Ryder's blood

[Dr. Maserati]

It is not my opinion. But yes I do stand by it.

Ok - what did the someone who told you say.
I am sure you can give snippets that will identify them.

 

[Digger]

Ok - what did the someone who told you say.
I am sure you can give snippets that will identify them.

No I won't say anymore - and yes I know you'll say you don't have to believe me or that nobody forced me to come on here...and that's true...but I stand by what I say

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No I won't say anymore - and yes I know you'll say you don't have to believe me or that nobody forced me to come on here...and that's true...but I stand by what I say

Fine - then I assume you will have no problem with me not giving it a huge amount of weight. I am not saying it isn't true - because I suspect he was doping until at least the Olympics ...... as well as then riding road with USPS & Phonak.....just

One final question - have you passed on this info to any of the relevant parties?

 

[D-Queued]

Fine - then I assume you will have no problem with me not giving it a huge amount of weight. I am not saying it isn't true - because I suspect he was doping until at least the Olympics ...... as well as then riding road with USPS & Phonak.....just

One final question - have you passed on this info to any of the relevant parties?

Can't speak for Digger, but I haven't. Yet.

As noted, I had information, and I did speak to JV.

But, I do not conduct anti-doping tests and ultimately cannot provide firm proof.

With respect to further info, I am waiting to see how this all plays out and then may take Cycling Canada up on its suggestion to provide information to CCES (Canada's ADA) given that at least part of the larger story is now out in the open.

It would sure be nice to see a few more admissions. Better to be proactive than reactive. Hint. Hint.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Fine - then I assume you will have no problem with me not giving it a huge amount of weight. I am not saying it isn't true - because I suspect he was doping until at least the Olympics ...... as well as then riding road with USPS & Phonak.....just

One final question - have you passed on this info to any of the relevant parties?

The Clinic is the relevant parties.

 

[D-Queued]

The Clinic is the relevant parties.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Can't speak for Digger, but I haven't. Yet.

As noted, I had information, and I did speak to JV.

But, I do not conduct anti-doping tests and ultimately cannot provide firm proof.

With respect to further info, I am waiting to see how this all plays out and then may take Cycling Canada up on its suggestion to provide information to CCES (Canada's ADA) given that at least part of the larger story is now out in the open.

It would sure be nice to see a few more admissions. Better to be proactive than reactive. Hint. Hint.

Dave.

That is perfectly fine.
One thing though - and I may be wrong and will happily be corrected but I take it that Ryder doped in 2004 - so outside the SoL and not really unexpected or contradictory to what has been reported. (The 2003 quote noted)

So I assume anything Dig is posting would be in relation to after the SoL kicked in - from early 2005 onwards.
That would be big - and if RH is lying I would hope it is exposed and he is punished accordingly.

 

[Big Doopie]

Hesjedal = doper = Scarponi = doper.

Armstrong = crook

Hesjedal = repentant rider who doped and then chose to ride for another repentant doper for a team who's mission statement is to ride clean. And nothing, not a single fact to date contradicts that fact.

Scarponi = serial unrepentant doper who's entire career has been awash in doping, including implicitly in three separate occasions, who now chooses to ride on a team known for doping and for an unrepentant doper boss. Scarponi's entire career is based on doping and he should long ago have been booted out of cycling.

Armstrong = sociopathic criminal who should be locked up and empoverished.

The differences between all three is immense.

This ridiculous false equivocation by many here that everyone who doped is exactly the same is uninformed and anti-intellectual, if not just plain stupid.

 

[thehog]

Hesjedal = repentant rider who doped and then chose to ride for another repentant doper for a team who's mission statement is to ride clean. And nothing, not a single fact to date contradicts that fact.

Scarponi confessed why is he unrepentant?

Hesjedal = unrepentant doper who doped to an Olympic medal, joined a doping team whilst doping, then joined another team which doped, then another and finally joined a so called clean team. Years later he confessed when one of his former drug buddies confessed (before him) and was writing a book.

And all outside a repentant statue of limitations.

 

[Digger]

Fine - then I assume you will have no problem with me not giving it a huge amount of weight. I am not saying it isn't true - because I suspect he was doping until at least the Olympics ...... as well as then riding road with USPS & Phonak.....just

One final question - have you passed on this info to any of the relevant parties?

So whilst you are not saying it isn't true - your view is that it's only my opinion and not based around anything solid?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So whilst you are not saying it isn't true - your view is that it's only my opinion and not based around anything solid?

No.

Because quite frankly you have been so vague I cannot actually work out what you may have let alone if it is relevant.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hesjedal = repentant rider who doped and then chose to ride for another repentant doper for a team who's mission statement is to ride clean. And nothing, not a single fact to date contradicts that fact.

Scarponi = serial unrepentant doper who's entire career has been awash in doping, including implicitly in three separate occasions, who now chooses to ride on a team known for doping and for an unrepentant doper boss. Scarponi's entire career is based on doping and he should long ago have been booted out of cycling.

Armstrong = sociopathic criminal who should be locked up and empoverished.

The differences between all three is immense.

This ridiculous false equivocation by many here that everyone who doped is exactly the same is uninformed and anti-intellectual, if not just plain stupid.

You mean other than winning a Giro by batting .500 over anything he had ever done before, doped or not?
Who is to say which pro cyclist has doped once and which is a "serial doper", awash in, well doping, I guess? Maybe their National Fed? Who has Canadian Cycling ever gone after to the extent that the Italian Fed has pursued Scarponi?
Doper and doper, not too much to choose between them, eh?

 

[Ferminal]

Basso = repentant doper, he admitted all that he was caught for.

 

[D-Queued]

You mean other than winning a Giro by batting .500 over anything he had ever done before, doped or not?
Who is to say which pro cyclist has doped once and which is a "serial doper", awash in, well doping, I guess? Maybe their National Fed? Who has Canadian Cycling ever gone after to the extent that the Italian Fed has pursued Scarponi?
Doper and doper, not too much to choose between them, eh?

The point is well taken. And, not just related to doping issues.

This past Men's Worlds, for example, was an embarrassment when a cyclist riding for the country refused to ride for the country. Don't you need to be sponsored by your country to even show up at the Worlds? But, then decide to not ride for them? Nice. And, we thank them anyways? Huh?

Moving on.

If we could modify your question to: 'Who has a Canadian cycling association ever pursued with rigor', then we could observe the Quebec federation's refusal to license G. Jeanson.

Not pointing fingers, but USA Cycling apparently had no problem with that.

Dave.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Given Ryder's MTB results the question should be why would he stop doping. Its not like his doping regime did not pay off for him.
http://ftp.cyclingnews.com/photos/2002/aug02/mtbworlds/?id=TMrydermud

Big fella.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Kinda el oh eling at Kabush's rant given they had the same coach in the 90s...

Already posted this before but think it's interesting that you can be that close to someone and have no idea they were doping. And if you did know they were, the faux outrage now is even more laughable...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...h-paid-off-for-ryder-hesjedal/article4217477/

 

[blackcat]

The point is well taken. And, not just related to doping issues.

This past Men's Worlds, for example, was an embarrassment when a cyclist riding for the country refused to ride for the country. Don't you need to be sponsored by your country to even show up at the Worlds? But, then decide to not ride for them? Nice. And, we thank them anyways? Huh?

Moving on.

If we could modify your question to: 'Who has a Canadian cycling association ever pursued with rigor', then we could observe the Quebec federation's refusal to license G. Jeanson.

Not pointing fingers, but USA Cycling apparently had no problem with that.

Dave.

befire national teams started to makes knicks for their national uniforms, the World Champs race aphorism was "watch the shorts/knicks before the jerseys". ergo: allegiances, need to watch the knicks to see where the money was, and who butters your bread.

too many esoteric euphemism/aphorism from anglophone/australian stock? srry

cheers

 

[webvan]

Given Ryder's MTB results the question should be why would he stop doping. Its not like his doping regime did not pay off for him.
http://ftp.cyclingnews.com/photos/2002/aug02/mtbworlds/?id=TMrydermud

Big fella.

Yeah, why stop...when joining JV possibly, but before that what would have been the incentive? On the other hand the incentive to lie about not doping after 2004 is...a no brainer. Hopefully someone comes up with some data/info that puts that to bed.

At the end of the day SOL is a technicality anyway, the guy cheated so there should still be some type of punishment, 6 months maybe?

 

[Grupetto1]

Good article here http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=26750

 

[IndianCyclist]

Basso = repentant doper, he admitted all that he was caught for.

A thief if caught will always say that he will never steal again. Is he believed? No.
The repentant doper is a fallacy. Cue the statements of all the dopers. Once caught, dopers will say anything to save their backside. The only one who comes close is probably JV.

 

[hrotha]

It's simple, really.

Knowing when you have no way out and admitting exactly to what is already out is the smart thing to do (see Raskolnikov), even though the instinctual response is to deny everything and postpone the inevitable. Scarponi did this, Leipheimer did this, Danielson did this, and now Hesjedal* has done it.

A repentant doper would tell the whole story. Jaksche did this, Landis did this, and the whole story included saying they didn't regret doping per se, but the hypocrisy that came with it and the way they dealt with it once caught. That they were honest about how they didn't feel like they were cheating at all makes it much more believable.

*This depends on what he actually said to the relevant authorities, but even if he told them the whole story, there's the issue that he's trying to give the impression to the general public that he stopped in 2003, which doesn't make any sense.

 

[neineinei]

JV claims Hesjedal confessed "a v long time ago". Obviously that is not true, if he had confessed a v long time ago it wouldn't be outside SOL, and he would have gotten an suspension to sit out.

 

[Benotti69]

JV claims Hesjedal confessed "a v long time ago". Obviously that is not true, if he had confessed a v long time ago it wouldn't be outside SOL, and he would have gotten an suspension to sit out.

JV lying, no way the clean team Garmin presents is PR stick. I dont believe Hesjedal won a GT on bread and water.

 

[Master50]

JV claims Hesjedal confessed "a v long time ago". Obviously that is not true, if he had confessed a v long time ago it wouldn't be outside SOL, and he would have gotten an suspension to sit out.

It is now November and if he confessed in April, that is a long time for a wasp or a fruit fly. More than a lifetime.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Reaction from François Parisien on Ryders "confession": “It makes me sick," and “I don’t believe it all,”

Now Parisien didn't get an extension from Argos (for '14 season), so perhaps he has nothing to lose. Still I'm surprised about the silence from the peloton's "clean" riders.

Where are the voices?

Rest of article on CN: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/francois-parisien-unconvinced-by-hesjedals-doping-confession