Sicily last year, it felt like even sidewalks were unknown to them. You basically had to walk on the road as well
I've only seen people saying the opposite.But I see no other fault, as normally Italian drivers deal with cyclists relatively well.
It obviously depends on the driver and often the region. For example, outside Rome isn't the best, although here too it depends where. If riding in the Castelli Romani beware, because the dense population, trafic and narrow roads don't make for optimal cyclist-motorist relations. However, riding in la Sabina is marvelous and just fine. In Tuscany cyclists are generally well respected, as is the case in many northern regions like Trentino and Veneto. The south can be dodgy, because generally there is less cycling culture. But, again, there are places where riders are well respected, for example in Puglia from Ostuni to Alberobello, but also in southern Lazio in the Monti Aurunci above Sperlonga and Gaeta.I've only seen people saying the opposite.
Now that's rich, I just wanted to set the record straight. Far from nationalistic, as I'm no nationalist, it just seems to me that, and I have heard it before, there is too often this biased sense that all Italians are uncivil. Like any place else, there are uncivil types, but to say that all you've heard is how terrible Italian motorists are to cyclists is BS. Avoiding the immediate metropolitan zones, there are many fine places in Italy to ride where motorists are respectful. Unfortunately there are too many fatal incidents, I don't deny that, but this mainly has to do with population density, traffic and narrow roads, more I think than any inherent motorists incivility. For every 100 motorists (just offering a symbolic figure), yes, you will probably encounter an occasional a-hole. But in 27 years of living and riding in Italy, I have not, knock on wood, been hit by a car. By contrast, in the US I have been hit by a car 3 times, been threatened with a riffle, a baseball bat and had beer bottles thrown at me just for being on the road. Now there's a Place of uncivil and uncultured barbarian motorists.If you read any of that in my matter-of-fact report on what I've been reading online, I guess I detect a truckload of nationalistic defensiveness in your post
And here we go again with the offensive comments:"Get a grip?" Wrong again, and I have nothing to be innocent about, but, unfortunately for you, have quite a grasp of the situation. Rather I was referring to what appeared to be a confirmation bias on your part in the first statement, based on incomplete evidence and evidently skewed opinion.First you accused me of "anti-Italian prejudice" (a not very nice thing to say, most people would agree) and now you're acting all innocent. And no, it's not BS that all I've heard is what I reported because it's literally all I've heard the last few days on this topic.
"I'm no nationalist, I just perceive any comment that might paint Italy in a bad light as a slur". Get a grip.