I actually hadn't seen that the CEGORR (we need a shortening for the shortening) was listed above those two races. I guess there are small things to tweak.
I mostly agree. I would have wcrr above ogrr and I would have msr above lombardia and lbl.
Enough so that Tony Martin is one of the greatest riders of his generation?
Depends on where your cutoff is, but I easily put him ahead of Simon Gerrans. IMO there's a bias against TT specialists
A list like this is only going to evoke needless discussion, as long as it isn't divided into categories per points. Surely not every race in the list is accredited with fewer points than the race one place higher on the list, so why present it as such. Also for me green jerseys or polka dots have no place in this list. Green jersey winners already get the points from their actual stage placings/wins, so you would be awarding them twice for the same effort. So that is completely different from an overal GC win. And past decades polka dots have turned into a mickey mouse rating for the least talented climber who is riding for a team that has nothing better to do. Rating it above WT stage races is a farce.
Prestige is difficult to measure, but I think a polka dot jersey has more prestige than winning the Tour Down Under or De Panne. I think most cycling fans will at least be able to name a few of the recent winners of the polka dot jersey. But not the TDU (in fact, I had to think long and hard to remember who won it this year).
So it made no difference to Cavendish that he won green in 2011 for the first time?
They will know because they have been watching the TDF regardless. But not because they have been watching the TDF because of the polka dots. If that were the deciding factor, you might as well include Super Combativité. Also De Panne isn't a WT stage race.
No, De Panne isn't a stage race (anymore). It is Worldtour though (doesn't deserve to be, but it is).
As i said, the green jersey is (unlike the polka dots) not meaningless, because you can only win it by finishing high in stages or even better, winning stages) however, rewarding the green jersey in an all times ranking, means you reward those riders twice for the same thing, as they will already get points for stage wins and high placings.
Sagan won 12 stages in the Tour, Cav won more stages even if you only count from 2012 onwards. Who got most out of the Tour from 2012-2021? It’s not a close call, but good luck capturing that without valuing the green jersey.
IMO you can value points jerseys or KOM jerseys in GTs like a bonus stage win.
On second thought, Cavendish probably would... but that's only because one more stage win would make him the sole record holder, not because of the value of an individual stage win.
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