Rujano can win this Giro, believes Savio

[Escarabajo]

I liked this guy Link

OT. Little sorry.

My brother and I thought for a while that he was our next Herrera.

Not that he was clean but most likely the emergence of EPO in Europe killed his dreams. He probably did not get the full advantage from doping.

Armstrong referred to Mejia as not being determined enough.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Number of positives during the 1995 Tour de France: zero.

something with apples and oranges

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

OT. Little sorry.

My brother and I thought for a while that he was our next Herrera.

Not that he was clean but most likely the emergence of EPO in Europe killed his dreams. He probably did not get the full advantage from doping.

Armstrong referred to Mejia as not being determined enough.

mejia had manys physical problems. one of them which made him unable to accelerate. so he could only ride tempo and indeed the epo period hurt him a lot as before 1992 he was one of the biggest talents colombia had seen perhaps.

 

[Publicus]

something with apples and oranges

Not really. The absence of a positive test does not mean that all riders were riding clean. He essentially turned your argument back to you. So it would be apples to apples.

 

[roundabout]

So riders in Colombia are using something as untestable as EPO was in 1995.

Yeah, apples to pears.

 

[hrotha]

So riders in Colombia are using something as untestable as EPO was in 1995.

Yeah, apples to pears.

Ok, then how's this one for you: number of positives during the 2005 Tour de France: zero.

 

[Publicus]

So riders in Colombia are using something as untestable as EPO was in 1995.

Yeah, apples to pears.

So logic isn't your thing. The point wasn't to make an issue about what was or was not available to Colombians in 1995 or a sample comparison of the testing regime in place then (since NO EPO was available for ANYONE, but I digress this isn't about that fact). The point was that pointing out that no Colombians tested postive in year 'x' doesn't mean that that fact, in and of itself, means that Colombians are clean racers or that no Colombians were using PEDs---which is the implication of Ryo's point. Hrotha's counter example(s) demonstrates that this formulation is a logical fallacy.

Make sense now?

 

[jsem94]

Why isn't this discussion taking place in the clinic?

 

[malanb]

:/ Venezuelan riders are not clean, I know this! I ride with some ex profis in my master A Cat. he even chats with Jackson via BB, I usually make training rides with some cyclist from loteria del Zulia. so please stop your crazy fanboysm

 

[Barrus]

Folks, there is a mirror thread about this in the clinic, so please take the doping talk to that thread

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

excellent stage again today. you can see his form improving per day.

 

[Mellow Velo]

excellent stage again today. you can see his form improving per day.

I can't even see him, never mind his form.
Hope your form will last the 3 weeks, at the pace you are setting.

 

[will10]

I can't even see him, never mind his form.
Hope your form will last the 3 weeks, at the pace you are setting.

Today didn't suit Rujano at all and he was in the group of 18. A good day for him for sure.

 

[El Pistolero]

What does suit him? Nothing it seems lol.

 

[will10]

What does suit him? Nothing it seems lol.

Stages 13, 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20.

 

[El Pistolero]

Nah, we'll hear some other excuses if he doesn't perform there. I bet Zoncolan won't be steep enough.

 

[luckyboy]

What does suit him? Nothing it seems lol.

This is what I was thinking about Rodriguez on Etna. Only really steep slopes and pretty much no other aspect of bike racing.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Nah, we'll hear some other excuses if he doesn't perform there. I bet Zoncolan won't be steep enough.

Nah he simply wont be motivated

 

[will10]

Nah, we'll hear some other excuses if he doesn't perform there. I bet Zoncolan won't be steep enough.

Shall we wait and see?

 

[TRDean]

I am curious about the motivation thing...is this real? I mean I find it hard to believe that a guy (any guy) would lack the proper motivation to consistenty do his best in all stages. I mean, I don't think Rujano is thinking "I just don't want to give it my all today"...makes no sense. Ryo...can you shed some light on this? Thanks!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

his problem is that when it doesn't go his way he completely stops with everything including training. this was especially problem in the past. the guy is also uncoachable. his trainer at isd would give him trainingsschedules but he would never train according to them. when he didn't feel like it he would ride back to his home. he needs extreme motivation and last yera it was winning the giro, when isd wasn't invited he lost all until vuelta colombia came but he started training too late and this year he also had motivation to win giro so he trained a lot for strong base and his team was indeed invited. you can clearly see rujano is now more motivated than ever. just look at how well he sits at the front of stages that don't suit him. rujano was beaming with pride after etna stage and he believes he win the next stages

 

[TRDean]

his problem is that when it doesn't go his way he completely stops with everything including training. this was especially problem in the past. the guy is also uncoachable. his trainer at isd would give him trainingsschedules but he would never train according to them. when he didn't feel like it he would ride back to his home. he needs extreme motivation and last yera it was winning the giro, when isd wasn't invited he lost all until vuelta colombia came but he started training too late and this year he also had motivation to win giro so he trained a lot for strong base and his team was indeed invited. you can clearly see rujano is now more motivated than ever. just look at how well he sits at the front of stages that don't suit him. rujano was beaming with pride after etna stage and he believes he win the next stages

Thanks! That sheds light on his personality.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

also that contador started here couldn't have been better for rujano. it's the biggest motivation he could have as he considers him the only climber better than him and wants to see what he can do.

 

[WindLessBreeze]

LanterneRouge

Every one knows that Androni has been helping Alberto. Saxo is weak in the mountains & both teams have different goals. (PSST. See how Jose serpa led Hizzoner Albert all the way?!) Rujano could win KOM, but GRAL? MiNoSabo

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

androni want to win giro, nothing else. savio has podiumed and won stages many times. but never won the giro. same for rujano has has already done everything in giro except winning.